Freeza and his men all have stereotypically "gay" traits?

[ABED]

Okay, I was being a tad hyperbolic, but I still stand by my point. I'm not going to sugarcoat it by saying "a certain subgroup", because as an overall movement, I don't think they are as rational as you seem to assume. I don't think they are arguing in favor of equality before the law anymore.

Regardless of my choice of words, the point still stands, there are a number of people who will try to find fault in anything because they want to be rightfully indignant about something, even if an error is made innocently.

You are not helping your case in any way here.

Whatever valid points and solid reasoning you just had completely flew out the window. That's an end to THAT right there.

It would help if you were specific about your point of contention. What does the "that" refer to?

And no, I don't think my points and reasoning flew out the window.

[mAcChaos]

Feminists will find ANYTHING to complain about.

Whoa, whoa, WHOA.

You are not helping your case in any way here.

Whatever valid points and solid reasoning you just had completely flew out the window. That's an end to THAT right there.

You jump on him for that, but not that other person called him bigoted?

[Fizzer]

Okay, I was being a tad hyperbolic, but I still stand by my point. I'm not going to sugarcoat it by saying "a certain subgroup", because as an overall movement, I don't think they are as rational as you seem to assume. I don't think they are arguing in favor of equality before the law anymore.

Oh, I agree with you, I actually believe the matriarchy is already pretty much here on a social, everyday-life level, and a media level, I just try to avoid including equalists who are still using the word "feminist". I do see how it would interfere with the flow of your argument, though.

[ABED]

Okay, I was being a tad hyperbolic, but I still stand by my point. I'm not going to sugarcoat it by saying "a certain subgroup", because as an overall movement, I don't think they are as rational as you seem to assume. I don't think they are arguing in favor of equality before the law anymore.

Oh, I agree with you, I actually believe the matriarchy is already pretty much here on a social, everyday-life level, and a media level, I just try to avoid including equalists who are still using the word "feminist". I do see how it would interfere with the flow of your argument, though.

Fair enough.

I do think it's interesting that Freeza has some feminine traits. It puts people ill at ease, and I think that's all intentional on the character's part, and Toriyama's part. I don't know if ALL of his henchmen have stereotypically feminine or gay traits, but I'm open to the argument. I am glad that the word "stereotypical" was put in as part of the title.

[Fizzer]

I do think it's interesting that Freeza has some feminine traits. It puts people ill at ease, and I think that's all intentional on the character's part, and Toriyama's part.

I guess it's kind of like Him from the Power Puff Girls, to a lesser extent. Freeza also speaks in quite a childish way while in his final form, so at that point his a male space tyrant with little-girl features.

I don't know if ALL of his henchmen have stereotypically feminine or gay traits, but I'm open to the argument. I am glad that the word "stereotypical" was put in as part of the title.

I don't think it is all of them, but it seems to me like an unusually high number for a single group of characters.

[ABED]

I do think it's interesting that Freeza has some feminine traits. It puts people ill at ease, and I think that's all intentional on the character's part, and Toriyama's part.

I guess it's kind of like Him from the Power Puff Girls, to a lesser extent. Freeza also speaks in quite a childish way while in his final form, so at that point his a male space tyrant with little-girl features.

I don't know if ALL of his henchmen have stereotypically feminine or gay traits, but I'm open to the argument. I am glad that the word "stereotypical" was put in as part of the title.

I don't think it is all of them, but it seems to me like an unusually high number for a single group of characters.

Certainly among the more prominent members of his team.

Could you elaborate on Freeza speaking in a childish way?

[FrogTrigger]

I always thought they were just snobs as a kid

Still do

[Gaffer Tape]

Could you elaborate on Freeza speaking in a childish way?

Well, once he reaches his final form, he begins using the personal pronoun "boku," which is usually used by young boys (Gohan, for example).

[ABED]

Could you elaborate on Freeza speaking in a childish way?

Well, once he reaches his final form, he begins using the personal pronoun "boku," which is usually used by young boys (Gohan, for example).

What does boku mean?

I know translations between Japanese and English can be difficult, but could you give a parallel of something in English?

