Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
90sDBZ wrote:I don't think it's the type of story that should be too deep. I like it to be dark and intense sometimes but there's no need for it to be making some sort of deep and profound statement other than "Never give in". The King Piccolo saga did dark very well. It was pretty damn dark without getting up its own ass with melodrama. It was just as dark as Dragonball should ever be. Any darker than that and the show would lose it's charm and simplicity.
Hear, hear!
it's deep in a "hey the guys your playing as are dead, but you didn't hear it from us" kind of way.
Wait, what?
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it's deep in a "hey the guys your playing as are dead, but you didn't hear it from us" kind of way.
Wait, what?
Yeah sorry, I wasn't very clear on what I meant by that. What I'm trying to say is that the game is deep but not to the extent that others might have you believe, for instance sneaking in references to death without outright saying it. But that's as far as it goes.
I changed my mind. I don't want it to be deep. I love it's simplicity! A lot of shows it wouldn't work for, and that's fine, because I don't only watch one thing. I deal with a lot of drama in my life and when I'm analyzing things, I'm far more interested in politics and religion. This is just fiction, so it's just supposed to entertain you. If it benefits you even more than that, that's awesome! Personally, my favorite genres of fiction are psychological horror and thrillers, but I know people that can't stand them and would rather watch drama-less action movies. That bores the heck out of me, but to each their own. Before my health got a lot worse, I never watched TV or movies, and the only way I would, was when I took a break to watch the Simpsons, and even then I was working out, while watching. If you aren't getting anything out of it, why waste your life away focusing on something that has no benefit on your life or society? Either focus on something that makes you happy, or try to help others to be happy. Unless you make a career out of it, it doesn't make you more intelligent, mature, or a better person. All it proves is that you can sit in front of a TV or computer screen, which an infant or even a rock could do. Maybe if you wrote it, it would be a different story.
90sDBZ wrote:I don't think it's the type of story that should be too deep. I like it to be dark and intense sometimes but there's no need for it to be making some sort of deep and profound statement other than "Never give in". The King Piccolo saga did dark very well. It was pretty damn dark without getting up its own ass with melodrama. It was just as dark as Dragonball should ever be. Any darker than that and the show would lose it's charm and simplicity.
Yes Yes Yes!
thatdbzguy wrote:DBZ is cop-out central. It baffles me how some people are arguing against that.
People have different opinions. That's the way the world is.
By the way, you never did reply to my second response to you, did you?
TheGmGoken wrote:
So..."Mature" fans hate Cell Arc eh?
garnetjester wrote:I'm 26 and I like Cell. Actually the Cell Games are my favorite part of Z in the manga.
Likely due to some nostalgic attachment to the Cell arc.
So anything that people like about DBZ is because of nostalgia? Anything that's their favorite is nostalgia? I like Goten. Is it nostalgia? Despite the fact that many have said this you still claim that it's nostalgic.
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baneofdemon22 wrote:
I'm one of those who haven't seen it until recently. I just watched it for the first time last year, and I think it's one of the greatest shows of all time. I don't like speaking in absolutes of "it is the best" or "it's bad", because I find it arrogant. It's the only anime I like. There's been some that started off really good, but they got way too cheesy, convoluted, and pretentious to me. And I wouldn't say they're awful, because they all were not. Somethings that are good to me that are bad to others, and no one is wrong. It's art, and a lot of art isn't for everyone. I'm gone to the Detroit Institute of Art so many times, and it blows my mind how a lot of things got in there, but some reason those pieces, struck a lot of people. And I think that's a good thing, because it makes us who we are. Also, I don't need more vices! This is just entertainment, and there's a lot more things in life than competing over trivial things. Unless, you make a career out of it, or do something productive with it. I think Dragon Ball Z is a phenomenal series and it's characters have been very inspirational for me. It actually has helped and continues to help me be a better and stronger person. I'm a huge movie buff and have seen about 1000 movies, yet I can't think of one that influenced my lifestyle. Fight Club, my favorite movie, got me to reevaluate certain aspects in my life, but didn't change a single thing about me.
Seriously. Maybe people don't like deep stories. Ever thought of that? Or maybe they enjoy simple stories better. I've seen some hate for DBZ but I've seen hate FOR EVERYTHING ON THIS PLANET. . What makes DBZ so special. Of course it got people who dislike it. That's how things work. Not everyone likes the same stuff. The fact you're ashamed of liking DBZ is worst than just plain out hating it. The reason behind it("Not everyone likes it". "I've seen people who hate it") is honestly and I mean this with all due respect stupid. You basically ashamed because everyone got an opinion.
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Maybe it's better like this,we are still greedy and hungry for DragonBall after all this years.
Example = Naruto, Naruto is giving so mutch there is not really mutch to injoy when the serie's end.
