The Saiyanjin2- We Need Budokai 4

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:08 pm

hulkty wrote:These are dreams and nothing but dreams:
Infinite World 2
Burst Limit 2
Budokai 4
Budokai Tenkaichi 4
Raging Blast 3

It is too late for any of these to happen. The best thing we can get at this point is one that acts as the same way Ultimate Ninja Storm games work, but that's VERY wishful thinking for DBZ...
Guys, just stop getting hopes up and move on with life.
Spike is working for Namco Bandai so if NB wanted to hire them back for home console games they could, they just aren't that's all.

CC2 to develop a Dragon Ball game? No thanks. I don't just want a more polished Tenkaichi with nicer graphics but a game that knows it's a game (Dimps is the dev to go for). Dimps is also working for Namco Bandai on DBH and that's too lucrative so no chance of getting them back for home consoles, but perhaps for handhelds (3DS -- they already dev'd DBH:UM).
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Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:14 pm

I wish NB was actually trying to manage the games professionally. So far their baby-Tekken and Tales of_______ is all they care about. I was hoping they would have just merged Artdink with SpikeSoft or something to make a more balanced company for the job. Artdink has the great ideas, but terrible execution and even worse gameplay. Spike is the exact opposite. Reasonable gameplay and good character models if not the best to date, but terrible everything else and no creativity what so ever.

Dimps is the only veteran company they have compitent on delivering both but NB refuses to put them on Consoles, how hard is it really to make a card game? ArtDink could have did that. They should do DBH and Dimps should do Budokai.

The problem I remember with NB is that they don't care at all about their real audience and never have. They've only been trying to ignore the veterans so that they could at least get the casual dollar. From DBZ Kinect to Battle-of-Z. They seem to obessed with making games nobody wanted.
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Post by Darknat » Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:55 am

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:I wish NB was actually trying to manage the games professionally. So far their baby-Tekken and Tales of_______ is all they care about. I was hoping they would have just merged Artdink with SpikeSoft or something to make a more balanced company for the job. Artdink has the great ideas, but terrible execution and even worse gameplay. Spike is the exact opposite. Reasonable gameplay and good character models if not the best to date, but terrible everything else and no creativity what so ever.

Dimps is the only veteran company they have compitent on delivering both but NB refuses to put them on Consoles, how hard is it really to make a card game? ArtDink could have did that. They should do DBH and Dimps should do Budokai.

The problem I remember with NB is that they don't care at all about their real audience and never have. They've only been trying to ignore the veterans so that they could at least get the casual dollar. From DBZ Kinect to Battle-of-Z. They seem to obessed with making games nobody wanted.
The problem is that those games are marketed to kids, and they want to make them as simple as possible. So we get Battle of Z, Kinnect and Ultimate Blast. Budokai and tenkaichi are a bit more difficult to get into, and are more complex.

Also, I don't agree with artdink having any good ideas for Battle of Z. It's just a brawl game with roles. Is not that original. It's something different from what we have got lately, but I don't think it's a good game at all.

I doubt it's that difficult to maintain a game like Heroes, seeing as they have been reusing assets for the carddass games since the first Carddass game used the Budokai models and engine. I'm not sure artdink will do a good work with a game like Heroes. One of the things is that the visuals for heroes are quite good even though they are not current gen, and in my opinion, so far, artdink is not good in the art department. Their character models and visuals for attacks are really lacking.

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Post by budokaifanatic007 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:46 pm

http://gamrrage.com/un-reve-de-gamer-4- ... dokai-4-2/
He also makes some good points, Check it out.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:04 am

Aside from Dragon Ball Heroes what's that other game franchise that Dimps dominates and it's so popular it has tournaments worth real money? Street Fighter!

Ultra Street Fighter IV is still in development and just recently a new-ish character was announced to SFIV's roster, USFIV is scheduled to be released on August 2014.

So you all see why Dimps isn't making Dragon Ball home console games any more.
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Post by funrush » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:32 pm

Budokai 4 sounds cool but my worry is with a franchise as closed as Dragon Ball Z other than the occasional special like EoB, I don't know if there'd be very much to add to warrant a whole fourth game. But then again if Street Fighter 2 (and soon 4) could get shoved back into the market as much as it did, I guess I could see it happening. And hey, it's been almost 10 years, they really could do a lot of cool stuff with it to make it worthwhile. I would buy it.

What really needs to get made though is Attack of The Saiyans 2. Make it happen Namco!

