He could have easily have worked his way around it if it were that important to him.That is by no means solid proof that Toriyama wanted to ignore GT. The entire project was forced to exclude anime exclusive content because the game developer was only able to get the rights to the manga, though they wanted them for all of it.
As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
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Because Toriyama can wave his hand and magically overturn property-rights ownership laws at will?Bullza wrote:He could have easily have worked his way around it if it were that important to him.That is by no means solid proof that Toriyama wanted to ignore GT. The entire project was forced to exclude anime exclusive content because the game developer was only able to get the rights to the manga, though they wanted them for all of it.
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Its not important to him though. Any decent amount of reading on here will show you Toriyama is not and never was very fond of Dragonball. On many occasions he talked about it in disdain. Why go through the hassle and legal work of something you never really cared about anyway?Bullza wrote:He could have easily have worked his way around it if it were that important to him.That is by no means solid proof that Toriyama wanted to ignore GT. The entire project was forced to exclude anime exclusive content because the game developer was only able to get the rights to the manga, though they wanted them for all of it.
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Akira also said he doesn't only want to be know as the creator of dragon ball
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Why are almost everyone here so butthurt when someone says canon?
There is a canon. Deal with it.
There is a canon. Deal with it.
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I highly doubt that it would even be his call to make. Everything in the game did need his approval as to whether it would fit within the Dragon Ball world, but that doesn't mean he had the final say on everything overall.Bullza wrote:He could have easily have worked his way around it if it were that important to him.
Assuming he even wrote the timeline, which it seems like he did thanks to what little "evidence" we have", perhaps it was not him who gave the timeline entries their dates. Maybe the developers took what he wrote and put the information where ever they needed.
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Alternative dimensions =/= canon. Future Trunks' world & the Room of Spirit and Time for example are also alternative dimensions. That doesn't mean they are non-canon.Bullza wrote:At least as far as Toriyama is concerned Dragon Ball GT is not a part of his story. The movies he has said take place in an alternate dimension meaning they also do not take part in his story. The movie characters would not exist in Toriyama's story, the movie characters do show up in Dragon Ball GT which means that it would also take place in this alternate dimension and not the main (canon) story.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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There is no canon. There is only the Force.Zombie wrote:Why are almost everyone here so butthurt when someone says canon?
There is a canon. Deal with it.
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Cannon is what the original writer does to the Orginal story. Non-cannon is like extra things that go along with the story, but take No effect on the Orginal story. Just because Akira wrote it, doesn't mean its automatically cannon. And GT was like a huge fan project or something right?Akira hates it so much he doesn't want anything to do with it. So GT is just like a massive fan fiction that got so popular that they made a TV show. So its not cannon.
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Because no official canon exists, so anyone that says one does is either lying or misinformed. There's only fanon. Also, "canon" is usually used as "thing I like" while non-canon is "thing I don't like".Zombie wrote:Why are almost everyone here so butthurt when someone says canon?
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This.RandomGuy96 wrote: Because no official canon exists, so anyone that says one does is either lying or misinformed. There's only fanon. Also, "canon" is usually used as "thing I like" while non-canon is "thing I don't like".
Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
It's funny when the discussion goes to canon and whatnot. I don't know how hard it is to accept the Dragon Ball is 42 books. Everything else is supplementary material, whether you want it or not.
Jaco, Specials, Battle of Gods, episode of Bardock, etc. are supplements to the main thing. Toriyama ENDED the manga with volume 42 (or chapter 519, if you want to be specific). I don't get how hard it is to accept this and live a happy life.
Jaco, Specials, Battle of Gods, episode of Bardock, etc. are supplements to the main thing. Toriyama ENDED the manga with volume 42 (or chapter 519, if you want to be specific). I don't get how hard it is to accept this and live a happy life.
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9/10 times any dbz discussion goes to what is cannon or not.
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What are you talking about? Toriyama liked GT.AGentlemanSaiyan wrote:And GT was like a huge fan project or something right?Akira hates it so much he doesn't want anything to do with it. So GT is just like a massive fan fiction that got so popular that they made a TV show. So its not cannon.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I'm pretty sure he's sees GT as a failure. He's likes SSJ4's design that's about it...
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If he said that he disliked DBE in public, he would have said the same for GT.AGentlemanSaiyan wrote:I'm pretty sure he's sees GT as a failure. He's likes SSJ4's design that's about it...
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I'm pretty sure he's said it in a interview somewhere, I know for a fact that he likes SSJ4 though.
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There is nothing negative there.“My sincerest gratitude to all those who bought this Dragon Ball GT DVD box.
Being a lazy bum by nature, I was absurdly happy when I managed to safely finish up Dragon Ball’s serialization, and finally be released from Deadline Hell. The TV anime people wanted to continue for just a little bit more, but I [just couldn't do] any more than that… And so, I left the Dragon Ball anime completely up to the anime staff, story and all. That was “Dragon Ball GT”.
In car lingo, GT means “Gran Turismo”: a fast, high-powered car, in other words. But in this case, I had GT mean “Grand Touring”, a great journey, since the scenario was that they’d be running around the universe.
For GT, all I did was just come up with the title, design the initial main cast and some of the machines, and also do a few images. However, I was able to rest easy handing things over to the excellent staff, who had continued on Dragon Ball for all this time. In particular, the animator Nakatsuru-kun is amazingly skilled, and mastered the peculiarities of my pictures in no time at all, to the point where there were even times when I couldn’t tell whether I had drawn a certain character design, or if he had. For instance, one of Nakatsuru-kun’s designs was “Super Saiyan 4″, which appears in GT, and the picture above is a portrait that I drew looking off it. Did I draw it well?
Dragon Ball GT is a grand side-story of the original Dragon Ball, and it’ll make me happy for us to watch and enjoy it together.”
– Akira Toriyama
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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AGentlemanSaiyan wrote:I'm pretty sure he's said it in a interview somewhere, I know for a fact that he likes SSJ4 though.
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“My sincerest gratitude to all those who bought this Dragon Ball GT DVD box.
Being a lazy bum by nature, I was absurdly happy when I managed to safely finish up Dragon Ball‘s serialization, and finally be released from Deadline Hell. The TV anime people wanted to continue for just a little bit more, but I [just couldn't do] any more than that… And so, I left the Dragon Ball anime completely up to the anime staff, story and all. That was “Dragon Ball GT“.
In car lingo, GT means “Gran Turismo”: a fast, high-powered car, in other words. But in this case, I had GT mean “Grand Touring”, a great journey, since the scenario was that they’d be running around the universe.
For GT, all I did was just come up with the title, design the initial main cast and some of the machines, and also do a few images. However, I was able to rest easy handing things over to the excellent staff, who had continued on Dragon Ball for all this time. In particular, the animator Nakatsuru-kun is amazingly skilled, and mastered the peculiarities of my pictures in no time at all, to the point where there were even times when I couldn’t tell whether I had drawn a certain character design, or if he had. For instance, one of Nakatsuru-kun‘s designs was “Super Saiyan 4″, which appears in GT, and the picture above is a portrait that I drew looking off it. Did I draw it well?
Dragon Ball GT is a grand side-story of the original Dragon Ball, and it’ll make me happy for us to watch and enjoy it together.”
– Akira Toriyama
Those are Toriyama's thoughts on GT.
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Well jeez......now I feel dumb. When did I come with the assumption he hated it...*shrugs*
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