Buu Saga Kai

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Freeza Soldier #156 » Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:59 pm

Since we were discussing the possibility of there being no redrawn scenes in Buu Kai, I just thought I would bring up this post from dbgt that was posted awhile back that I just remembered:
dbgt wrote: The Toei representative I mentioned that appeared on stage was Norihiro Hayashida; one of the producers of the Majin Buu Arc.

He mentioned that its their intention to make this Arc as faithful to the manga as possible, some examples are:

Majin Buu with crossed arms (left arm on top of right) in manga but it was the opposite on the anime:
Another example that will be fixed is Goku´s halo that was missing during a scene from the anime:
and some other little mistakes will be fixed to be as faithful to the manga as possible

I have not confirmed these mistakes, I'm lazy to check, and I repeat, i got this from a Japanese site. (my Japanese is far from perfect and that was what I understood, I didnt catch these at the event there was a lot of noise as it was an open stage)
They at least did redraw a few scenes in order to correct some mistakes present in the original anime. I also think this is interesting since it was stated that their main goal was to make this arc as faithful to the manga as possible, yet with the bloated episode count TOEI threw out there, there is no way they removed as much of the filler as they could. I'm still really hoping that the episode count isn't that high. As I stated above, 45-50 would be ideal.

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Post by UltimateHammerBro » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:01 am

Well, is the position of Buu's arms THAT important? Goku's halo is, but come on.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:12 pm

So there's redrawn bits in Majin Boo arc? That's interesting I haven't noticed but that's a good thing because it means the animation is consistent to the rest unlike the Old Kai.
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:42 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:So there's redrawn bits in Majin Boo arc? That's interesting I haven't noticed but that's a good thing because it means the animation is consistent to the rest unlike the Old Kai.
Oh yeah! Just occurred to me I haven't seen a poorly redrawn scene since it started back up.
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Post by Basaku » Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:07 pm

UltimateHammerBro wrote:Well, is the position of Buu's arms THAT important? Goku's halo is, but come on.
Lol like seriosuly, who in the world cares about Buu's arms position? :lol:

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Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:22 pm

Freeza Soldier #156 wrote:They at least did redraw a few scenes in order to correct some mistakes present in the original anime. I also think this is interesting since it was stated that their main goal was to make this arc as faithful to the manga as possible, yet with the bloated episode count TOEI threw out there, there is no way they removed as much of the filler as they could. I'm still really hoping that the episode count isn't that high. As I stated above, 45-50 would be ideal.
Uh...
I have not confirmed these mistakes, I'm lazy to check, and I repeat, i got this from a Japanese site. (my Japanese is far from perfect and that was what I understood, I didnt catch these at the event there was a lot of noise as it was an open stage)
Yeah, I'm not believing it until I see these supposed "redrawn shots".
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:45 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Where is everyone getting the information that Nozawa said the episode count will be halved from Z?
Are you sure it wasn't misphrased? (if that's a word).

Also, actors do have a tendency to lie. Not sure why'd she lie about this but people really shouldn't take what actors says serious.
Well she does voice EVERY SON MALE. So I'm sure it felt like half to her :lol:

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:01 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Well she does voice EVERY SON MALE. So I'm sure it felt like half to her :lol:
Those and more.

Son Goku
Son Gohan (not Grandpa Son Gohan)
Son Goten
Bardock
Tullece

The only one missing is Raditz which is Son's brother but it's understandable why she didn't voice him because it'd have been a dead give away that they're related. Now why would she voice Tullece? Tullece's an Evil Son and looks exactly the same as the authentic Son.
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Post by Freeza Soldier #156 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:58 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Freeza Soldier #156 wrote:They at least did redraw a few scenes in order to correct some mistakes present in the original anime. I also think this is interesting since it was stated that their main goal was to make this arc as faithful to the manga as possible, yet with the bloated episode count TOEI threw out there, there is no way they removed as much of the filler as they could. I'm still really hoping that the episode count isn't that high. As I stated above, 45-50 would be ideal.
Uh...
Thank you for your brilliant insight? :eh: I would love to hear more.

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Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:05 pm

Freeza Soldier #156 wrote:Thank you for your brilliant insight? :eh: I would love to hear more.
I'm saying we shouldn't treat it as a certainty is all.
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Post by Freeza Soldier #156 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:07 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Freeza Soldier #156 wrote:Thank you for your brilliant insight? :eh: I would love to hear more.
I'm saying we shouldn't treat it as a certainty is all.
Agreed. Sorry, just didn't know what you were trying to say. :)

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Post by Hujio » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:06 am

DarkPrince_92 wrote:Oh yeah! Just occurred to me I haven't seen a poorly redrawn scene since it started back up.
Well, that's because there haven't been any. And with the way things have been going, I honestly think there won't be any this time around, but that could always change.