TheGmGoken wrote:
So anything that people like about DBZ is because of nostalgia? Anything that's their favorite is nostalgia? I like Goten. Is it nostalgia? Despite the fact that many have said this you still claim that it's nostalgic.
baneofdemon22 wrote:
I'm one of those who haven't seen it until recently. I just watched it for the first time last year, and I think it's one of the greatest shows of all time. I don't like speaking in absolutes of "it is the best" or "it's bad", because I find it arrogant. It's the only anime I like. There's been some that started off really good, but they got way too cheesy, convoluted, and pretentious to me. And I wouldn't say they're awful, because they all were not. Somethings that are good to me that are bad to others, and no one is wrong. It's art, and a lot of art isn't for everyone. I'm gone to the Detroit Institute of Art so many times, and it blows my mind how a lot of things got in there, but some reason those pieces, struck a lot of people. And I think that's a good thing, because it makes us who we are. Also, I don't need more vices! This is just entertainment, and there's a lot more things in life than competing over trivial things. Unless, you make a career out of it, or do something productive with it. I think Dragon Ball Z is a phenomenal series and it's characters have been very inspirational for me. It actually has helped and continues to help me be a better and stronger person. I'm a huge movie buff and have seen about 1000 movies, yet I can't think of one that influenced my lifestyle. Fight Club, my favorite movie, got me to reevaluate certain aspects in my life, but didn't change a single thing about me.
Seriously. Maybe people don't like deep stories. Ever thought of that? Or maybe they enjoy simple stories better. I've seen some hate for DBZ but I've seen hate FOR EVERYTHING ON THIS PLANET. . What makes DBZ so special. Of course it got people who dislike it. That's how things work. Not everyone likes the same stuff. The fact you're ashamed of liking DBZ is worst than just plain out hating it. The reason behind it("Not everyone likes it". "I've seen people who hate it") is honestly and I mean this with all due respect stupid. You basically ashamed because everyone got an opinion.
Yeah, baneofdemon22, you really need to stop being ashamed of liking DBZ.
Khalid Shahin wrote:
Dragon Soul Funimation Lyrics wrote:Nothing ever dies; we will rise again!
TheGmGoken wrote:
So anything that people like about DBZ is because of nostalgia? Anything that's their favorite is nostalgia? I like Goten. Is it nostalgia? Despite the fact that many have said this you still claim that it's nostalgic.
baneofdemon22 wrote:
I'm one of those who haven't seen it until recently. I just watched it for the first time last year, and I think it's one of the greatest shows of all time. I don't like speaking in absolutes of "it is the best" or "it's bad", because I find it arrogant. It's the only anime I like. There's been some that started off really good, but they got way too cheesy, convoluted, and pretentious to me. And I wouldn't say they're awful, because they all were not. Somethings that are good to me that are bad to others, and no one is wrong. It's art, and a lot of art isn't for everyone. I'm gone to the Detroit Institute of Art so many times, and it blows my mind how a lot of things got in there, but some reason those pieces, struck a lot of people. And I think that's a good thing, because it makes us who we are. Also, I don't need more vices! This is just entertainment, and there's a lot more things in life than competing over trivial things. Unless, you make a career out of it, or do something productive with it. I think Dragon Ball Z is a phenomenal series and it's characters have been very inspirational for me. It actually has helped and continues to help me be a better and stronger person. I'm a huge movie buff and have seen about 1000 movies, yet I can't think of one that influenced my lifestyle. Fight Club, my favorite movie, got me to reevaluate certain aspects in my life, but didn't change a single thing about me.
Seriously. Maybe people don't like deep stories. Ever thought of that? Or maybe they enjoy simple stories better. I've seen some hate for DBZ but I've seen hate FOR EVERYTHING ON THIS PLANET. . What makes DBZ so special. Of course it got people who dislike it. That's how things work. Not everyone likes the same stuff. The fact you're ashamed of liking DBZ is worst than just plain out hating it. The reason behind it("Not everyone likes it". "I've seen people who hate it") is honestly and I mean this with all due respect stupid. You basically ashamed because everyone got an opinion.
Yeah, baneofdemon22, you really need to stop being ashamed of liking DBZ.
Umm...I quoted Baneofdemon22 inside my quote within you. Obviously STILL talking to you. I mean it still matches the context of what I was talking to you about. As I said when you get comments like this "Quote starts here". Then after the "Quote" ends I continue the sentence. If it makes it easier for you to read then I'll just put the quote on the spoiler tab. Though it's possible that you just didn't have a valid responds.
Thatdbzguy, I actually read the manga and watched the Cell Games only last year. I have no idea of why I have absolutely no recollection of it as a child, but I guess I missed those episodes when I was a kid (and trust me, I would remember because I'm a Gohan fan first and foremost). I didn't think Gohan was OOC at all during them and I liked how much tension there was in the whole arc and how Goku is called out for being a jerk I think it's the part in the whole series that digs a bit deeper into the character's personalities, flaws and worldviews, excluding Vegeta's endless monologue in the Kid Buu vs. SSJ3 Goku fight.
