Unpopular DB opinions

[garnetjester]

My favorite villain is Freeza, I love how much his character was built in the Namek arc, as opposed to what happened to the other big bad guys from Z who just popped up and wanted to kill everything (I do like Cell and Boo though, I just feel that Freeza was more fleshed out than them)

[TheGreatness25]

From Raditz to Vegeta to Freeza, I really enjoyed that entire backstory. The Artificial Humans thing was a nice throwback to the original Dragon Ball. Majin Boo was just kind of like, "Must think of a villain with a big backstory but somehow has never been mentioned. Got it!"

[ABED]

From Raditz to Vegeta to Freeza, I really enjoyed that entire backstory. The Artificial Humans thing was a nice throwback to the original Dragon Ball. Majin Boo was just kind of like, "Must think of a villain with a big backstory but somehow has never been mentioned. Got it!"

Why would Buu have been mentioned?

[TheGreatness25]

No I know he wouldn't be mentioned, but he was thought up basically on the spot and it shows. Also, the whole thing where they branch out and suddenly it goes from, "Kaio, the greatest being ever," to "Kaio, one of the four greatest beings ever," to "Kaio, one of the four greatest beings under one Grand Kaio," to "Kaio, completely freaking useless because there are Kaioshin." That just seems to be how the story goes. Like really, all this time Midoshi Babidi was just hanging out on Earth trying to revive Boo but it just never happened to work out until that particular time? Why didn't he collect energy from the Cell fight? Little details like that could have been corrected by simply giving an explanation as to why all of the sudden in that convenient moment, that's when everything was happening.

[ABED]

No I know he wouldn't be mentioned, but he was thought up basically on the spot and it shows. Also, the whole thing where they branch out and suddenly it goes from, "Kaio, the greatest being ever," to "Kaio, one of the four greatest beings ever," to "Kaio, one of the four greatest beings under one Grand Kaio," to "Kaio, completely freaking useless because there are Kaioshin." That just seems to be how the story goes. Like really, all this time Midoshi Babidi was just hanging out on Earth trying to revive Boo but it just never happened to work out until that particular time? Why didn't he collect energy from the Cell fight? Little details like that could have been corrected by simply giving an explanation as to why all of the sudden in that convenient moment, that's when everything was happening.

Babidi wasn't on Earth yet during the Cell Games.

[DBZAOTA482]

My favorite is Vegeta (who is also my favorite overall character) with Cell as my second.

I mean, he was an elitist douchebag in every sense of the word. I just love the kind of villain who only assemble a click to make themselves seem intimating yet treats the members like trash. Nappa was even afraid of him. I mean, think about it this big tank is ramming everyone across the wasteland yet he's afraid of this shrimp? Imagine like it's the first time watching/reading Dragon Ball Z! He also manipulates people to bend towards his will (he form an alliance with Gohan and Kuririn so he can dupe them over in the end and use the wish(s) for himself). Not to mention he was a sly muthafuka' (stealing dragon balls under Freeza's nose, and keeping a low-profile while killing off Freeza's ranks and the Namekians). Did I forget to mention that he's the only villain to beat Goku in combat alongside Cell?

Majin Boo is probably my least favorite big bad. Doesn't really cover any territory that other villains haven't, too overpowered, with illogical backstory and abilities, pulls powers out of his ass, and hardly a genuine threat.

[DBZAOTA482]

No I know he wouldn't be mentioned, but he was thought up basically on the spot and it shows. Also, the whole thing where they branch out and suddenly it goes from, "Kaio, the greatest being ever," to "Kaio, one of the four greatest beings ever," to "Kaio, one of the four greatest beings under one Grand Kaio," to "Kaio, completely freaking useless because there are Kaioshin." That just seems to be how the story goes. Like really, all this time Midoshi Babidi was just hanging out on Earth trying to revive Boo but it just never happened to work out until that particular time? Why didn't he collect energy from the Cell fight? Little details like that could have been corrected by simply giving an explanation as to why all of the sudden in that convenient moment, that's when everything was happening.

Babidi wasn't on Earth yet during the Cell Games.

It wasn't expletively stated. For all we know, Kaioshin was probably sitting on his ass all day masturbating to Sukebe porno magazine and only recently discovered that Babidi existed by a coincidence.

[ABED]

Remember that family close to Babidi's ship? If the ship had been there for years, those corpses wouldn't have been fresh.

[Hades]

Kaioshin was asleep at the wheel when Cell attacked the Kaio. He should have treated Cell like it was a mix of Freeza and Majin Buu.

[DBZAOTA482]

Remember that family close to Babidi's ship? If the ship had been there for years, those corpses wouldn't have been fresh.

