Is Super Saiyan God the next "canonical" SSj4?

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

GT can still fit between the Time skip because..
SSJG=Power up
SSJ4=Transformation
In the movie SSJG fused with gokus super saiyan state, which makes sense because there's times where goku just fights in SSJ when he could have used other forms *not just in BoG*

[KentalSSJ6]

GT can still fit between the Time skip because..
SSJG=Power up
SSJ4=Transformation
In the movie SSJG fused with gokus super saiyan state, which makes sense because there's times where goku just fights in SSJ when he could have used other forms *not just in BoG*

Which means in the future, this could become a terrifying possiblity

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[AGentlemanSaiyan]

At least GT didn't do this.... then they have a valid reason to make Brolys power maximum

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Which means if they do redo GT.... Oh no its possible...

[KentalSSJ6]

At least GT didn't do this.... then they have a valid reason to make Brolys power maximum

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Which means if they do redo GT.... Oh no its possible...

Would it matter? SSJ4 Broly would still get stomped by SSJ4 Goku.

Those who go to hell lose their bodies. Meaning, even if Broly came back during the GT period, he'd only be as powerful as he was in Movie 10, where he was already outclassed by the majority of the Buu saga. Going into GT territory is just overkill especially if you believe SSJ1 GT Goku > SSJ3 Z Goku.

Broly cant go SSJ4 anyway, just like SSJG it would be impossible for him.

[InfernalVegito]

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That looks literally hot.

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

Would it matter? SSJ4 Broly would still get stomped by SSJ4 Goku.

Broly cant go SSJ4 anyway, just like SSJG it would be impossible for him.

I was implying it as a joke, I mean SSJ4 Gogeta could kill broly by looking at him. I just meant that is if the series continues, a lot if broly fans would be saying he needs SSJ4.... and then everyone would be like lolololol hes da best. Just saying its outrageous they could have SSJ4 Broly and the possible SSJG4 Gogeta if demand was High enough haha.
Getting back on topic though, its possible the reason why GT goku is believed to be so strong enough to say GT goku=ZSSJ3 goku is because he absorbed the SSJG.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Would it matter? SSJ4 Broly would still get stomped by SSJ4 Goku.

Would he? We can't know that.

[KentalSSJ6]

Would it matter? SSJ4 Broly would still get stomped by SSJ4 Goku.

Would he? We can't know that.

Considering it would be a SSJ4 Broly who's base strength is still the same as it was during movie 10 against GT Goku, I'm fairly certain the difference between their base powers is more than enough for Goku to win with little trouble.

Its the same situation with people who think SSJ Bardock can beat Final Form Freeza when he's still weaker than Freeza's first form.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Considering it would be a SSJ4 Broly who's base strength is still the same as it was during movie 10 against GT Goku, I'm fairly certain the difference between their base powers is more than enough for Goku to win with little trouble.

But why would his strength be the same? Broli got a big near-death power-up last time, and if LSS is combined with his SS4 like it did with SS3, we can't know what kind of power he would have.

[KentalSSJ6]

Considering it would be a SSJ4 Broly who's base strength is still the same as it was during movie 10 against GT Goku, I'm fairly certain the difference between their base powers is more than enough for Goku to win with little trouble.

But why would his strength be the same? Broli got a big near-death power-up last time, and if LSS is combined with his SS4 like it did with SS3, we can't know what kind of power he would have.

You dont get a Zenkai when your dead. Broly was flat out killed in movie 10, he wasen't severely wounded like at the end of movie 8. Going by the manga, those who go to hell lose their bodies. Broly would have no chance to train without a body so even by some asspull he's brought back with the Dragonballs, he's going to be identically stronger to his movie 10 appearance, which is already outclassed by the majority of the Buu saga. Couple that with being revived in the GT period, Goku and Vegeta could one shot Broly in base form most likely. Using SSJ4 would be overkill honestly.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

You dont get a Zenkai when your dead. Broly was flat out killed in movie 10, he wasen't severely wounded like at the end of movie 8. Going by the manga, those who go to hell lose their bodies. Broly would have no chance to train without a body so even by some asspull he's brought back with the Dragonballs, he's going to be identically stronger to his movie 10 appearance, which is already outclassed by the majority of the Buu saga. Couple that with being revived in the GT period, Goku and Vegeta could one shot Broly in base form most likely. Using SSJ4 would be overkill honestly.

First of all, we are talking about an anime character in an anime-only story. The anime shows that the villains in Hell keep their bodies.
Secondly, we only know for a fact that he was outclassed by SS3 Goku (because he is in a form beyond Broli's), Gotenks (because Fusion), and Ultimate Gohan (because Rou Kaioshin).
Finally, base Goku & Vegeta can what?! I really doubt they are extremely stronger than their Boo arc selves based on their gains from Cell Games, no, from Freeza arc until the 28th TB.

[KentalSSJ6]

You dont get a Zenkai when your dead. Broly was flat out killed in movie 10, he wasen't severely wounded like at the end of movie 8. Going by the manga, those who go to hell lose their bodies. Broly would have no chance to train without a body so even by some asspull he's brought back with the Dragonballs, he's going to be identically stronger to his movie 10 appearance, which is already outclassed by the majority of the Buu saga. Couple that with being revived in the GT period, Goku and Vegeta could one shot Broly in base form most likely. Using SSJ4 would be overkill honestly.

