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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by dbboxkaifan » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:50 pm

ABED wrote:Yes, all children have high pitched vocals. 4 and 5 year olds have high pitched voices, that's just a fact. I don't even know how this is up for debate.

You find her annoying, but why? Her voice is way less raspy and irritating than Nadolny's Gohan and Goku.
My nephews didn't have a high pitched voice so that "fact" goes out the window for you.

Colleen's voice isn't raspy as is Stephanie's but if people's ears could bleed (it's possible) they would thanks to the irritative high-pitched vocal Colleen gave to Gohan. If FUNimation's smart they'll never cast her again for Gohan or any other Dragon Ball character.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:27 pm

B wrote:She's arguably worse, to me... What was the last game they used her in? Did the Kai recasts all kick in around Raging Blast?
It kicked in by the time of Tenkaichi Tag Team/Tag V.S.
ABED wrote:You find her annoying, but why? Her voice is way less raspy and irritating than Nadolny's Gohan and Goku.
Which isn't saying much. That's like saying being kicked in the face with hard shoes is better than being kicked in the face with hard shoes while being shat on.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by Freeza Soldier #156 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:28 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote: My nephews didn't have a high pitched voice so that "fact" goes out the window for you.
Not really. While the pitch of a child's voice will vary from one individual to another, it is a biological fact that children have higher pitched voices. This is due to their small, still-developing larynx (voice box) and their shorter and thinner vocal cords. When a child hits puberty their larynx becomes larger and their vocal cords elongate and thicken, causing a deepening of their voice. Gohan's voice from the Saiyan arc to the Cell Games is perfectly natural for a child his age. By the time we get to the Cell Games, Gohan is what, 9, maybe 10? While his voice will have continued to deepen slightly due to the continued development of the larynx and vocal cords, he still has a few more years before puberty sets in, therefore, it's still perfectly natural for him to have a higher pitched voice. I think Colleen Clinkenbeard did a great job giving Gohan a natural sounding voice. Stephanie Nadolny on the other hand, not so much.

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Post by ABED » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:38 pm

Which isn't saying much. That's like saying being kicked in the face with hard shoes is better than being kicked in the face with hard shoes while being shat on.
To you, but I'm a fan of Colleen's work as Gohan, so no, it's not like saying that AT ALL. Sure, it's a tad feminine but unless you get a male child, it's always gonna sound a little feminine.
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dbboxkaifan wrote: My nephews didn't have a high pitched voice so that "fact" goes out the window for you.
Not really. While the pitch of a child's voice will vary from one individual to another, it is a biological fact that children have higher pitched voices. This is due to their small, still-developing larynx (voice box) and their shorter and thinner vocal cords. When a child hits puberty their larynx becomes larger and their vocal cords elongate and thicken, causing a deepening of their voice. Gohan's voice from the Saiyan arc to the Cell Games is perfectly natural for a child his age. By the time we get to the Cell Games, Gohan is what, 9, maybe 10? While his voice will have continued to deepen slightly due to the continued development of the larynx and vocal cords, he still has a few more years before puberty sets in, therefore, it's still perfectly natural for him to have a higher pitched voice. I think Colleen Clinkenbeard did a great job giving Gohan a natural sounding voice. Stephanie Nadolny on the other hand, not so much.
Thank you. I don't know how someone could deny this basic biological fact.
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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:53 pm

ABED wrote:To you, but I'm a fan of Colleen's work as Gohan, so no, it's not like saying that AT ALL. Sure, it's a tad feminine but unless you get a male child, it's always gonna sound a little feminine.
I know males around his age that aren't all that high-pitched. Besides, my issue isn't that it's high-pitched it just sounds... well, very whiny but then again Gohan himself is kinda whiny since he raised to be bitch-made.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

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ABED wrote:To you, but I'm a fan of Colleen's work as Gohan, so no, it's not like saying that AT ALL. Sure, it's a tad feminine but unless you get a male child, it's always gonna sound a little feminine.
I know males around his age that aren't all that high-pitched. Besides, my issue isn't that it's high-pitched it just sounds... well, very whiny but then again Gohan himself is kinda whiny since he raised to be bitch-made.
Colleen isn't playing it any different than as written.
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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by WittyUsername » Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:24 pm

I dont understand the basis of this argument that Clinkenbeard's Gohan sounds more "age appropriate." Neither Nadolny nor Clinkenbeard make Gohan sound like a realistic little boy. The only way Gohan could sound like an actual little boy was if he was voiced by one.

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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:40 pm

WittyUsername wrote:The only way Gohan could sound like an actual little boy was if he was voiced by one.
Which actually was the case in the German dub.

I suppose I fall into a relatively uncommon camp over in Kanzenshuu in that I was happy with both Clinkenbeard's and Nadolny's performances. They both brought different things to the character, and I felt that it worked in either case.

However, sometimes I wonder if it would be such a bad thing if FUNimation cast an actual kid to play Gohan. I can totally understand why they wouldn't, of course. Talented kid voice actors aren't especially common, and matching the lip movements can be a rather tough thing even for adults to do, let alone kids. I would cite Aaron Dismuke's performance in Fullmetal Alchemist as an example of a great performance from a child voice actor, but his character was mostly a giant piece of armor (save a few flashback scenes), without moving lips to worry about. On top of that, when a kid's voice gets too deep, they have to be re-cast, meaning that FUNimation would likely have to keep perpetually re-casting Gohan if they went the route of casting an actual kid.