Ah yes, but you can at least agree Kaioshin is a dumbass and an overall terrible character

[thatdbzguy]

My favorite is Vegeta (who is also my favorite overall character) with Cell as my second.

.......Why?

[RandomGuy96]

Many villains easily beat Goku in combat. Including Buu.

[DBZAOTA482]

Many villains easily beat Goku in combat. Including Buu.

Corrected. The only main villain to beat Goku in combat.

[RandomGuy96]

Buu and Daimao aren't main villains? Heck, Freeza is the odd one out for not beating him.

[Kid Buu]

Piccolo Daimao beat Goku, Ma Junior killed Goku, Vegeta beat Goku, Freeza lost to Goku, Cell killed Goku, Buu beat Goku 1-1.

Yup, Freeza's the odd one out.

Then again, i remember anime filler had Freeza conscious in space while Goku seemed to pass out the instant he landed on Yadarat. Freeza wins!

[RandomGuy96]

Goku still has his legs, his right arm, and half his head.

Goku wins!

Vegeta actually beat Goku twice when you think about it. But then if you count filler, Buu beat him four times, so...

[Pantalones]

Unpopular DB opinions

...or at least "unpopular around here," in some cases. I don't know about "unpopular everywhere." Or maybe some of these aren't exactly unpopular, it's just that the few who disagree happen to be so much louder about it than those who agree. XD

• The humans (or at the very least Tenshinhan and Krillin) got into the low millions by the time the Androids arrived. Even Yamcha was probably at or above 1 million at that point, though probably not by a lot. Chiaotzu... okay, yeah, he's probably not in the millions yet at this point. That's why Tenshinhan didn't bring him along, he wasn't even able to catch up to Yamcha.
• Heat is not a magical thing that inexplicably kills Dragonball characters just like it does ordinary real-life humans even though they've shown that they're more than capable of surviving basically every other force of nature with little difficulty. Some (if not all) ki blasts have intense heat involved, but that's only one part of them and it goes far beyond naturally-occurring levels (and only doesn't burn up everything around it because... it's ki, a force that is not entirely physical in nature. there's more than just the laws of physics as we know them involved, you can't just go "BUT, BUT... SCIENCE! REAL LIFE! BLUH!!!" when you're talking about a supernatural force that is composed of things like "youthful energy" and "being in one's right mind"), at least once you get past a certain point in the series. The last time that naturally-occurring-on-Earth levels of heat alone (like from lava) would've been something seriously dangerous to any of the main fighters was before Freeza. Once we get into Super Saiyan levels of power and beyond, even the most extreme heat sources that anyone has a chance of getting near (like nukes--though the radiation may still be an issue--and the sun) would be easily survivable, the only problem is that most of the cast needs air to live so they'd only be able to survive "sun-level heat directed toward them while they're in a place that they can breathe" rather than actually being thrown into the sun. GT is just inconsistent; treating "I'm as hot as the surface of the sun" as a serious threat to any form of GT's massively overpowered Goku (let alone SSj4 Goku) falls into the same category as all the "whoops, guess I forgot how to fly for a couple episodes there" stuff from some of the earlier parts of that series.
• The Kikuchi soundtrack is massively overrated. It was fine in Dragonball, and there are some moments in Z when it doesn't seem too horribly out of place... but for the most part, when the series shifted away from "goofy martial arts" and more toward the sorta-sci-fi feel that DBZ has (with all the aliens and androids and genetically-engineered monsters and space/time travel and all that) it just doesn't seem to work very well anymore. It's not unbearable, but I'd rather have the Faulconer DBZ soundtrack or Yamamoto's Kai soundtrack any day.
• Also overrated: Goku's Japanese voice. Not because he "sounds like a girl" like so many people on the Internet have said, because... well, Goku in Japanese doesn't really sound like a girl to me at all. He doesn't sound like a girl, he just sounds like some freak of nature with a cartoonishly high-pitched squeaky voice. I think it's hilarious that people mock the Funimation dub for giving some of its characters cartoonish exaggerated voices but then put Goku's Japanese voice up on some greatest-thing-ever pedestal. That said, it's not so bad as to be unbearable (and I don't mind it in things like video games so much), and I think there are actually a few Japanese voices that I like less than Goku's so it's not even my least-favorite voice or anything... I'd just prefer to hear a different voice coming out of him (and the entire males-not-named-Raditz population of his family) if possible.
• Since Androids #17 and #18 are still mostly biological, they can become stronger by training if they put forth enough effort. Since they were just ordinary people with no knowledge of ki or fighting before their transformation, though, it would be very difficult at first. I assume #18 has at least gotten a tiny bit stronger, since we know she's been learning stuff from Krillin (she uses the Kienzan after all, and Krillin's the only Kienzan user we know she's interacted with much.)
• Kid Goten and Trunks are not close to Gohan in power. Not even slacked-off-for-7-years Gohan. It shows in their sparring; Goten's amazed by Gohan and can barely even touch him. Gohan was never the most skilled fighter in the first place and he's been slacking for 7 years at the time so he's rusty even compared to his previous state, so it's not just a massive skill gap; Goten is legitimately much weaker than Gohan even when Gohan's not being super serious. His comment about Goten possibly overtaking him soon is in reference to how absurdly strong the kid is for a 7-year-old who's never done any serious training (compare to the level of strength Gohan himself had at that age, after actually training some) and wondering how much stronger he'll get if his power keeps rising at the same rate (or faster, since he had started to actually train a bit at that point.) It's just kind of crazy that people take one off-hand statement in the Daizenshuu about how the kids compare to Gohan as fact but ignore what's actually shown in the series; I'm not saying the Daizenshuu are crap and should be thrown out entirely or anything, but shouldn't it be more like "if actual manga/anime conflicts with guides written after the fact, actual manga/anime wins" rather than the other way around??
• Along the same lines... Goten and Trunks individually are not more powerful than Piccolo. Not even in Super Saiyan. We know Buu's appearance shifts based on the strongest he's absorbed, and the moment Gotenks defused he instantly went to Piccolo clothes. I guess that could just be saying that their base forms are weaker than Piccolo (which is a given), but still. It just seems extremely unlikely that the same kids who don't even seem like a threat to Android 18 until they go Super Saiyan (and even then it seems like only their ki blasts are enough to worry her) would magically be stronger than a version of Piccolo who was at least close to Cell Games-era Super Saiyan Vegeta and Trunks.
• Though censorship, name changes, and stuff like "MONDO COOL!" are annoying (...and sometimes hilarious, depending on how you look at it), the original Japanese version is not some sacred thing that cannot and must not ever be changed even in the slightest. Sometimes, the Funimation dub's changes actually improve things. For example: Cell's regeneration being explained as "if even one cell survives I can regenerate" rather than the whole "I have this bit in my head and can regenerate if it survives" thing... and then he loses his entire upper body. Also, not using "human" to refer to characters who are clearly not humans (though I suspect that's more of a language quirk than an intentional decision to label half the universe as some bizarre offshoot of Homo sapiens... sort of like a reversed version of how some humans tend to say "people" when they mean "humans," sometimes even when talking about a series where other intelligent lifeforms who would qualify as people are present.) Similarly (but much less important), there's a scene with Videl and Chi-Chi in the Hirudegarn movie. Japanese version: just kind of incoherent (at least based on the subtitles I saw on the DVD I had) and feels like bad filler where they I guess sort of attempted a joke and it fell flat so hard that it smashed through the floor. Funimation version: they're talking about stuff that's happened recently and Videl is freaked out by the fact that little Trunks has run off to hang out with the mysterious alien they know nothing about.

