What if 4Kids got DB?

[El Diabeetus]

Don't they still dub Yu-Gi-Oh! new series' though?

Alas, nope. The dubbing is done by Konami themselves, now. They still use voice actors in the New York area, and they're using the studio that used to be 4Kids Productions, but 4Kids, for all intents and purposes, no longer has anything to do with YGO.

Ah, so it's kind of like the 4Kids -> TPCi thing with Pokémon, except the voice casts didn't really switch.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Don't they still dub Yu-Gi-Oh! new series' though?

Alas, nope. The dubbing is done by Konami themselves, now. They still use voice actors in the New York area, and they're using the studio that used to be 4Kids Productions, but 4Kids, for all intents and purposes, no longer has anything to do with YGO.

Ah, so it's kind of like the 4Kids -> TPCi thing with Pokémon, except the voice casts didn't really switch.

Yeah, pretty much. There's a small misconception that 4Kids is still involved because, as I mentioned, they're using the same studio, and it didn't help that they also renamed the studio from 4Kids Productions to 4K Media. The use of the number 4 suggests that 4Kids--now 4Liscensing--is still involved, which they're not.

Just sayin'...if it were up to me, I would have given the studio a new name entirely.

[Ringworm128]

Yeah from an objective standpoint Funi's Z is 4Kids tier but the biggest difference is that most of 4Kids stuff is hollow and unmememorable. Apart from Yugi summoning Exodia (better than the sub IMO) and the theme tune I remembered next to nothing of 4kids Yu Gi Oh dub because nothing stood out. Funi's Z has a small charm to it even if it is just "grahhhh hardcorz and Xtreeeeeeeeeemz!" with added cheese. And don't try and use the whole "blinded by nostalgia" excuse. I've only been into the show for a few years and didn't watch it as a kid. While I grew up on a few 4Kids dubs.

All the characters had voices that suited them? What parallel universe are you living in? Many of their voices STILL don't suit them.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... nionMyopia

[penguintruth]

FUNimation's treatment of Dragon Ball and the changes was considerably different from 4Kids. Like, not even within the same stratosphere. And I grew up watching Yu-Gi-Oh at the exact same time as I did watching Dragon Ball Z, so I don't know why you keep insisting on making this "Blinded by nostalgia" sweeping generalizations.

The only time the Z dub and 4kids were an apt comparison was with the "Ocean dub," because that was very much the exact same hackjob that 4Kids regularly put out. Definitely not for Season 3 and beyond, though.

Oh ye of little knowledge. First, the "Ocean dub" was produced by Funimation. So, yeah, Funimation. It counts.

Second, the only thing Season 3 changed, as far as the approach goes, was eventually there was uncut video. Still tons of name changes, dialogue changes, replacement music. Terrible, terrible voice acting. These practices continued to the end of the series and even into the redub of the first two seasons.

So yes, actually, the Funimation dub, whether the Ocean cast or the in house cast, is very much in the same league as the 4Kids dub of One Piece. Maybe not the star player in that league, but not exactly a benchwarmer.

The strong, blind delusions of some of you are just tragic. Funimation is essentially telling fans that they're stupid with the DBZ dub, and by enjoying it, fans are agreeing with them. They're laughing in your face! And more to the point, they're laughing in Toei and Toriyama's faces. The latter two parties are at least being paid, while fans are doing the paying to be mocked. It's basically masochism.

If Funimation did to any other show today what they did to DBZ back then, the streets of Fort Worth would run red with blood.

[Cure Dragon 255]

You speak as if Funimation didnt eventually release a subbed version of the show. Which they did. And if you hate the dub so much why not just ignore it and stick to the subs?

[penguintruth]

You speak as if Funimation didnt eventually release a subbed version of the show. Which they did. And if you hate the dub so much why not just ignore it and stick to the subs?

The dub isn't going to magically become good because I watch the Japanese version. My problem is with how the English version informs nearly the entire North American fandom of the show, people who assume that is the show, when it isn't.