First of all, we are talking about an anime character in an anime-only story. The anime shows that the villains in Hell keep their bodies.
Secondly, we only know for a fact that he was outclassed by SS3 Goku (because he is in a form beyond Broli's), Gotenks (because Fusion), and Ultimate Gohan (because Rou Kaioshin).
Finally, base Goku & Vegeta can what?! I really doubt they are extremely stronger than their Boo arc selves based on their gains up from Cell Games until the 28th TB.

If you wanna go that route then Broly was unable to even make Goku go SSJ3. Seeing at the end of Bio Broly, Goku and Paikuhan are sent down to hell to stop Broly, and in movie 12, Goku flat out says only Majin Buu has pushed him to SSJ3 before. Meaning SSJ1/2 Goku and Paikuhan > Movie 10 Broly. That also means if Broly was defeated/killed by them, then he no longer exists because once you die again in the afterlife, you cease to exist.

Also, I do not count SSJ3 Broly whatsoever as he's only a videogame character and seeing how in a game anyone can beat anyone, theres no point in trying to peg SSJ3 Broly as their is no remotely accurate description of his power. If you wanna continue this take it to the versus thread because we are getting off topic.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If you wanna go that route then Broly was unable to even make Goku go SSJ3. Seeing at the end of Bio Broly, Goku and Paikuhan are sent down to hell to stop Broly, and in movie 12, Goku flat out says only Majin Buu has pushed him to SSJ3 before. Meaning SSJ1/2 Goku and Paikuhan > Movie 10 Broly.

I'm aware, but it's not SS2 Goku > LSS Broli, it's SS2 Goku and Paikuhan > LSS Broli. We don't know how things would go if Goku was alone, but based on SS2 Gohan's fight, it seems more likely that Goku would be forced to go SS3 to easily KO him.

That also means if Broly was defeated/killed by them, then he no longer exists because once you die again in the afterlife, you cease to exist.

In the anime, dead people are immortal.

Also, I do not count SSJ3 Broly whatsoever as he's only a videogame character and seeing how in a game anyone can beat anyone, theres no point in trying to peg SSJ3 Broly as their is no remotely accurate description of his power.

I'm not talking about the powers in the games, I'm talking about the fact that Broli can transform into Legendary Super Saiyan 3, which should give a bigger boost than regular Super Saiyan 3. So, maybe base Goku is 2 times stronger than base Broli, for example, but if Legendary Super Saiyan gives a x2 boost, it would make SS3 Goku & SS3 Broli equals. So, my point is, we can't guess LSS4 Broli's power (assuming that it's even possible in the first place, but we all know that if SS4 Broli was to be made, he would be a mix of LSS & SS4).

[Kamiccolo9]

That also means if Broly was defeated/killed by them, then he no longer exists because once you die again in the afterlife, you cease to exist.

In the anime, dead people are immortal.

Only in some parts. Later, it goes with the whole "if you die while dead, than you are dead forever" thing that the manga has.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Only in some parts. Later, it goes with the whole "if you die while dead, than you are dead forever" thing that the manga has.

The "dead people can't die" was there multiple times, both before & after the manga scene. GT retconned that again with the Super #17 arc.

[Cetra]

I don't know why everyone is so upset about that otherworld joke stuff. When it comes to keeping their bodies, hell always sounded like some "prison" to me in Dragon Ball. The baddies could get their bodies back for a while but have to give it back and normally obey to some otherworld rules. And in the otherworld itself they actually cannot cease to exist. It could be written like this.

And I think Broly cannot be beaten with equal transformation levels.

[Kamiccolo9]

Only in some parts. Later, it goes with the whole "if you die while dead, than you are dead forever" thing that the manga has.

The "dead people can't die" was there multiple times, both before & after the manga scene. GT retconned that again with the Super #17 arc.

All I'm saying is that it's inconsistent, even in the Super 17 arc. Remember how Vegeta killed Nappa again, and 17 killed Gero? Broly's fate could go either way, and it wouldn't contradict the anime (or rather, it would contradict both sides equally.)

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

If we really want to talk about "if broly came back in GT, how string would he be?' Just Make another topic. Let's continue the SSJG discussion. I know its not my place to say that, but I'd rather not get this topic closed.

[dbzfan7]

I don't think so. Though I still think SSJ4 looks more like a god form than SSJ God.

[Hellspawn28]

How bout we just wait? For all we know a new film could be in the works right now. Maybe Goku loses his SSJG powers, maybe SSJ4 will eventually make a appearance, nobody knows right now so nothing is replacing anything at the moment.

For what we know there IS a new flim , starring Vegeta as the main character. Though I know since BoG their probably going to completely ignore GT or tie it in some how.

If they make a new film then I guess Vegeta will get a SSjG form. If BOG is canon to GT then Vegeta never uses SSjG in GT. Either he will keep the form (which is likely) or Vegeta loses it at the end of the film. I know GT came out before GT, I'm looking at things in universe stand point of view. I'm fine if they ignore GT for good. If they do, the show still exist. It's not like Toei is going to burn every copy of it and you're welcome to watch it anytime.