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What if Toriyama gave us

Post by xmysticgohanx » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:57 pm

An official power level for one, just one, person who would you pick for him to reveal? I would have to go with either Ultimate Gohan (to see how big the gap is between him and Goku), Beerus (obv reasons), Videl (sounds weird I know but just to see how she compares with early DB) or Bardock. If you can't think of one maybe somebody who you think would help us the most to determine others.
Edit: I mean any official source.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:00 pm

Perfect Cell. That would make the rest relatively easy to figure out, I think.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:04 pm

Gohan to shut up the fans about the SSj3 Goku vs. Mystic Gohan debates over the years.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Kid Buu » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:10 pm

Chaozu because he is broken as fuck.

Did you know Toriyama originally intended for Chaozu to one-shot both Beers and Whis at the same time, but had to rewrite the script because Chaozu's VA got sick?
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:28 pm

The power level of his wife when she's mad at him. Every man fears his girl when she mad.

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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Zephyr » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:37 am

King Cold. Would be cool to see exactly how he compares to Freeza's forms and the Super Saiyans.

The farther into the story we go from there, the greater the chance of Toriyama overlooking some detail that only the fans pay attention to, and causing some glaring inconsistency with already established norms, concepts, scaling, etc.

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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Savage68 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:12 am

Maybe Super Saiyan 3 Goku? I dunno. If there's one thing I've noticed about the fandom, though, it's that if you've been arguing a certain stance for years, nothing will change your mind. I doubt if anyone would take Toriyama's word on battle powers with more than a grain of salt these days.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Gohan to shut up the fans about the SSj3 Goku vs. Mystic Gohan debates over the years.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Low Tone G » Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:53 am

The power level of Super Perfect Cell, SSJ2 Gohan(healty and injured), Ultimate Gohan & SSJ3 Goku's full power, Rage Vegeta(and also he was SSJ2 or just SSJ1?). Vegetto's maximum power(and if it's below Godly realm). As for God Goku, Beerus and Whis I don't care as we already have power levels.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:13 am

I honestly don't know. If. I had faith in Toriyama, I'd say base BOG Goku, because we could then scale everyone around him and his respective SS forms, which we already have the multipliers for. But. I have a feeling he'd end up contradicting SOMETHING out of poor memory. So... I guess Android 16.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by dario03 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:18 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Gohan to shut up the fans about the SSj3 Goku vs. Mystic Gohan debates over the years.
How would knowing Gohan's power level do that? We don't know how powerful Goku is. If we take the statement of Goku not being able to beat Freeza in base as fact then we could get a estimate of Goku but it could still vary by a decent bit. And some people don't take that statement as fact and some probably wouldn't take a new Toriyama statement as fact either.

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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Blade » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:21 am

Nobody.

In fact, I don't want to hear any more in-universe information from Toriyama regarding character strength, as it will likely be entirely off-the-cuff, will disregard the majority of previously established in-universe events that he's long since forgotten and will lead to a subsequent shit-storm as fans clamber to revise their power-level charts to accommodate some new and entirely contradictory information.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Low Tone G » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:27 am

dario03 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Gohan to shut up the fans about the SSj3 Goku vs. Mystic Gohan debates over the years.
How would knowing Gohan's power level do that? We don't know how powerful Goku is. If we take the statement of Goku not being able to beat Freeza in base as fact then we could get a estimate of Goku but it could still vary by a decent bit. And some people don't take that statement as fact and some probably wouldn't take a new Toriyama statement as fact either.
As for Goku being inferior in SSJ3 basing on he could not beat Freeza in base for me it seems very believable. But some fans tend to base on those facts that some SSJ levels can be maxed out (as the Basic Super Saiyan level can be maxed out to a Full Powered one, and the difference is at least 10x - which can be considered true). But Toriyama also mentioned in an interview that all the heroes are on their maximum strength during Battle of Gods time, so Goku could or could not become a lot stronger since Majin Buu saga, that is still a secret.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:42 am

Id rather get a multiplier for SSJ4 and a more detailed description of how the Fusion Dance and Potarra Earrings worked.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by ABED » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:47 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Id rather get a multiplier for SSJ4 and a more detailed description of how the Fusion Dance and Potarra Earrings worked.
Magic, it would all be gobbledygook, so I'm not sure what you're asking for with a better description.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Saiga » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:56 am

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KentalSSJ6 wrote:Id rather get a multiplier for SSJ4 and a more detailed description of how the Fusion Dance and Potarra Earrings worked.
Magic, it would all be gobbledygook, so I'm not sure what you're asking for with a better description.
I think he means more specifics on how the strength of the fusion is determined, given the thread's topic. Like if it adds the fusees and multiplies by a set number, or whatever else it could be.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:38 am

TheGmGoken wrote:The power level of his wife when she's mad at him. Every man fears his girl when she mad.
Heh. Actually, that gives me my own answer. If Toriyama must give us strength information, let him reveal what he thinks his own power level would be. :P
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by B » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:51 am

I don't think it really matters; if the power level-obsessed don't like the new information, they'll just disregard it and the "debates" will rage as they always have.

So, I guess in that respect, it'd be nice if it were something like Buu or Ultimate Gohan or Vegetto, just to have something official to shut things down with.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Herms » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:10 pm

Blade wrote:In fact, I don't want to hear any more in-universe information from Toriyama regarding character strength, as it will likely be entirely off-the-cuff, will disregard the majority of previously established in-universe events that he's long since forgotten and will lead to a subsequent shit-storm as fans clamber to revise their power-level charts to accommodate some new and entirely contradictory information.
Curiously, this is precisely the reason I kinda want Toriyama to rattle off more battle powers and whatnot.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Blade » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:18 pm

Herms wrote:
Blade wrote:In fact, I don't want to hear any more in-universe information from Toriyama regarding character strength, as it will likely be entirely off-the-cuff, will disregard the majority of previously established in-universe events that he's long since forgotten and will lead to a subsequent shit-storm as fans clamber to revise their power-level charts to accommodate some new and entirely contradictory information.
Curiously, this is precisely the reason I kinda want Toriyama to rattle off more battle powers and whatnot.
Some people just want to watch the world burn! :lol:

But given that you actually try to keep tabs on things pretty comprehensively with your strength-checker compilations, wouldn't it provide you with a fairly sizable headache too?
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by auspx » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:55 pm

xmysticgohanx wrote:An official power level for one, just one, person who would you pick for him to reveal? I would have to go with either Ultimate Gohan (to see how big the gap is between him and Goku), Beerus (obv reasons), Videl (sounds weird I know but just to see how she compares with early DB) or Bardock. If you can't think of one maybe somebody who you think would help us the most to determine others.
Bardock. AT has said that Bardock was a low-class warrior who isn't able to become a mid-class (i.e. he was weaker than Nappa). Well then, how weak was he? What is a "mid-class" power level? How powerful can a "low-class" saiyan warrior be before he's no longer considered a "low-class"?

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