It's gotten so when Funimation actually did improve their handling of this material in their Kai dub, a huge horde of people complained it wasn't enough like their previous English version. They wanted their terrible version again!

You can't even go to a viewing of a DBZ movie at an anime convention without somebody screaming, "SHOW THE ENGLISH VERSION, NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THIS!"

The English dub is like a never ending gift. And by gift, I mean the same crappy socks every Christmas.

[Cure Dragon 255]

You have a point there LOL!

You know what? I think you are right and I'm on your side.

[Ringworm128]

The strong, blind delusions of some of you are just tragic. Funimation is essentially telling fans that they're stupid with the DBZ dub, and by enjoying it, fans are agreeing with them. They're laughing in your face! And more to the point, they're laughing in Toei and Toriyama's faces. The latter two parties are at least being paid, while fans are doing the paying to be mocked. It's basically masochism.

Oh please when I watch Funi's Z I don't think "I'm so dumb, thanks Funi for making the show easy for me". Not being bothered by a more simple script doesn't make someone a masochist. Calling someone that or an idiot for enjoying Funi's dub is like calling someone a weeaboo because they like the sub version.

[Hellspawn28]

4kids pretty much died out after 2009. Who would take over DB if 4kids own the rights to DB. Dragon Ball is the reason why Funi became a big market and Funi might not exist without DB.

[Blade]

4kids pretty much died out after 2009. Who would take over DB if 4kids own the rights to DB. Dragon Ball is the reason why Funi became a big market and Funi might not exist without DB.

More to the point, Funimation wouldn't have even gotten anywhere near Dragonball if it wasn't for Gen Fukunaga's uncle being a big-shot at Toei.

I mean, you say what you want about the quality of the dub they delivered on either side of the debate, but the truth is that they were a tiny, no-name, no-budget company who under any normal circumstance wouldn't have landed the license for even an F-List anime property, let alone a commercial powerhouse like Dragonball. A company of Funimation's then size, and the circumstances surrounding them getting the license was, and still continues to be, totally unprecedented.

Granted, Dragonball's success in America was never guaranteed, and was far from a sure thing - totally the opposite actually, as at the time it looked destined to bomb from day one - perhaps owing to Toei's low estimations for its overseas commercial viability and Fukunaga's successful gambit at landing it. But nevertheless, if a similar licensing scenario were to happen in this day and age it would be totally unthinkable.

As it turns out though, controversy and points of contention to one side, Funimation went on to change and shape the overseas Anime industry forever. There's no way in hell that we'd be where we are in 2014 where Japanese companies consider Anime to be a global business if it wasn't for Funimation.

[Flame Dragon]

I kinda agree with penguintruth, specifically, it's not the simpler dub that bothers me (the italian dub was also really simple but accurate), it's Faulconer music that is insulting to me.
And the fucked up thing is that i actually like the score, there are some tracks i really love (no nostalgia, i was exposed to Faulconer music only recently), i don't actually hate the score.
It's the whole idea of the score that irks me. Who are you to say that i need a replacement score? Who are you to say that i won't like the original score? And most of all, who are you to say that i have a low attention span and need costant, loud music playing to not change channel? It's really insulting to my and our intelligence, in my opinion.
The score would've been amazing if it was placed better and at a lower volume (fuck sometimes i can't hear speech for how loud it is), one time i watched a YouTube video of Kai with Faulconer score, and the score was placed really well WITH ACTUAL SILENT MOMENTS, and it was beautiful!

So yeah, i kinda see where penguintruth is coming from, but Funi at least gave us Kai for redemption, so i thank them and it shows they actually CARE FOR THEIR FANS.
Funi Z Dub is still >>>>>>>>> 4Kids Dubs

At least only your hardcore fan side is insulted with the Z Dub, meanwhile 4Kids censoring insults EVERYONE, including kids (oh the irony). Every time 4Kids grabs a show, it becomes something out of Looney Tunes.

