The Cell Saga Is The Lowest Rated Saga?

[Looneygamemaster]

how poor reading comprehension leads to thinking people in the Cell arc are out of character

Yes, it couldn't possibly be due to differing opinions.

[penguintruth]

how poor reading comprehension leads to thinking people in the Cell arc are out of character

Yes, it couldn't possibly be due to differing opinions.

Nope, poor comprehension skills.

I blame the school system.

[Flame Dragon]

Or maybe... because we talked about this, like, three or four times already? Just sayin'.

Topics in which ThatDBZGuy already discussed this, by derailing the discussion or opening a thread with subtle variations on the argument:

Unpopular DB Opinions
Plothole Reconciliation Thread
Reasons For Why Gohan Acted Like He Did In The Cell Games
What If Toriyama Tried To Make DBZ Deep?
Gohan Out of Character at Cell Games? Let's end this debate. (Opened by me because i wanted to get it over with)
The Cell Saga Is The Lowest Rated Saga? (Aka this one)


Honestly, we already discussed this, if you don't like the Cell Saga, there is nothing we can do to make you change idea. So there's no reason for us to keep beating this dead horse.

[penguintruth]

The thread about "ending the debate" sure did end the debate!

[Flame Dragon]

The thread about "ending the debate" sure did end the debate!

It did not, and i didn't really hold any hope, but i made that thread specifically for holding all the discussions regarding this. I throught "better to have one megathread than twelve identical ones".
Alas, my plan backfired horribly, since we found ourselves again in a new, copypasted thread. Discussing the same stuff we did in the four previous threads.

[RandomGuy96]

Boss Rabbit's men don't count. One, they're mooks. Two, Goku weakened them first.

Absolute bullcrap. The men had been standing for quite some time, and had fully recovered from Goku hitting them earlier.

And going by your logic, on tambourine, they're [img]the%20Dragon[/img], considering they're Boss Rabbits Righthand men.

I don't think this is unreasonable: one major victory he won on his own in the manga. Aside from Chiaotzu, assuming he counts, every other main fighter can claim to have done this.

The official daizenshuu already list his victories by himself if you will.

Goku - Yamcha is listed as defeating the in 4th Daizenshuu

Chi-Chi - One shotted her, this after she threw a blade hard enough to decapitate a T-rex.

We get it, you believe everything TFS says, fanatically hating Yamcha and everyone one who likes him. Well guess what, we don't want to hear your biased opinion anymore.

Yeah, proof that they fully recovered? I don't see that stated anywhere.

No. Tambourine was the second most prominent villain of the arc, the Boss Rabbit thugs were nameless faceless thugs to a very minor villain who was gone after a few chapters. It's the difference between beating Nappa and beating a Saibaman.

Wouldn't be the first time the Daizenshuu made an odd call. Yamcha never won any fight with Goku; both battles ended with Yamcha fleeing and Goku standing. At best, he drew him twice.

Would you really count Chi Chi as a major battle? It was a one-shot gag knockout. I guess you can count her if you really want to, but that just makes him look pathetic, if that's really his greatest solo victory.

On the Cell arc itself: ya'll know how I feel about this one. Lame villains, OOC behavior, ass-pulls, poor plotting, and a general lack of polish all come together to form a big stinker of an arc. So, to be original, I'm gonna list what I actually like about it:

-The battle with 20 and 19. Rather than coming across two stupid smug punks who are super overpowered for no reason, and roflstomp everyone with their gigantic power levels, the heroes encounter two cruel and brutal but seemingly harmless looking 'droids who start out weak (most people think weaker than Freeza), but are a threat because of their abilities, which have clearly portrayed limits and drawbacks despite being extremely useful. The heroes and villains do something other than outright overpower the other.
-I like that King Cold existed. It's better than leaving Freeza as a single specimen species in the manga, and he referenced having a father earlier anyway, so it made sense for him to be around. His death is also uber-satisfying, since he's such an insufferable moron.
-Imperfect Cell was a pretty cool villain, having a Daimao-esque quality to him. Alas, he quickly transformed into his stronger but dumber forms, and we had to wait until the mid-Buu arc to get a good scheming villain that stayed around for any significant amount of time.
-I like that Goku did very little, and how every character got their chance to shine. Trunks with Freeza/Cold and the androids/Cell, Piccolo with 20/Cell, Vegeta with 19/Cell, Gohan with the Cell Juniors/Cell, hell, even Ten got a little moment.
-Gohan taking out the Cell Juniors was pretty cool.
-Goku vs Cell is a fun fight.

[Kid Buu]

Finally found a connection between Yamcha and Cell.

[thatdbzguy]

Lame villains, OOC behavior, ass-pulls, poor plotting, and a general lack of polish

To be fair, that's all of DBZ, not just the Cell arc.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I don't think the villains were all lame. #17 and #18 made great villains. You had these tall, muscular, angry-looking guys fighting these short, scrawny, trendy-looking twins. They were creepy and intimidating and everything villains should be. It was great.




And then we got Cell, who's a fucking cicada.

[Flame Dragon]

I enjoyed 17 & 18 look as well. Loved that they looked like normal humans but were incredibly strong and menacing. Also loved that they wanted to hunt Goku down.
They just reminded me of Terminator in every single way, i was totally expecting their flesh to burn off in the final battle and reveal their cyborg bodies, similiar to Terminator villains.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Ironically in that interview, Yamcha's voice actor says he likes the Cell Saga the best.