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Post by budokaifanatic007 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:02 pm

I can just see the sales for DBZ games going downhill for the years to come. Namco doesn't see that the fans are frustrated with the content they have been putting out for the past couple of years. How can they smile in our faces and put out garbage?
I'm fed up.... :crazy:
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:43 pm

budokaifanatic007 wrote:I can just see the sales for DBZ games going downhill for the years to come. Namco doesn't see that the fans are frustrated with the content they have been putting out for the past couple of years. How can they smile in our faces and put out garbage?
I'm fed up.... :crazy:
Because the kids that seen Kai on Nicktoons are now the upcoming fans buying all the games. I didn't notice till me friend's little cousin started wanting DBZ Kai stuff. Also he only refers to DBZ as DBZ "Kai" because that'a all he's seen.

Imo, the new generation of fans are gonna buy everything, especially those who first saw Dragon Ball with Kai... so Namco Bandai is good. WE on the other hand aren't...
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:54 am

Weren't the sales of Battle of Z reported to be better on Vita than the home consoles? If that's the case that's not good news because Vita's fanbase isn't anywhere as big as 360 or PS3.

If Namco Bandai doesn't want to listen to its fans which they shouldn't then just think of games that their customers would want and release an Alpha (I think it's Alpha not Beta in this case) so if they suck then they'll just cancel that game and move to the next one.

It always comes down to how the gameplay works and while Battle of Z is fun it just isn't all that great.
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Post by Darknat » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:31 am

dbboxkaifan wrote:Weren't the sales of Battle of Z reported to be better on Vita than the home consoles? If that's the case that's not good news because Vita's fanbase isn't anywhere as big as 360 or PS3.

If Namco Bandai doesn't want to listen to its fans which they shouldn't then just think of games that their customers would want and release an Alpha (I think it's Alpha not Beta in this case) so if they suck then they'll just cancel that game and move to the next one.

It always comes down to how the gameplay works and while Battle of Z is fun it just isn't all that great.
That won't work. Even in an Alpha stage a game costs way too much money and work. There is the design, programming, 3D modeling, music and so on. As a software developer I can tell you that releasing an alpha just to test a game is not a good idea.

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Post by WittyUsername » Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:12 pm

Wasn't Infinite World more or less Budokai 4?

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:37 pm

WittyUsername wrote:Wasn't Infinite World more or less Budokai 4?
It was more like Budokai v3.5 edition.
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Post by budokaifanatic007 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:34 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:Ultra Street Fighter IV is still in development and just recently a new-ish character was announced to SFIV's roster, USFIV is scheduled to be released on August 2014.

So you all see why Dimps isn't making Dragon Ball home console games any more.
Are you sure Dimps is working on it ? Cause I've heard otherwise. Plus arent they working on DBHUM2 ?
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:38 pm

They were the ones who've always worked on the Street Fighter series but at this point there's not much that needs to be improved since it has been perfected with so many updates.

If it weren't for DBH and SF maybe we'd see Dimps developing a new Dragon Ball game for home consoles but that's not the reality.
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dbboxkaifan wrote:They were the ones who've always worked on the Street Fighter series but at this point there's not much that needs to be improved since it has been perfected with so many updates.

If it weren't for DBH and SF maybe we'd see Dimps developing a new Dragon Ball game for home consoles but that's not the reality.
Well you never know, just got to hope for the best i guess. You think with the success of Heroes that Namco bandai would give Dimps a chance ? just a thought...
PS: But then again heroes is only marketed in japan, damn...
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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:38 pm

Dimps never listed Ultimate Mission as a project they've worked on btw.
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Super Saiyan Prime wrote:Dimps never listed Ultimate Mission as a project they've worked on btw.
So they aren't working on something big or time consuming as of late?
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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:09 am

budokaifanatic007 wrote:
Super Saiyan Prime wrote:Dimps never listed Ultimate Mission as a project they've worked on btw.
So they aren't working on something big or time consuming as of late?
I didn't say that. We know Dimps is working on Ultra Street Fighter IV, Freedom Wars, and the arcade Dragon Ball Heroes. They're presumably working on a 3DS installment of Sonic's Team next Sonic game, likely alongside some other projects.
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Post by RocktheDragon » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:55 pm

There have been way too many DB fighting games released in the past several years and Bandai Namco knows that. That's why they tried such a different approach with Battle of Z but of course that release has its own problems...

I think what has to happen is that whomever develops the next mainstream DBZ game has to get a lot more creative then they are now. It's obvious that they aren't going to have the biggest budget to make their game so they have to really make due with what they have. An unimpressive overall budget for a console game means we can't be blinded by pretty visuals over the lackluster gameplay mechanics, they actually have to deliver us a quality title.
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Post by budokaifanatic007 » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:29 pm

RocktheDragon wrote: I think what has to happen is that whomever develops the next mainstream DBZ game has to get a lot more creative then they are now.
Explain please, Like How?
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