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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Herms » Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:25 am

mAcChaos wrote:I never thought he wanted a rematch from Freeza. He truly detested him. It was more like he just wanted him to stew in his humiliation.
Well, he does tell Freeza to go off somewhere to recover and hone his skills (this is before Freeza cuts himself in half, of course)...though re-reading it now, he says that Freeza should do this if Freeza wants to settle the score. So maybe Goku himself wasn't interested in a rematch. Looks like I misremembered that part.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:27 am

Another thing that doesn't make sense. Even for someone with special power and abilities, how can someone suppress their power down to literally half a percent of their strength? Thinking about Frieza in his first form and then comparing it to his 100%. 530,000 > 120,000,000. Wow.

Also, another thing I don't understand is why Frieza's race was never mentioned? What kind of being is he? And is he a relatively strong being compared to the rest of his race? I assume they were all wiped out just like the Saiyans because its only Frieza and his father that they show. (well, his brother too if you count the non-canon movies)
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Codarik » Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:58 am

Taiyoken + Kienzan = easy victory. Now why didn't Kuririn think of that combo? That could have easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and even Freeza.

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:24 am

Codarik wrote:Taiyoken + Kienzan = easy victory. Now why didn't Kuririn think of that combo? That could have easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and even Freeza.
Speaking of, I've seen Goku only use 1 Taiyoken in the entire show. He could have used it in several different situations!
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Hades » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:38 am

mAcChaos wrote:I never thought he wanted a rematch from Freeza. He truly detested him. It was more like he just wanted him to stew in his humiliation.

For Vegeta though, Freeza had way more personal significance to him than Buu, even if Buu was stronger. What's going to rattle you more, getting beaten by your Dad or some random guy on the street?
If that random guy happened to be a psychopath that kidnapped and murdered my wife and children and burned my house, then i'd be a lot more pissed at them.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Mystic Buu » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:48 am

Codarik wrote:Taiyoken + Kienzan = easy victory. Now why didn't Kuririn think of that combo? That could have easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and even Freeza.
Things would go too quick and constantly defeating villians with that combo would be boring.And maybe because Vegeta in his Oozaru form dodged it without seeing it so others wouldn't have problem dodging it even without sensing Ki.

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by rereboy » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:01 am

Codarik wrote:Taiyoken + Kienzan = easy victory. Now why didn't Kuririn think of that combo? That could have easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and even Freeza.
Because it wouldn't work.

Krillin attacked Oozaru Vegeta from his back (blindspot) with his Kienzan when Vegeta couldn't feel ki. Did it work? No. He just moved.

Krillin also attacked Freeza with his Kienzan from his back (blindspot) when Freeza thought Krillin was dead, while Freeza was distracted by Gohan and Freeza couldn't feel Ki. Did it work? No. He just moved.

With Taiyoken Krillin would create a blindspot, but all the adversary would have to do would be move away.

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Freeza Soldier #156 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:12 am

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Another thing that doesn't make sense. Even for someone with special power and abilities, how can someone suppress their power down to literally half a percent of their strength? Thinking about Freeza in his first form and then comparing it to his 100%. 530,000 > 120,000,000. Wow.

Also, another thing I don't understand is why Freeza's race was never mentioned? What kind of being is he? And is he a relatively strong being compared to the rest of his race? I assume they were all wiped out just like the Saiyans because its only Freeza and his father that they show. (well, his brother too if you count the non-canon movies)
Toriyama spoke a bit about Freeza recently. Basically, Freeza doesn't have a race per say. He and his father King Cold are mutated life forms and are the only one's of their kind.

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Hades » Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:35 am

Another one: Freeza didn't attack Earth with a full invasion force. He just commandeered his father's yacht and security detail.

Seriously, we could have seen the other side of Freeza: The fact that he is the cruellest warlord in the Galaxy and had the army to back it up.

Though I still wonder why Goku was "You wiped out Earth's population in a single stroke, then you turned my wife into an egg and crushed it in front of my son before massacring the lookout and devouring them, then you absorbed my sons and used them against me and Vegeta, then you blew up the planet with them around and went on a Killing Spree and tortured Vegeta in ways that would make Freeza vomit. Hope we can fight again sometime." to Buu, who had been proven beyond doubt to be evil incarnate. Yet he goes "I'LL KILL YOU TO DEATH!" when he fights Freeza, who had only killed ONE person in Goku's presence.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:55 am

Hades wrote: when he fights Freeza, who had only killed ONE person in Goku's presence.
Two, actually. He killed both Vegeta and Krillin in front of Goku.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Hades » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:15 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Hades wrote: when he fights Freeza, who had only killed ONE person in Goku's presence.
Two, actually. He killed both Vegeta and Krillin in front of Goku.
Fair enough, but still. Goku had to watch Buu be an even worse monster than Freeza. He had to watch his sons become a part of buu and die. He had to watch Chi-chi turned into an egg and his friends get devoured. I'd think Goku would have been full of pure rage beyond that on Namek when he returned to fight buu.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by rereboy » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:18 pm

