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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:56 am

Tzigi wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote: Yea Saligir should most likely used a dictionary for that line.
1. It's Salagir.
2. Don't judge others by your standards. Omnipresent isn't such an uncommon word for an educated person to need to consult a dictionary in order to use it in a text.
3. What's the problem with Freeza's power being everywhere? It's so huge that they feel surrounded by it.
1. Sorry I was texting right before I comment. Was in a rush.

2. Wow someone took it WAAAAAAAAAAY to seriously. It wasn't mean to be an insult nor to bash him. It based on a post saying "He doesn't know the word even in his own language". You don't need to get a lecture over something that isn't serious. Every makes mistakes. WE'RE human. We're just saying that omnipresent isn't exactly the right word for it. My first language isn't English just like Salagir(However you spell it). So I made similar mistakes. Not a big deal.


3. For one it doesn't even sound like a word a DB character would say. Omnipresent isn't "everywhere". Well it is but in a different sense than in the content used in the series. Omnipresent is like saying "God is everywhere" or to be more DB related no matter dead or alive Goku soul is everywhere I go. He's always watching Gohan(Movies and Anime only). Freeza ki is just like every strong ki felt in the series. It's huge or "The largest power ever felt". Not Omnipresent. Now if Freeza kills everyone BUT Gohan and Gohan is scared for life. Then Freeza is Omnipresent as he's everywhere Gohan goes. TFS Nappa is Omnipresent as he there with Vegeta. But most of all just doesn't sound like something a DB character would ever say.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:12 am

Tzigi wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote: Yea Saligir should most likely used a dictionary for that line.
1. It's Salagir.
2. Don't judge others by your standards. Omnipresent isn't such an uncommon word for an educated person to need to consult a dictionary in order to use it in a text.
3. What's the problem with Freeza's power being everywhere? It's so huge that they feel surrounded by it.
"It's so huge that they feel surrounded by it" is not the same thing as being omnipresent.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:54 am

Marco Polo wrote: It's the same word in French. So basically Saligir doesn't know what "omniprésent" means even in French.
Its called an hyperbole.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:25 am

rereboy wrote:
Marco Polo wrote: It's the same word in French. So basically Saligir doesn't know what "omniprésent" means even in French.
Its called an hyperbole.
Nope. Not even close. TheGmGoken said it best:
Omnipresent is like saying "God is everywhere" or to be more DB related no matter dead or alive Goku soul is everywhere I go. He's always watching Gohan(Movies and Anime only).
It's not a matter of intensity, so it's not a hyperbole. It simply isn't the right notion.

It's the same reason you can say "a powerful computer" but not "a strong computer", even though one might think "powerful" and "strong" are similar words.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:54 am

"Hyperbole is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally." in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

There is no point in trying to argue what omnipresent literally means when its not meant to be taken literally. The line is just saying that Freeza's power feels like its everywhere, because its big and powerful. And obviously, it was meant to "evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression" like hyperboles are meant to.

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Post by Rocketman » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:18 pm

It's not exaggeration if it's the wrong word.

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Post by rereboy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:23 pm

Rocketman wrote:It's not exaggeration if it's the wrong word.
Being the "wrong" word just means that the literal meaning of the word used doesn't fit. And when something is not used in its literal sense on purpose, all that matters is that it conveys the idea, the feeling, that the author wanted to pass on to the reader. That is an essential part of an hyperbole.

In this case we, the readers, got the idea that the author and the character wanted to transmit to us: the idea that Freeza's Ki feels like its everywhere, due either to its scale and/or its power.

Nail could have just said something like "this Ki... Its so powerful it feels like its everywhere!", but the author just felt like using a figure of speech that transmits the same basic idea instead.

I believe this is fairly easy to grasp. I do not know why this even turned into a discussion.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Mystic Buu » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:00 pm

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:01 pm

I wish this special can be done and over with.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:10 pm

Rocketman wrote:It's not exaggeration if it's the wrong word.
This. You can't exaggerate the wrong concept. Again, it's like saying "a strong computer".

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:19 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
Rocketman wrote:It's not exaggeration if it's the wrong word.
This. You can't exaggerate the wrong concept. Again, it's like saying "a strong computer".
You are interpreting it simply as a matter of intensity and nothing else, but that's not exactly what Nail and the author meant. Nail is saying that he feels surrounded by that Ki, that its so great that involves him, that its like there's not a inch of that place not tainted by his Ki, touched by it, like it was present in every particle of air.

That's the idea that the author wanted to transmit by having Nail say its omnipresent, even it isn't literally omnipresent.

As far as I'm concerned, the author succeeded in transmitting that idea to the reader through the use of the term "omnipresent" as a hyperbole and there was nothing wrong about its use.

Like I said, I do not know why this even turned into a discussion since I think it was easy enough to understand.

Almost all of the books I read are harder to understand than that and have more complicated uses of rhetorical devices and figures of speech. And I'm not even that big of a book reader, nor are the books I usually read that complicated.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Mystic Buu » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:24 pm

This special is over in 12 pages(or less).Bulma's whole plan,Ginyu Force,Goku and Freeza transforming into final form in 12 pages...for me,impossible mission.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:30 pm

Maybe if they hadn't wasted so much time on the Zarbon fight, we might be getting something worthwhile. But we're almost certainly going to get ANOTHER U8 special to explain the actually interesting stuff. Even then, most of it will likely be ignored.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Fionordequester » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:38 pm

Personally, I too didn't see anything nonsensical about "omnipresent", though I do think it's a poor word to use simply because it's not something that I think your average joe would get. I would've gone with something like...

"This...this ki...it's like the air itself is radiating with it!"
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheOverlyMadHatter » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:37 am

Hm, while I personally don't mind the term "Omnipresent", despite it sounding jerky, I feel a term like "Otherworldly" or something along that line would have done a much finer job of describing Freeza's power.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by mAcChaos » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:42 am

I always imagine as a ki radiating out from the person's body. The more powerful it is, the farther it goes, like light from a light bulb.

So with Freeza I just imagine his power being so great that it's practically over the entire area they're at, sensing wise.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:26 am

TheOverlyMadHatter wrote:Hm, while I personally don't mind the term "Omnipresent", despite it sounding jerky, I feel a term like "Otherworldly" or something along that line would have done a much finer job of describing Freeza's power.
That would transmit a different idea than the idea the author wanted to transmit.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Mystic Buu » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:01 pm

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I have a feeling that Freeza won't play around with Nail.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by coola » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:36 pm

"Outch"? Other than that, good page, stil, Ginyu Force should arrive soon, so even if Gohan manage to steal Freeza balls, he won`t keep them too long.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:48 pm

OUTCH! :D
I do appreciate some of these exclamations and sound effects.

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