Even i as a kid would feel ashamed to see something that thinks i'm so stupid i can't handle freaking RICEBALLS!

[penguintruth]

The sad thing is, Funimation now has more respect for the series than most of the so-called fans in North America (dumb 16:9 releases aside).

Maybe the fans will catch up some day.

[Flame Dragon]

The sad thing is, Funimation now has more respect for the series than most of the so-called fans in North America (dumb 16:9 releases aside).

Maybe the fans will catch up some day.

I see more and more people defending and praising Dragon Ball Kai rather than the old dub. One day nostalgia will fade and Kai will be the new Z dub perhaps.

[The Monkey King]

You're deluded. They're the same. 4Kids treated One Piece with the same level of outright hostility as Funimation did DBZ. Nostalgia clouds your mind. There are mere degrees of difference.

Just look at the scripts. The same "basic plot points but nothing other than that" approach applies.

All the characters had voices that suited them? What parallel universe are you living in? Many of their voices STILL don't suit them.

I don't see how 'nostalgia blinded' I could be when I watched both dubs as a kid.
The voices (bar Freeza) are fine, some of the Japanese voices such as Vegeta, Piccolo and Freeza sound better, but there's nothing excrusiatingly bad about them.
And you know what? I actually prefer Funimation giving Goku, Adult Gohan, Goten and Bardock different voice actors that all actually did good jobs with their characters.

And I'm still waiting for my 4kids dub with the same quality of this scene from Funimation DBZ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liVERdqmyW0

God you'd think the Funimation dub of DBZ somehow burnt down your house.

[Blade]

God you'd think the Funimation dub of DBZ somehow burnt down your house.

It does amuse me how some people treat it like it's an atrocity straight out of Third Reich's suggestion box.

[jjgp1112]

FUNimation's treatment of Dragon Ball and the changes was considerably different from 4Kids. Like, not even within the same stratosphere. And I grew up watching Yu-Gi-Oh at the exact same time as I did watching Dragon Ball Z, so I don't know why you keep insisting on making this "Blinded by nostalgia" sweeping generalizations.

The only time the Z dub and 4kids were an apt comparison was with the "Ocean dub," because that was very much the exact same hackjob that 4Kids regularly put out. Definitely not for Season 3 and beyond, though.

Oh ye of little knowledge. First, the "Ocean dub" was produced by Funimation. So, yeah, Funimation. It counts.

Second, the only thing Season 3 changed, as far as the approach goes, was eventually there was uncut video. Still tons of name changes, dialogue changes, replacement music. Terrible, terrible voice acting. These practices continued to the end of the series and even into the redub of the first two seasons.

So yes, actually, the Funimation dub, whether the Ocean cast or the in house cast, is very much in the same league as the 4Kids dub of One Piece. Maybe not the star player in that league, but not exactly a benchwarmer.

The strong, blind delusions of some of you are just tragic. Funimation is essentially telling fans that they're stupid with the DBZ dub, and by enjoying it, fans are agreeing with them. They're laughing in your face! And more to the point, they're laughing in Toei and Toriyama's faces. The latter two parties are at least being paid, while fans are doing the paying to be mocked. It's basically masochism.

If Funimation did to any other show today what they did to DBZ back then, the streets of Fort Worth would run red with blood.

You have some nerve. Don't jump to accusing me of having little knowledge in such a condescending tone or jumping into absurd overdramatics over a children's cartoon without bothering to look into WHY I have "Ocean Dub" in quotation marks. You really don't think I don't already know that FUNimation produced that dub? I distinguished that from FUNimation's in-house dub because those are the distinctions people are used to seeing, and because the dubs were very much different from each other. Hell, I've even informed other users on here and other message boards of just that, so maybe YOU'RE "ye of little knowledge." Talk about cherry picking.

[B]

And you know what? I actually prefer Funimation giving Goku, Adult Gohan, Goten and Bardock different voice actors that all actually did good jobs with their characters.