Hades wrote: Fair enough, but still. Goku had to watch Buu be an even worse monster than Freeza. He had to watch his sons become a part of buu and die. He had to watch Chi-chi turned into an egg and his friends get devoured. I'd think Goku would have been full of pure rage beyond that on Namek when he returned to fight buu.
Goku knew that Krillin had already been revived with the Dragon Balls. As far as he could figure, Krillin was gone for good. In the Buu saga, he knows that as long as they defeat Buu, everything can be set right.

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Hades » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:31 pm

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Hades wrote: Fair enough, but still. Goku had to watch Buu be an even worse monster than Freeza. He had to watch his sons become a part of buu and die. He had to watch Chi-chi turned into an egg and his friends get devoured. I'd think Goku would have been full of pure rage beyond that on Namek when he returned to fight buu.
Goku knew that Krillin had already been revived with the Dragon Balls. As far as he could figure, Krillin was gone for good. In the Buu saga, he knows that as long as they defeat Buu, everything can be set right.
But Krillin had already been revived when he was killed by Buu, along with most of Earth's population from the Cell Saga and King Piccolo. Even the fact that you can resurrect your wife and children if they've been eaten by a sadistic psychopath doesn't mean you'd be more willing to forgive said psychopath.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:38 pm

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Hades wrote: Fair enough, but still. Goku had to watch Buu be an even worse monster than Freeza. He had to watch his sons become a part of buu and die. He had to watch Chi-chi turned into an egg and his friends get devoured. I'd think Goku would have been full of pure rage beyond that on Namek when he returned to fight buu.
Goku knew that Krillin had already been revived with the Dragon Balls. As far as he could figure, Krillin was gone for good. In the Buu saga, he knows that as long as they defeat Buu, everything can be set right.
But Krillin had already been revived when he was killed by Buu, along with most of Earth's population from the Cell Saga and King Piccolo. Even the fact that you can resurrect your wife and children if they've been eaten by a sadistic psychopath doesn't mean you'd be more willing to forgive said psychopath.
Apparently it does for Goku. Remember, he was going to let Nappa (who killed 3 of his friends), and Vegeta (who was responsible for those and more) go as well.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:40 pm

Technically, Super Buu did almost all of that stuff, not Pure Buu. He never forgives Super Buu; in fact I don't think he shows any feelings towards him other than fear and horror. Pure Buu was the one who technically killed his sons though, so it seems rather suspect that he's so cavalier with him. Ah well, at least he didn't try to spare this one...

Why would Goku care if a prick like Vegeta died? He outright said he hated him and maintained he deserved death after the fact.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

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Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:How did everyone forget who Goku was... OR PICCOLO?? Did everybody just forget about that evil green demon with the cape on, destroying cities, flying around causing mayhem??
If you want to go by the anime, no one seem to know who Vegeta was despite the fact that the battle against the Z fighters and Nappa was shown on TV worldwide.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
Why would Goku care if a prick like Vegeta died? He outright said he hated him and maintained he deserved death after the fact.
When was this?
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:18 pm

If Goku hated Vegeta, he'd have let Krillin strike him with Yajirobe's sword... then major parts of the story would never have happened.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by rereboy » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:29 pm

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But Krillin had already been revived when he was killed by Buu, along with most of Earth's population from the Cell Saga and King Piccolo. Even the fact that you can resurrect your wife and children if they've been eaten by a sadistic psychopath doesn't mean you'd be more willing to forgive said psychopath.
Goku can teleport to Namek easily enough. When Krillin died, the Namek dragon balls were already gone and Piccolo had been hit by Freeza apparently fatally, which would also destroy the earth dragon balls. In the Buu saga, no matter what happened, as long as Namek was safe, nothing was really lost, and Namek was never in danger in the buu saga.
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Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:How did everyone forget who Goku was... OR PICCOLO?? Did everybody just forget about that evil green demon with the cape on, destroying cities, flying around causing mayhem??
If you want to go by the anime, no one seem to know who Vegeta was despite the fact that the battle against the Z fighters and Nappa was shown on TV worldwide.
That's filler so no one has seen Vegeta and Nappa when they invaded (no one that survived anyway).

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
Why would Goku care if a prick like Vegeta died? He outright said he hated him and maintained he deserved death after the fact.
When was this?
After Vegeta was killed by Freeza. I may be remembering it wrong, but I recall him saying that he hated Vegeta but respected his pride.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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