[Gaffer Tape]

Personal pronoun = I

[FrogTrigger]

is it weird that I thought of it as him saying boy like some folks call others "child" in an attempt to demean them?

It seems like a snooty thing to do

[Gaffer Tape]

Just wanted to add to my previous post. I'm pretty exhausted right now, and I admit the humor I perceived in being able to give a very simple response to ABED's statement about the subtle nuances was too much not to indulge in. But there's a site too!

Personal Pronoun Guide

While, yes, "boku" means "I," it's not the only word that does. The Japanese language contains several words that are all used as singular, first-person pronouns (not that there is a standalone plural, first-person pronoun in Japanese) depending on factors like age, gender, politeness, etc.

[ABED]

Personal pronoun = I

damnit, I don't know what's with me today, I need to slow down when I read.

[mAcChaos]

Could you elaborate on Freeza speaking in a childish way?

Well, once he reaches his final form, he begins using the personal pronoun "boku," which is usually used by young boys (Gohan, for example).

Maybe Freeza is young for his race?

[Fizzer]

Could you elaborate on Freeza speaking in a childish way?

Well, once he reaches his final form, he begins using the personal pronoun "boku," which is usually used by young boys (Gohan, for example).

Maybe Freeza is young for his race?

I believe that when he's in his first form, he uses a personal pronoun associated with old people, but I could be wrong.

[mAcChaos]

Yeah, but that's the form he uses as his face when dealing with others. The final form is his true form, so maybe his talk changes because he isn't keeping up appearances.

[Fizzer]

Yeah, but that's the form he uses as his face when dealing with others. The final form is his true form, so maybe his talk changes because he isn't keeping up appearances.

Maybe his other forms are artificially aged versions of himself :O

[Gaffer Tape]

No, he doesn't use a specific old person personal pronoun. In his first form, he generally uses "watashi," a gender-neutral, polite form. In his beefy second form, he uses "ore," a less polite, more masculine form. In his third from, he generally goes back to "watashi" again. However, in both his first and third forms, he uses a hyper-polite form, "watakushi" when explaining his transformations. And he only uses "boku" in his final form until he comes back from the genki dama. At that point, he starts using "ore" again. So I think the uses indicate more what he looks like, what kind of mood he's in, than anything else.

And, of course, all of this information can be found in the personal pronoun guide I linked to earlier.

[Fizzer]

No, he doesn't use a specific old person personal pronoun. In his first form, he generally uses "watashi," a gender-neutral, polite form. In his beefy second form, he uses "ore," a less polite, more masculine form. In his third from, he generally goes back to "watashi" again. However, in both his first and third forms, he uses a hyper-polite form, "watakushi" when explaining his transformations. And he only uses "boku" in his final form until he comes back from the genki dama. At that point, he starts using "ore" again. So I think the uses indicate more what he looks like, what kind of mood he's in, than anything else.

And, of course, all of this information can be found in the personal pronoun guide I linked to earlier.

Ah, "watakushi" was the one I was thinking of. I got mixed up between "for old people" and "very polite" for some reason. Perhaps I was thinking of "washi"?

I've read the pronoun guide before, probably more than once. I would have checked it again when posting earlier, but I've been using a mobile decide and it's quite a bit of fuss. Thanks for clearing that up, anyway.

[El Diabeetus]

I guess it's kind of like Him from the Power Puff Girls, to a lesser extent. Freeza also speaks in quite a childish way while in his final form, so at that point his a male space tyrant with little-girl features.

Do find it interesting you used Him as an example. If I remember correctly, in Power Puff Z Ryuusei Nakao is the voice of him.

I could kind of see where someone could get 'gay' out of Freeza. He does speak with effeminty and has a tad bit of flamboyance in his voice if you're listening to Nakao's or Ayres' Freeza. His underlings, eh, other than Zarbon being a tad too obsessed with his appearance could be one example (although others have answered that with narcissism/pretty boy (bishonen) trope parody). Can't really see any other's though. Only openly gay DB characters I can think of are Blue and Otokosuki (literally Man Lover).