Still......I can't help but wonder how it would have turned out if they got an actual kid for Gohan.......it's interesting to think about.
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TheBlackPaladin wrote:On top of that, when a kid's voice gets too deep, they have to be re-cast, meaning that FUNimation would likely have to keep perpetually re-casting Gohan if they went the route of casting an actual kid.
I would venture a guess at that being the main reason they didn't and probably never would use an actual kid for the role, more so than anything else. With FMA, at the time of the first series when they cast Dismuke, there was really no reason to think that we would ever get anything else beyond that and it's follow-up movie. So using Dismuke, an actual child, was actually a really neat idea at the time, and man did it work. But then when Brotherhood came along, followed by another movie of it's own, that showed that FMA very well could come back again if the time and money was right, so when they had to re-cast Alphonse, they chose a woman (who happens to sound a LOT like Dismuke, ironically) this time instead of using another actual little boy.

Now you go over to DBZ, pretty much the most evergreen of titles imaginable, which is almost always getting some new video game coming out at least. Honestly, they'd be spending way too much money having to find a new kid every time they did a new movie (something the Land Before Time franchise ran into a lot from what I understand), so I can see why they probably never even considered it.

(Hope that doesn't come off like I'm lambasting you for it, cuz I agree, it's a really cool thing to consider how it may have turned out if they had done it that way. I was just going more in-depth as to why they probably would never even think of such a thing for DBZ, even though they've done it in the past for many of Dismuke's early roles. ^_^; )
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How do you think Maxey would have done as Gohan instead of Colleen?
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Post by ABED » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:00 pm

The reaction to Colleen Clinkenbeard's casting has been pretty positive but what I imagine is a small vocal minority reacts the same way whenever any cast changes are made, like whenever someone new is cast as James Bond.
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KentalSSJ6 wrote:How do you think Maxey would have done as Gohan instead of Colleen?
Hmm...hard to say. I really like her Alphonse and Chrona (and though this isn't a boy role, she also did great in Princess Jellyfish), but...I'unno. I'm used to her having a really light voice, I dunno how well she could have handled the pure rage moments that Gohan would have had.

That and I like Maxey's Dende, and dunno who else they could have gotten there if she had already been Gohan.
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:16 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:(Hope that doesn't come off like I'm lambasting you for it, cuz I agree, it's a really cool thing to consider how it may have turned out if they had done it that way. I was just going more in-depth as to why they probably would never even think of such a thing for DBZ, even though they've done it in the past for many of Dismuke's early roles. ^_^; )
Oh, pfft, not at all (as in it doesn't come across as you lambasting me). I agree 100%. I also remember Vic Mignogna saying in an interview that, if FUNimation had known there was going to be a Brotherhood down the line, Dismuke probably never would have been cast to begin with for the exact reason that you mentioned. From what I've heard, even during the casting of the original Fullmetal Alchemist, casting a kid was risky enough that they auditioned female actresses anyway just in case.

Even in the German dub of DBZ, it had consequences. They brought back Gohan's kid voice actor for the movies, and for the later movies, he no longer sounded like a kid at all...but rather, that awkward phase of puberty where your voice has kinda changed but kinda not, and breaks all the time.
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TheBlackPaladin wrote:that awkward phase of puberty where your voice has kinda changed but kinda not, and breaks all the time.
Don't remind me :(
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TheBlackPaladin wrote:that awkward phase of puberty where your voice has kinda changed but kinda not, and breaks all the time.
Don't remind me :(
That also happened a lot with Dismuke's Al in Conquerer of Shamballa too.

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TheBlackPaladin wrote:Even in the German dub of DBZ, it had consequences. They brought back Gohan's kid voice actor for the movies, and for the later movies, he no longer sounded like a kid at all...but rather, that awkward phase of puberty where your voice has kinda changed but kinda not, and breaks all the time.
That sounds almost kind of like what happened with Dismuke in the first FMA movie, though thankfully most of the parts where his voice starts to break is in the really emotional scenes where his voice would have naturally been doing some of that anyway (that and the character itself aged, so it kinda worked out nicely all the way around).
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TheBlackPaladin wrote:that awkward phase of puberty where your voice has kinda changed but kinda not, and breaks all the time.
Don't remind me :(
Heh, at least a lot of people come out of that with a deep voice. My voice is still fairly high pitched at times (think Sonny Strait, actually, minus the talent and plus an occasional lisp). I've even had telemarketers call me "ma'am". :lolno:
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:30 pm

I'm in my mid twenties and my voice still cracks from time to time. I hate it but seems my wife and son just LOVE it.

Anyway, I think Aaron could do Gohan, even the Buu saga Gohan, considering he plays Hoenheim in FMA Brotherhood (when we see him talking to The Dwarf In The Flask). He might have been able to do Kid Gohan as well, not sure how much he can control his voice range like say...Brina Palencia can but if he could, I could see him doing both Gohans.
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Post by penguintruth » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:25 pm

Because I've been working on my new voice charts, and thus constructing comparison videos for the voices, I've exposed myself to even more of Clinkenbeard's Gohan, and if I didn't already love it (I did), I love it even more now.

The evolution of the voice is just brilliant. Just listen to Gohan introducing himself to Bulma and the gang on Kame Island in episode 1, fast forward to the battle with the Saiyans, then Namek, then the Cell Games. Clinkenbeard needed to win an award for that performance. It's even kind of a match for Nozawa's.
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Off this current topic, I love how Kai Trunks makes me think of Kimblee (FMA) :lol:.

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dbzkfan543 wrote:Off this current topic, I love how Kai Trunks makes me think of Kimblee (FMA) :lol:.
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