What if 4Kids got DB?

[Flame Dragon]

Thank Kami 4Kids at least had the decency to back off and leave One Piece alone.

Speaking of One Piece, i hear the Funimation dub is getting a lot of flak, especially on YouTube.
I don't understand why through, it sounds amazing to me, not as good as the original japanese cast, but still nine thousand times better than the shitty 4Kids dub. Sanji voice rocks especially.

I can't believe there are actually some people on YouTube that complain about the Funi OP dub and want the 4Kids dub back.
WHAT.DA.FUCK.
Shit, Nostalgia is really a scary thing sometimes.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

He's just part of the furniture here, like an old man sitting in the corner of a retirement home rambling about the evils of communism all day.

*Needs to locate the amazing "Communism will come to the United States in the guise of liberalism" quote from decades ago*

He gave a of leeway to the Funi dub in that last statement, though, I don't see how what he said was wrong. Funimation's saving grace is that they got better, not that the damage was not there to begin with.

[Blade]

Thank Kami 4Kids at least had the decency to back off and leave One Piece alone.

They didn't abandon One Piece out of decency, they abandoned it because, as a company, they opted to change direction away from dubbing Anime.

He's just part of the furniture here, like an old man sitting in the corner of a retirement home rambling about the evils of communism all day.

*Needs to locate the amazing "Communism will come to the United States in the guise of liberalism" quote from decades ago*

He gave a of leeway to the Funi dub in that last statement, though, I don't see how what he said was wrong. Funimation's saving grace is that they got better, not that the damage was not there to begin with.

I'm not saying that he's totally unreasonable or that his opinions are nothing but diatribe - anything but, as I agree with some of what he has to say - I was just observing that he's by far the most prominent resident Funi-basher. It's clearly something that he's particularly sensitive about, and it doesn't take much of an excuse for him to be vocal about it. That's all.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I can't believe there are actually some people on YouTube that complain about the Funi OP dub and want the 4Kids dub back.
WHAT.DA.FUCK.
Shit, Nostalgia is really a scary thing sometimes.

There's something that we need to remember, though, which is that not everybody is aware of the changes that were made. I can recall two stories in my own personal life regarding just this (and the 4Kids One Piece dub).

Several years ago, I was a counselor at a summer camp. There was a group of kids there, aged 13-11, who were talking about how much the "new voices" (the FUNimation dub had debuted relatively recently) for One Piece "sucked." They defended the 4Kids voices and the 4Kids-dubbed version of the show with every fiber of their being (although, to my happiness, they did throw in, "I do like the new opening song though, that's much better than the one they had before"). In any event, I did my duty as a good citizen and informed them of how much the original show had been changed and modified, and by the time I was done explaining, I had managed to completely change their opinion.

In another instance, I remember talking to a friend of mine who was my own age who--again--defended the 4Kids dub with every fiber of his being, unaware of the changes that they made. It got to be a strangely heated fight on his part, because he kept insisting that it was a fantastic show and that he "didn't care if some blood was edited out." I informed him that it wasn't merely a matter of some visual censorship here and there, but he stuck to his guns. I see him five months later, and after saying hi to me he goes, "And by the way, you were right, the original Japanese One Piece is better."

Nostalgia can be a powerful factor, yes, but I think we often make the simple mistake of assuming that everybody knows what we know. That goes for Dragon Ball, too.

[dbzkfan543]

Back on topic...

Dragon Starz: Jarred Starry (Son Goku) and his son, Jimmy Starry (Son Gohan) have to play with the evil Mr. Badman (Vegeta) and his friend Nathan (Nappa). But when Jarred ends up getting sent to the outer reaches of Saturn's rings to train with the Mystical Blue-Man (Kaio-sama), how can he get back to New Jersey in time?

In addition, the concept of Saiyans will be completely eliminated, all tails will be erased, and Kame Sennin Muten Roshi will be a senile old coot name Mister Lenny who is complete comic relief. Since you can't get rid of the Oozaru, they will be called Mean Monkeys and, as in the Arabic dub, they will be summoned, not transformed into, and all deaths will be explained as departure to Saturn's rings. Then, in the Freeza portion, Freeza becomes Ms. Frosty, and Planet Vegeta will be removed from the plot since Saiyans never existed. The Cell portion will omit absorption scenes, as will the Boo portion.

In other words, hacked to pieces.