[Gutsxgoku]

One of the first things that comes to mind is how much I hate the Kikuchi score in DBZ... HOWEVER, I love it in Dragon Ball. It's like he just didn't realize what kind of show it was... Whether I watch it dubbed or subbed, the music never fit for me. Unfortunately I am not a huge fan of the Faulcner score either I just find it to be the lesser of two evils but I thank god every day that they kept the Kikuchi score on the dub of Dragon Ball. I guess another unpopular opinion of mine around here at least would be my opnions on dub vs sub. The gist of it is is that I can watch both but, because DBZ is an "action" anime, I like to get the hard hitting sound of mountains being destroyed along with the lighting fast kicks/punches. I can't get that with the mono Japanese track. However with the dub, I can have true HD sound and make good use of my speakers. I still watch both sub and dub but when it comes to overall enjoyment of the show I prefer the sound on the Dubbed versions.. I can never have it all..

[Kid Buu]

[*] Also overrated: Goku's Japanese voice. Not because he "sounds like a girl" like so many people on the Internet have said, because... well, Goku in Japanese doesn't really sound like a girl to me at all. He doesn't sound like a girl, he just sounds like some freak of nature with a cartoonishly high-pitched squeaky voice. I think it's hilarious that people mock the Funimation dub for giving some of its characters cartoonish exaggerated voices but then put Goku's Japanese voice up on some greatest-thing-ever pedestal. That said, it's not so bad as to be unbearable (and I don't mind it in things like video games so much), and I think there are actually a few Japanese voices that I like less than Goku's so it's not even my least-favorite voice or anything... I'd just prefer to hear a different voice coming out of him (and the entire males-not-named-Raditz population of his family) if possible.

I agree that Nozawa is overrated as Goku. She's good, but I think Cell/Vegeta/Yamcha have the best VA's in Toei's version.

[MediaFanGirl93]

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