On a different note... I'm not really sure this is news post worthy for the main site, so I'll just post it here. After finally creating a page for the home video releases I've noticed a few things worth pointing out.

Widescreen Only: So no real big shock here, since it's mostly been discussed already, but both DVD and Blu-ray releases will be in widescreen. However, and this is just my honest opinion, I really don't think a fullscreen version was even produced this time around. Now the film was probably scanned in fullscreen, but I believe all the post production and editing was done on an already cropped master. Besides just a gut feeling, most of my evidence comes from promotional material and Toei's official episode summaries, both of which only feature widescreen screen shots. There have been no fullscreen shots of the Majin Buu arc anywhere, which is the exact opposite of the first iteration of Kai. Again, that's just my opinion, but I'm about 90% confident it's the truth.

Episode Count: Just like the last home video releases there will be 12 episodes per box set, but this go around they are dividing them up differently. This time there will be 6 episodes per disc instead of the 3 per disc like last time. And while that may not be all that bad, the price point is exactly the same as it was last time, although for half the discs (2 instead of 4). So let's do the math real quick -- less production costs + the same price point (~$148.00) = more profit! Yep, that sounds about right. I guess we're getting booklets though, so that more than makes up for it, right?
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:56 am

dbboxkaifan wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Well she does voice EVERY SON MALE. So I'm sure it felt like half to her :lol:
Those and more.

Son Goku
Son Gohan (not Grandpa Son Gohan)
Son Goten
Bardock
Tullece
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Blade » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:08 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbboxkaifan wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Well she does voice EVERY SON MALE. So I'm sure it felt like half to her :lol:
Those and more.

Son Goku
Son Gohan (not Grandpa Son Gohan)
Son Goten
Bardock
Tullece
Why do everybody forget Son Goku Jr.?
I guess a lot of people still like to pretend GT never happened. :lol:
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Post by Gonstead » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:36 am

Blade wrote: I guess a lot of people still like to pretend GT never happened. :lol:
But the GT special is kinda good though :(
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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:45 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbboxkaifan wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Well she does voice EVERY SON MALE. So I'm sure it felt like half to her :lol:
Those and more.

Son Goku
Son Gohan (not Grandpa Son Gohan)
Son Goten
Bardock
Tullece
Why do everybody forget Son Goku Jr.?
Cause I was counting Z only hence why I said to Nozawa the episode count felt like half since she voices 3 characters in Boo Arc (4 with Vegetto) and 5 overall in Z

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Post by Valerius Dover » Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:26 am

Ok, maybe I'm in the dark here, but do people in Japan actually pay that much for such small DVD sets? I mean, these prices are insane! :shock:
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Post by Vegard Aune » Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:33 am

Valerius Dover wrote:Ok, maybe I'm in the dark here, but do people in Japan actually pay that much for such small DVD sets? I mean, these prices are insane! :shock:
Yes, Japanese DVD-releases are generally priced pretty insane. At least with anime. I never looked all that closely at the prices for other movies... but it's like, the regular edition DVD of Battle of Gods cost 3800 yen. The limited edition BluRay, 8800. I bought the first two Puella Magi Madoka Magica movies via the limited edition BluRay dual feature release... 11000 yen. And seeing how that was for two movies, I actually considered that comparatively cheap by Japanese standards.

So yeah, there is a reason why Japanese publishers are ever fearful of reverse-importing. Because their own prices are so high that reverse-importing from the US or indeed anywhere else, would still be cheaper than just buying the Japanese release. Unless the international distributer is Aniplex. In which case they'll just release whatever it is they're selling at the exact same price-range everywhere.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Metalwario64 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:06 pm

Freeza Soldier #156 wrote:Agreed. Sorry, just didn't know what you were trying to say. :)
Well, kei17 just mentioned the producer having said those very same things, so it indeed seems to be accurate after all... which honestly kind of blows my mind.
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Post by kei17 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:13 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Freeza Soldier #156 wrote:Agreed. Sorry, just didn't know what you were trying to say. :)
Well, kei17 just mentioned the producer having said those very same things, so it indeed seems to be accurate after all... which honestly kind of blows my mind.
Not sure about Buu's arms, but I've seen some posts mentioning Goku's halo thing on 2ch.

Edit: Found it. http://maguro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ani ... 840316/918

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