[penguintruth]

Looking back the Funimation dub of DBZ is far, far, faaaaaaaar superiour to the 4kids dub of One Piece.
All of the characters (bar Freeza) had voices that suited them, unlike One Piece where dubbed Luffy had one of the most annoying voices of all time and don't even get me started on Sanji.
Funimation didn't skip entire arcs of the canon story line
The violence and some blood were kept in tact, unlike in the 4kids dub of One Piece where if a guy with a buzzsaw with a hand punches you your clothes bearly get scratched.
No people were getting threatened shot with pop guns, water pistols and automatic hammer springs in Funimation's DBZ dub.
Honestly watch the dub of the History of Trunks and attempt to find even one small clip of the same level of dubbing quality in 4kid's One Piece dub.

To say that 4kids was only 'a few degrees worse' than Funimation's dub borderlines on insanity and denial as far as I'm concerned.

You're deluded. They're the same. 4Kids treated One Piece with the same level of outright hostility as Funimation did DBZ. Nostalgia clouds your mind. There are mere degrees of difference.

Just look at the scripts. The same "basic plot points but nothing other than that" approach applies.

All the characters had voices that suited them? What parallel universe are you living in? Many of their voices STILL don't suit them.

[Puto]

In FUNimation's defence, at least they didn't skip entire arcs. That's the only thing it has going for it though.

[Flame Dragon]

Funi edits can't be compared to the horror of the "Rubber Knife Scene".

[TheBlackPaladin]

They're the same. 4Kids treated One Piece with the same level of outright hostility as Funimation did DBZ.

Might "hostility" be too harsh a word? It suggests that they purposefully wanted to ruin the shows. Even in the depths of the darkness that was Season 3, I don't think FUNimation was trying to hurt the show. I think even when things began, Barry Watson was trying to be faithful to the original Japanese version in his mind, it's just that he innocently but woefully underestimated what constitutes a faithful adaptation.

[Ryuji-Otogi]

Looking back the Funimation dub of DBZ is far, far, faaaaaaaar superiour to the 4kids dub of One Piece.
All of the characters (bar Freeza) had voices that suited them, unlike One Piece where dubbed Luffy had one of the most annoying voices of all time and don't even get me started on Sanji.
Funimation didn't skip entire arcs of the canon story line
The violence and some blood were kept in tact, unlike in the 4kids dub of One Piece where if a guy with a buzzsaw with a hand punches you your clothes bearly get scratched.
No people were getting threatened shot with pop guns, water pistols and automatic hammer springs in Funimation's DBZ dub.
Honestly watch the dub of the History of Trunks and attempt to find even one small clip of the same level of dubbing quality in 4kid's One Piece dub.

To say that 4kids was only 'a few degrees worse' than Funimation's dub borderlines on insanity and denial as far as I'm concerned.

You're deluded. They're the same. 4Kids treated One Piece with the same level of outright hostility as Funimation did DBZ. Nostalgia clouds your mind. There are mere degrees of difference.

Just look at the scripts. The same "basic plot points but nothing other than that" approach applies.

All the characters had voices that suited them? What parallel universe are you living in? Many of their voices STILL don't suit them.

I'm not even a fan of the DBZ dub but it was notably better than 4K!Ds One Piece. FUNi didn't cut out episodes, 4K!Ds cut out a whopping 40 from One Piece. They trashed One Piece's story more than DBZ too, not to mention a number of straight-up wonky edits. The DBZ dub is cheesy but I don't feel like my intelligence is being grossly insulted every time I watch it.

[penguintruth]

Funi didn't cut out episodes

Wrong. They did, they just restored that material later when they redubbed the earlier seasons to sync up with Seasons 3 and beyond. And pretended the cuts never happened.

And the most interesting thing about the redub? They still used the same basic script and screwed up a bunch of scenes AGAIN. Sure, they got rid of the "YOUR FATHER WAS A BRILLIANT SCIENTIST" bit, but kept the "WE HAVE TO SHOW HIM WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE MERCIFUL" bit. Nice job, Funimation.

This perception that Funimation fixed all their mistakes is blatantly false.

The DBZ dub is cheesy but I don't feel like my intelligence is being grossly insulted every time I watch it.

You should. The DBZ dub actively insults the audience at every turn. They're telling you that you can't handle the characters, the situations, the contexts, for what they really are. They're saying that you need constant music, constant narration, constant exposition. They're even saying your attention span is so low that you can't handle orchestral music, you need HIP NEW MUSIC.

They're basically spitting in your face, and you're letting them, and smiling in return.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Funi didn't cut out episodes

Wrong. They did, they just restored that material later when they redubbed the earlier seasons to sync up with Seasons 3 and beyond. And pretended the cuts never happened.....They're telling you that you can't handle the characters, the situations, the contexts, for what they really are. They're saying that you need constant music, constant narration, constant exposition. They're even saying your attention span is so low that you can't handle orchestral music, you need HIP NEW MUSIC.