I think most of the casual fanbase does outside this forum.

[goku the krump dancer]

Lame villains, OOC behavior, ass-pulls, poor plotting, and a general lack of polish

To be fair, that's all of DBZ, not just the Cell arc.

Can you name at least two out of character moments in the Saiyan arc?

Or the Freeza arc as well for that matter?

[Fionordequester]

So, DBZGuy, how do you explain this?

While the Saiyan and Freeza sagas are, for the most part, pretty tightly written, the Cell and Buu sagas don't exactly share that trait, at least not as much as previous sagas.

So in your opinion, which saga do you think is more flawed?

I prefer Dragon Ball Z over the original.

Not exactly an "unpopular" opinion, but probably a minority one on this website.

I have a few shirts (wearing one right now, actually) and I've shown pics of my collection online before, but I try not to talk about it too much in real life. I don't want to get somebody started on why they hate DBZ. I get enough of that on the internet. [Context: When in thread called "How Open Are You About Your Fandom?"]

I personally loved most of the new voice work, and am glad that they decided to be a bit more faithful to the manga. [Context: When in thread called "Were you satisfied by the English dub of Kai?"]

I never agreed with this complaint. Each saga in DBZ felt fresh and inventive to me. I guess people only pay attention to the whole "bad guy shows up and gets defeated" thing, which is not all each saga has to offer.

The fandom's general interpretation of Gohan's speech to Cell as "random pacifism". [Context: When in thread called "Biggest DB Disappointment"]

I can't think of a single time where I didn't like any of my favorite characters, let alone one.

They may do stupid/dickish things at times, but they still retain their likability for me.

Any complaint involving how the Dragon Balls were used/not used doesn't bother me, and that includes how often they bring back people from the dead. Apparently, I'm pretty much alone in not being bothered by this.

Complaints about Gohan's character in the Cell arc. I usually just don't agree with them. [Context: Common Complaints against the series that don't bother you?]

1. Cell
2. Freeza
3. Saiyan
4. Buu

The Buu arc, while enjoyable, felt incredibly unnecessary to me. Not to mention that the writing was at its sloppiest here. [Context: Rank the 4 Major Z Arcs from Best to Worst]

Out of the three more major characters of DBZ, which do you prefer the most?

My personal favorite is Goku. I love his overall attitude and personality.

Am I the only one who actually liked Perfect Cell?


I liked how he was basically an evil version of Goku with the new goal of actually proving his perfection instead of going "K, reached Perfect Form. I'll leave you guys alone now."

I'm curious, what's with the dislike for Gohan? I actually really like him, just not as much as Goku or Vegeta.

Yeah, I've dug through your past posts, and it looks like things didn't always used to be this way. I mean, even back then you kind of flip flopped on whether or not you liked the Cell Saga, and there was the occasional comment of "boy, Dragon Ball Z sure isn't a masterpiece" (similar to what you're doing now), but other than that...man you changed a lot in a year.

So what the heck happened? Did someone discover your love, and decide to shame you? Is all of this a way of trying to break away from something you see as "childish"? If so, it sounds like you need to stop listening to those people. You're never going to be happy for as long as you do.

EDIT: Or...see a psychologist, I guess, just in case you have some undiagnosed depressive disorder or something. Because those can really suck. A lot.

[Kid Buu]

Ironically in that interview, Yamcha's voice actor says he likes the Cell Saga the best.

I think most of the casual fanbase does outside this forum.

I've noticed this too.

For me, the last 3 arcs of Z all jump the shark at one point:

Namek: When Goku goes Super Saiyan
Cell: When Cell announces the Cell Games
Buu: When Potara is introduced

[ABED]

I still don't get what people have against the fight against Freeza after Goku goes Super Saiyan. The fight finally becomes competitive.

[RandomGuy96]

I still don't get what people have against the fight against Freeza after Goku goes Super Saiyan. The fight finally becomes competitive.

No, it becomes a curbstomp in Goku's favor. Just not quite as much of a curbstomp as the second part of the fight, with KK x10/x20 Goku vs 50-70% Freeza.

[Kid Buu]

Prior to Goku going Super Saiyan, the fight was more fun because the hero had to come up with different strategies to attack the foe (even if some of it is taken from the Vegeta battle). After he goes Super Saiyan, the hero doesn't really go through much struggle more and there was barely any tension.

[Gonstead]

I can't see how Super Saiyan is jumping the shark. It was foreshadowed as early as after the fight with Raditz and progressively became more and more mentioned. It was inevitable that something would come up from all of this.

[Saiga]

For me, Goku going Super Saiyan is the only redeeming part of the Namek arc after he shows up. Pretty sad since it was really good up until Goku arrived, retcons aside.

[Kid Buu]

The Recoome beatdown was a rehash of Nappa, but I did like how Ginyu defeated Goku. The Freeza battle could have been made shorter too, cut out James Cameron Freeza.

I call him Cameron Freeza now instead of Ridley Scott Freeza because Aliens is just as famous as Alien even though its a sequel, and Toriyama seems to like Cameron films.