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by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:57 pm
Metalwario64 wrote:I can't see the video... For some reason I only see a black screen. It's only for this video too.
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by Luso Saiyan » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:02 pm
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Weird seeing Bardock in different armor
Indeed. Not sure what's the purpose of such change...
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by soulnova » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:04 pm
Hahaha, I'm reposting this everywhere I can.
I would love to see a full panel of Gine. It seems she does has long hair... right?
Bardock with different armor... I would dare say there's a 50/50 chance Toriyama simply forgot.
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by Metalwario64 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:08 pm
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I'm not going to reupload the video or anything, but here's the only actual new stuff from it.
Yes, of course. Thanks for posting that image.
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by Marco Polo » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:20 pm
No bandana on Bardock.
Gine looks like she has EoZ Goten hairstyle. Looks generic as hell on her.
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by Luso Saiyan » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:22 pm
soulnova wrote:Bardock with different armor... I would dare say there's a 50/50 chance Toriyama simply forgot.
I would agree, but he was the one who originally partially changed Bardock's armor. Damn, usually I don't care about such details, but Bardock is one my favourite characters...
Marco Polo wrote:No bandana on Bardock.
He only got it after Toma was killed though.
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by Chuquita » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:34 pm
I just realized; Kakarrotto will probably have a different way of speaking than Gokû has. I'm curious to see what. Maybe he'll speak more like Bardock?
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by soulnova » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:37 pm
Chuquita wrote:I just realized; Kakarrotto will probably have a different way of speaking than Gokû has. I'm curious to see what. Maybe he'll speak more like Bardock?
I wouldn't hold my breath.
We don't even know if the way Bardock talks in the special will be the same as this one.
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by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:44 pm
Are we even going to debate the canonicity again?!
The Bardock TV special is canon to the anime and the Jaco manga is canon to the DB manga.
Or there's no canon.
And just to be clear- the Episode of Bardock was created by some unknown mangaka who was given a permission by Toriyama to draw it. Take what you will.
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by Luso Saiyan » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:48 pm
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Are we even going to debate the canonicity again?!
Who's debating that?! The armor that Bardock uses in the TV special is the same that he wears in the manga. This time it's different, and that's all that was pointed out.
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by Chuquita » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:49 pm
soulnova wrote:Chuquita wrote:I just realized; Kakarrotto will probably have a different way of speaking than Gokû has. I'm curious to see what. Maybe he'll speak more like Bardock?
I wouldn't hold my breath.
We don't even know if the way Bardock talks in the special will be the same as this one.
This is true. I wouldn't expect Toriyama to have re-watched the Bardock special in preparation for this (I don't recall if Bardock should have that scar on his face at that point or not, myself. I feel like he got it in the opening part of the special?)
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by FortuneSSJ » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:50 pm
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
And just to be clear- the Episode of Bardock was created by some unknown mangaka who was given a permission by Toriyama to draw it. Take what you will.
Well, it was created by the one who will inherit his will, Naho Ooishi.
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by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:51 pm
If it's not done by Toriyama, then it's not canon.
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by FortuneSSJ » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:52 pm
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:If it's not done by Toriyama, then it's not canon.
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Are we even going to debate the canonicity again?!
Eh?!
Anyway lets just enjoy it. This new kakarotto's farewell seems like it will give me strong feels too.
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by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:04 pm
FortuneSSJ wrote:DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:If it's not done by Toriyama, then it's not canon.
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Are we even going to debate the canonicity again?!
The definition of canon from Google:
The works of a particular author or artist that are recognized as genuine.
The anime that was created people other than the original author or those that was not created by the original author does not match the definition above. The people who created the anime or manga doesn't have the same ideas as the original author does. Toriyama didn't create the anime nor Episode of Bardock. What has happened in anime has happened in the anime universe. What has happened in the manga has happened in the manga universe.
I'm saying there's no need to talk about what is canon, since the definition I provided above does not match the criteria by the folks here.
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by Luso Saiyan » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:11 pm
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I'm saying there's no need to talk about what is canon,
But you're the only one who's talking about it. Or are you complaining about yourself?
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:13 pm
I find it very hard for Toriyama to have forgotten. He drew Bardock a few years ago, and he read Episode of Bardock, since there was an interview about it, and he remembers that he had Bardock in the manga, which he also read recently for BoG, and Bardock had only one design ever since he debuted...
But let's wait and see. We don't know if Bardock will wear the same armor in his final confrontation with Freeza.
Marco Polo wrote:No bandana on Bardock.
Going by the TV Special, he isn't supposed to have it yet. Remember, it's red because Toma's blood is all over it.
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by Hujio » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:20 pm
Just a friendly word of warning to everyone before this progresses any further -- please tread lightly with the subject of canon. Sweeping definitive statements about it will get you nowhere here, so let's refrain from those, please. You (basically one person) have been thusly warned, so please don't make me jump in again. If I have to, then there will be consequences.
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by B » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:46 pm
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:If it's not done by Toriyama, then it's not canon.
I think it's funny you tell people to take Oiishi's involvement "as you will" and then make a sweeping statement like this. Couldn't I just say "these comments are from some unknown American Toriyama has never met. Take that as you will."?
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by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:54 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:We don't know if Bardock will wear the same armor in his final confrontation with Freeza.
Going by the TV Special, he isn't supposed to have it yet. Remember, it's red because Toma's blood is all over it.
I hope so. I like the original armor better.
But that's for the TV Special, and we already know that the events of DB- are different. Bardock's squad might not be assaulted, Freeza might just blow up the planet with all of them there. So, while it would have been significantly less symbolic, he could have just
had the bandanna. Though I'm completely content to wait until the actual chapter is out to see if he gains it before I make any actual judgement. For now, just spitballing.
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