Well, I'm of the "forgive and forget" mentality as long as mistakes are corrected. So the cut episodes aren't a problem for me since they were put back in. Same deal with the music....since the first "Season Set," if one wants to watch the dub nowadays, they are no longer forced to listen to Faulconer's music, and only have to do so if they actively want to. So I no longer hold the cut episodes or Faulconer's music against them.

And even with the stuff that remains uncorrected, I still don't register it as an insult, or them telling me I "can't handle" something. I just register it as poor judgement with regard to how to make a dub, and a rather unfortunate call. I think they thought they were putting out a good product. Arguably, that's worse than an intentional insult (believing a not-so-great product is great), but I never took their dub as an intentional insult.

[WittyUsername]

Wow, I know the Funimation Z dub was flawed, but I don't think I've seen someone as passionate about their hatred for it as Penguintruth. Anyway, I'd say the fact that the Z dub was uncut and actually improved over time makes it better than the 4kids dub of One Piece by default, even if it wasn't as well made as the Kai dub.

[jjgp1112]

Goku and Vegeta would now be "Greg and Vincent," among other nonsensical changes that would make Funi's Z dub look like Kai.

[B]

It's always weird to me that years after 4Kids moved away from dubbing anime, they're still everyone's favorite punching bag.

I guess the "change Japanese names to generic American names like Gary" and "change a dangerous weapon to a sock" memes are just that funny to some people.

[Kid Buu]

It's always weird to me that years after 4Kids moved away from dubbing anime, they're still everyone's favorite punching bag.

What do they do now?

In all honestly, I actually really liked all of 4kids dub outside of One Piece, which I didn't watch because I wasn't a fan of the manga.

[jjgp1112]

Looking back the Funimation dub of DBZ is far, far, faaaaaaaar superiour to the 4kids dub of One Piece.
All of the characters (bar Freeza) had voices that suited them, unlike One Piece where dubbed Luffy had one of the most annoying voices of all time and don't even get me started on Sanji.
Funimation didn't skip entire arcs of the canon story line
The violence and some blood were kept in tact, unlike in the 4kids dub of One Piece where if a guy with a buzzsaw with a hand punches you your clothes bearly get scratched.
No people were getting threatened shot with pop guns, water pistols and automatic hammer springs in Funimation's DBZ dub.
Honestly watch the dub of the History of Trunks and attempt to find even one small clip of the same level of dubbing quality in 4kid's One Piece dub.

To say that 4kids was only 'a few degrees worse' than Funimation's dub borderlines on insanity and denial as far as I'm concerned.

You're deluded. They're the same. 4Kids treated One Piece with the same level of outright hostility as Funimation did DBZ. Nostalgia clouds your mind. There are mere degrees of difference.

Just look at the scripts. The same "basic plot points but nothing other than that" approach applies.

All the characters had voices that suited them? What parallel universe are you living in? Many of their voices STILL don't suit them.

FUNimation's treatment of Dragon Ball and the changes was considerably different from 4Kids. Like, not even within the same stratosphere. And I grew up watching Yu-Gi-Oh at the exact same time as I did watching Dragon Ball Z, so I don't know why you keep insisting on making this "Blinded by nostalgia" sweeping generalizations.

The only time the Z dub and 4kids were an apt comparison was with the "Ocean dub," because that was very much the exact same hackjob that 4Kids regularly put out. Definitely not for Season 3 and beyond, though.

[TheBlackPaladin]

It's always weird to me that years after 4Kids moved away from dubbing anime, they're still everyone's favorite punching bag.

What do they do now?

Now? Pretty much nothing. They technically still exist, having changed their name to 4Liscensing Corporation and successfully emerging from bankruptcy. However, the late 2000's was the beginning of the end for them. They have no properties to speak of, and the properties they once had are now in the hands of different companies. For all intents and purposes, you can think of 4Kids now as being like what Voldemort was pre-Goblet of Fire. They are not truly alive, nor truly dead. They just..........exist.

[El Diabeetus]

Don't they still dub Yu-Gi-Oh! new series' though?

Eh FUNi Z is only a step away from 4Kids stuff. Both are bastardized, FUNi Z is just a tad less compared to most 4Kids properties.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Don't they still dub Yu-Gi-Oh! new series' though?

Alas, nope. The dubbing is done by Konami themselves, now. They still use voice actors in the New York area, and they're using the studio that used to be 4Kids Productions, but 4Kids, for all intents and purposes, no longer has anything to do with YGO.