The Cell Saga Is The Lowest Rated Saga?

[RandomGuy96]

Saiga mentioned on Facebook chat that the 2008 OVA as a manga. Is that official or fan-made? Well, if we are just going by the official manga than yeah Yamcha has the better record. As I said though, I don't really count him. The only person who I'd put Yamcha above, if just going by Toriyama's manga alone, is Chaozu.

The manga is official, illustrated by Oishi, featured in V-Jump.

[Kid Buu]

Who does Yamcha even outpace in Battle Record if you include filler? He beats the Ginyu Force, but so do Chaozu and Tenshinhan, with the latter getting two victories there. Yamcha also gets two victories in Buu Arc Filer.

[RandomGuy96]

Who does Yamcha even outpace in Battle Record if you include filler? He beats the Ginyu Force, but so do Chaozu and Tenshinhan, with the latter getting two victories there. Yamcha also gets two victories in Buu Arc Filer.

Filler adds Recoome and Olibu (+that other guy who no cares about) to his victory list. That makes his full list of mostly solo victories Invisible Man, Recoome, Olibu, and that other guy. He still outpaces Chiaotzu, who only got to beat Guldo. Still behind Tenshinhan, who beat Yamcha, Roshi, Goku (kinda), Tao, Cultivar (kinda) Burter, and Jeice. I guess he outdoes minor characters like Recoome (three victories, one curbstomp loss) if you include filler. As for main characters, he'd definitely outdo Yajirobe, who to my knowledge didn't get any filler victories. Yamcha also had more trouble with Recoome alone than Ten did with both Burter and Jeice, so there's that.

Even when counting filler, I'm kinda reluctant to count his fight with Olibu, because it's so silly, as opposed to the Ginyu Force filler, which could plausibly have happened.

[Kid Buu]

Krillin - Bacterian, Chaozu, Saibamen (x3), no filler victories as far as I know.

Interestingly enough Yamcha still falls behind even with filer, but Tenshinhan outpaces him.

[RandomGuy96]

Krillin - Bacterian, Chaozu, Saibamen (x3), no filler victories as far as I know.

Interestingly enough Yamcha still falls behind even with filer, but Tenshinhan outpaces him.

He did manage to hold his own against Imperfect Cell. While that's not a victory per se, I'd say it gives him more points than Yamcha, as not only is Imperfect Cell way stronger than Recoome or Olibu, but it actually accomplished something, while Yamcha's filler victories were training victories.

I don't know if this is intentional, but it Toei seems to love Piccolo, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan. The latter gets to easily stomp two strong Ginyus while the other two humans have trouble in one on one battle with the weaker ones, and gets to fight on par with base Trunks in M9.

[Kid Buu]

Imperfect Cell is stronger than Oiblu?

Yamcha's Japanese Voice Actor is actually a veteran in Japan, so that's probably why.

[RandomGuy96]

Imperfect Cell is stronger than Oiblu?

Depends on how you interpret it, but that's what I think is more likely at least, since the alternative is base Goku being stronger than Cell (and Goku being waaaaaay wrong about Dabra by extension). Olibu was defeated fair and square by suppressed Pikkon, who was on par with base Goku, who is obviously weaker than Imperfect Cell.

[Kid Buu]

Heh, how does that explain Pikkon one-shotted Cell? Surprise attack?

Hirotaka Suzuoki (Tenshinhan) and especially Tōru Furuya (Yamcha) are popular VAs in Japan, hence why Toei might be fond of them. Funny thing is those two also appear in other series together.

[RandomGuy96]

Heh, how does that explain Paikuhan one-shotted Cell? Surprise attack?

Hirotaka Suzuoki (Tenshinhan) and especially Tōru Furuya (Yamcha) are popular VAs in Japan, hence why Toei might be fond of them. Funny thing is those two also appear in other series together.

There's a lot of explanations for that. He was suppressed and not just weighted against Goku, he was wearing heavier weights against Goku, his weights just subtract power rather than work proportionally (so that KK-like technique would still be potent), etc. I think any of them make more sense than base Goku being stronger than Cell, especially since Cell is compared to Dabra later, so that wouldn't fit even by the anime's logic.

[Kid Buu]

Heh, we should probably get back on-topic here.

I've already voiced my opinion a few pages back on this arc, and it's for sure my least favourite of the "DBZ" era. Since Yamcha seems to be a popular topic here, all I can say is that he trains and gets beaten by Gero straight away, a role he always seems to find himself in. At least Toriyama bothered to have him show up at the Cell Games though.

[RandomGuy96]

Which if anything just makes him look worse, as they had to waste a senzu on his useless ass.

[Kid Buu]

Yeah, but at least he was actually present for a big bad defeat. I'm pretty sure Piccolo was the only other one, its kinda funny how he get's removed from an arc so quickly.

-Misses the RRA climax by a hair
-In the hospital for Tenshinhan's battle with
-Misses the Daimao Climax by a hair
-Present for Piccolo Jr
-Dead before Nappa/Vegeta fight
-Not on Namek, although he did see Freeza die
-Misses out on Androids
-Not present for any of Buu's fights.

And geez, I just realized Tenshinhan is his only real big bad battle.

[RandomGuy96]

Well, he gets one-shotted by Super Buu and then eaten. Does that count?

[Kid Buu]

Not really a "battle" but I guess it counts, at least Tenshinhan was nice enough to hold back for a while.

Now I'm kind of curious.

Goku: RRA, Daimao, Ma Junior, Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Buu (6)
Krillin: Ma Junior, Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Buu (5)
Gohan: Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Buu (4)
Vegeta: Freeza, Cell, Buu (3)
Piccolo: Freeza, Cell (2)
Tenshinhan: Cell, Buu (2)
Yamcha: Tenshinhan, Buu (2)
Yajirobe: Vegeta (1)
Chaozu: Well, he was killed directly by Daimao (1).

[Ninja Murasaki]

Boss Rabbit's men don't count. One, they're mooks. Two, Goku weakened them first.

Absolute bullcrap. The men had been standing for quite some time, and had fully recovered from Goku hitting them earlier.

And going by your logic, on tambourine, they're [img]the%20Dragon[/img], considering they're Boss Rabbits Righthand men.

I don't think this is unreasonable: one major victory he won on his own in the manga. Aside from Chiaotzu, assuming he counts, every other main fighter can claim to have done this.

The official daizenshuu already list his victories by himself if you will.

Goku - Yamcha is listed as defeating the in 4th Daizenshuu

Chi-Chi - One shotted her, this after she threw a blade hard enough to decapitate a T-rex.

We get it, you believe everything TFS says, fanatically hating Yamcha and everyone one who likes him. Well guess what, we don't want to hear your biased opinion anymore.

[thatdbzguy]

Remember when this thread used to be about the Cell Saga and not about how much of a loser Yamcha is/isn't?

Good times, good times.

[Kid Buu]

I'm surprised your post wasn't: Cell Arc is so uninteresting people would rather talk about Yamcha

[penguintruth]

No, the thread was originally about how poor reading comprehension leads to thinking people in the Cell arc are out of character. After everybody tired of that and moved onto talking about Yamucha, as it was clear to all that the Cell arc is great.

[Kid Buu]

VegettoEX should do another podcast about Yamcha.

"What is it about Yamcha that provokes such a strong emotional response from people?"

[Ninja Murasaki]

As for the Cell Saga, its not my favorite mostly due to the lack of humor, but I don't dislike it.