I guess we'll never see each other eye to eye, I mean, I don't think DB is objectively the BEST anime and manga in the world, and I'm aware that it has a lot of wonky moments, but it's my absolute favorite. I say if you like something then just go and like it, who cares what everyone else thinks about it? I just can't understand why you seem to hate the fact that you like DBZ, because nobody is forcing you to like it, and you don't owe it to others to give a long-winded explanation on why you like the things you do.
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TheGmGoken wrote:Umm...I quoted Baneofdemon22 inside my quote within you. Obviously STILL talking to you. I mean it still matches the context of what I was talking to you about. As I said when you get comments like this "Quote starts here". Then after the "Quote" ends I continue the sentence. If it makes it easier for you to read then I'll just put the quote on the spoiler tab. Though it's possible that you just didn't have a valid responds.
What exactly am I supposed to say? You think being ashamed of liking DBZ is stupid. Okay, great. Am I supposed to refute that, or what?
Khalid Shahin wrote:
Dragon Soul Funimation Lyrics wrote:Nothing ever dies; we will rise again!
TheGmGoken wrote:Umm...I quoted Baneofdemon22 inside my quote within you. Obviously STILL talking to you. I mean it still matches the context of what I was talking to you about. As I said when you get comments like this "Quote starts here". Then after the "Quote" ends I continue the sentence. If it makes it easier for you to read then I'll just put the quote on the spoiler tab. Though it's possible that you just didn't have a valid responds.
What exactly am I supposed to say? You think being ashamed of liking DBZ is stupid. Okay, great. Am I supposed to refute that, or what?
I said more things than that. I touched two only subjects besides on you being ashamed on liking DBZ.
Nostalgia:
So anything that people like about DBZ is because of nostalgia? Anything that's their favorite is nostalgia? I like Goten. Is it nostalgia? Despite the fact that many have said this you still claim that it's nostalgic.
Deeper Story:
Seriously. Maybe people don't like deep stories. Ever thought of that? Or maybe they enjoy simple stories better.
TheGmGoken wrote:Umm...I quoted Baneofdemon22 inside my quote within you. Obviously STILL talking to you. I mean it still matches the context of what I was talking to you about. As I said when you get comments like this "Quote starts here". Then after the "Quote" ends I continue the sentence. If it makes it easier for you to read then I'll just put the quote on the spoiler tab. Though it's possible that you just didn't have a valid responds.
What exactly am I supposed to say? You think being ashamed of liking DBZ is stupid. Okay, great. Am I supposed to refute that, or what?
That's kind of the point on a forum. You defend your position. Otherwise, you're just some guy whining on the internet. Provide logical, well-thought out arguments if you want to be taken seriously.
The only reason I can see anyone liking the Cell saga is for nostalgia. Either that, or they have no sense of what makes quality stories.
There is absolutely no good reason why anyone would prefer their stories to have less depth to them.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
That's kind of the point on a forum. You defend your position. Otherwise, you're just some guy whining on the internet. Provide logical, well-thought out arguments if you want to be taken seriously.
Except that I can't provide "logical, well-thought out arguments" when all someone does is state whether they like something or not, and not why.
Khalid Shahin wrote:
Dragon Soul Funimation Lyrics wrote:Nothing ever dies; we will rise again!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
That's kind of the point on a forum. You defend your position. Otherwise, you're just some guy whining on the internet. Provide logical, well-thought out arguments if you want to be taken seriously.
Except that I can't provide "logical, well-thought out arguments" when all someone does is state whether they like something or not, and not why.
He said that it's stupid to be ashamed of liking DBZ. If you disagree, tell him why. It's not that difficult.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
That's kind of the point on a forum. You defend your position. Otherwise, you're just some guy whining on the internet. Provide logical, well-thought out arguments if you want to be taken seriously.
Except that I can't provide "logical, well-thought out arguments" when all someone does is state whether they like something or not, and not why.
He said that it's stupid to be ashamed of liking DBZ. If you disagree, tell him why. It's not that difficult.
Why? He's not wrong.
Khalid Shahin wrote:
Dragon Soul Funimation Lyrics wrote:Nothing ever dies; we will rise again!
So, all the nonsense you've been spewing for the last couple of months is wrong then, and the point of view you've been promoting has no merit? Because that's what you're saying now. You're always going on about how you're ashamed of liking DBZ, and now you're agreeing that it's stupid to think that way.
So, all the nonsense you've been spewing for the last couple of months is wrong then, and the point of view you've been promoting has no merit? Because that's what you're saying now. You're always going on about how you're ashamed of liking DBZ, and now you're agreeing that it's stupid to think that way.
We, as a community, did try pretty hard to change his viewpoint on that. I see it less as hypocrisy and more a Dragonball-style change-of-heart.
thatdbzguy wrote:There is absolutely no good reason why anyone would prefer their stories to have less depth to them.
Prefer it to what? What you see in DB is what you get. It doesn't have "less depth" than anything I could feasibly compare it to. It stands by itself and you work with that; it can't have "less depth" than whatever "depth" is presented.
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