I like how you bolded part of this; as if to imply that was the dealbreaker on whether or not the dub was going to be good. When in actuality, Kara Edwards and Sonny Strait as their respective Son characters are serviceable at best, and Schemmel and Hebert are a pain to listen to.

[TheBlackPaladin]

And more to the point, they're laughing in Toei and Toriyama's faces. The latter two parties are at least being paid, while fans are doing the paying to be mocked. It's basically masochism.

No, they're not laughing in Toei or Toriyama's faces...especially considering that Toei signed off on all the changes FUNimation made. That fact shouldn't be taken out of the equation, because if it is, it creates a very distorted image of the truth.

Secondly, the whole idea of a "purposeful insult"--unless you're joking and I just didn't pick up on it--is, to put it lightly, highly unlikely. If FUNimation were truly "laughing in our faces" and making the dub purposefully to insult people, that entails that FUNimation purposefully hired all the directors, voice actors, and writers, and said, "Find a way to make this show as terrible as possible." As I said before, even in the depths of the darkness that was Season 3, I don't believe for one second that that happened. I believe they tried to create what they thought was a good product and just came up (very, very) short.

[Attitudefan]

It's funny cause kids are not oblivious to what death is and usually when a show says "he's been sent to the next dimension" children, such as when I was still a youngin', just called it "death". Children are pretty perceptive to most adult oriented things, the dilemma is if that child and/or the parent is okay with it. It's not like children are unaware of cuts and brusing when they play outside stuff like that is bound to happen. Censoring blood and violence, especially in cases where it isn't extremely detailed. Dragonball's blood is tame in comparison to what home grown television broadcasts showed. I mean, I was severely frightened of anything horror back in the day, and things like Goosebumps had me screaming and crying where I'd run out of the room. That show, far more mature in its content and themes, had many children watching. It was the cool thing to watch. That is where I don't understand that censoring will bring up ratings when it is clear that most children want to be like their older siblings or parents, and be mature and cool around their friends; children can brag about maturity when they are watching 'mature' content. I mean, I wasn't allowed to watch Family Guy initially when it came out, but all my friends did. Gradually my parents allowed it.

For goodness sakes, I think it was Teletoon or YTV (here in Canada) that around Halloween had hours of horror which begun after supper time, like around 7. It had a rating of 14+ shows. Funnily enough, Dragonball was on around that time too along with a bunch of other cartoons on a normal weekday.

Seriously though, ratings go up when stuff like TV shows dig down into the gutter for content and that gets ratings. Treating children like people instead of dumb sheep is something that gets one respect from children themselves (you know, like that one family member who is considered the 'cool uncle' or 'cool older brother' because they treat young kids more or less as equals). And like I said earlier, children are aware of swear words (hearing it on TV sure isn't the first time kids will hear a bad word), death, and blood. Stuff like a fake rubber knives usually had gone over my head when I was little because to me, if it looked like a knife, was used like a knife to hurt and/or kill people, it is a knife! It was death, not the 'next dimension'.

I also hate the fact that companies like 4Kids, Saban, or Retro-FUNi, censor shows that a centred around "mature" content. If they want to be a company for toddlers, they should produce or obtain content produced for toddlers instead of censoring shows aimed at an older audience in the first place

[penguintruth]

And I'm still waiting for my 4kids dub with the same quality of this scene from Funimation DBZ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liVERdqmyW0

God you'd think the Funimation dub of DBZ somehow burnt down your house.

That scene:

- Too much inner exposition (that wasn't there in the original version) ("It's not fair..." Oh thanks, Trunks, tell us it's not fair, instead of letting us extrapolating that.)
- Terrible replacement music that ruins the mood
- Subpar acting

It's like they were going out of there way to drain all the genuine tragedy out of the scene and replace it with the most hammy, heavy-handed schlock they could muster.


And no, the DBZ dub didn't burn down my house, but it burnt down the DB fandom, and continues to burn today.