The Cell Saga Is The Lowest Rated Saga?

[Kid Buu]

I think he meant more that it was the saga that surprised him most.

I guess so, this arc does really feel the least DB-like of the bunch.

I'd ask him about it if I ever meet him, but why talk about DB when I can talk Gundam, Saint Seiya, and Sailor Moon with him?

[Ninja Murasaki]

So where's this evidence that they were completely fine? Bruises disappearing happens all the time in the manga, but I don't see why standing around for a little while would suddenly heal you.

Toriyama would've drawn them having trouble standing, with visible bruises, ETC. As it is, everything about how they looked, and moved, combined with their long period of recovery time particularly for Early DB which is very Zany, says they were not wounded.

I don't really have to go out of my way to do so.

Stuff like arguing the Rabbit members were wounded is very much going out of your way to do so.

Stuff like the description of the Buu vs Gohan battle making it sound like Gohan showed up and got absorbed immediately, the first stage of the battle with Freeza being listed as "Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta vs Freeza" even though Piccolo was also involved, the Pure Buu battle being declared "Goku's glorious victory!" even though he barley did anything, etc.

Made it sound like doesn't mean it is. The piccolo thing is a minor typo.

Do you know what a moral victory is? Because this wasn't one. It was a complete and practical victory, that ended with Goku and co NOT dying or being robbed.

It was a battle loss for Goku, and battle victory for Yamcha because Goku was out of energy.

Moral Victory was not dying, or getting robbed.

That you're arguing against this despite both the Narrator, and the Daizenshuu's saying Yamcha won is another example of you going out of your way to bash Yamcha for the sake of bashing.

On another subject, its unlikely Yamcha seriously wanted to kill Goku in the first place. Besides his statement of not wanting to hurt Goku too much, Yamcha had an Unconscious Goku in the camper, and all he did was hide him.

Yes, he was getting beaten on and left after attacking. How is that not a victory for the defender, again?

Yamcha wasn't out of energy, he prematurely ended the battle because his vanity was hurt.

And I told you why I disagreed with such a perception.

And I told you why it seems to me like you're ignoring, or downplaying them for the sake of bashing Yamcha who you strongly dislike.

Which ones? Trying and failing to rob a starving Goku, and just like Goku losing the will to fight due to outside factors? Or trying again to attack Goku only to get knocked on his ass and sent running?

* Had Goku on the ropes in the first battle, with the saiyan only being saved by Bulma's intervention. Yamcha won according to multiple offical sources.
* Beat Chi-Chi effortlessly, keep in mind the girl had just prior thrown a blade strong enough to fly all the way through a t-rex's head.
* One shotted the Rabbit Mob.
* Strong enough to paralyze Oozaru Goku with his strength alone in the manga.

It's still three sources directly stating Yamcha's inferiority to Raditz.

We also have several sources Yamcha beat Goku in their first battle but you ignore it anyway.

He was there for a while, and had several sparring partners. Anyone would've gotten a tremendous power boost in that case. Goku got a x20 boost in one year, even though for half the time he was learning techniques that Yamcha didn't learn. Yamcha may have gotten a similar or more likely larger boost, but Tenshinhan, Krillin, Gohan Piccolo, Vegeta, and Goku all got boosts that completely left him in the dust at the same time (again), and his new power was exactly enough to be completely worthless one-shot fodder. Soooo... how is that impressive?

Only Tenshinhan, and Krillin count because they're the only ones who aren't superpowered Alien warrior races with an innate advantage. Becoming one of the three strongest humans alive is unimpressive now?

Actually its pretty clear that if Krillin, or Tenshinhan had met with Gero/Android 20, they would've met the same fate. Though Tenshinhan could delay it with Tribeam.

More importantly, what does this have to do with him being weaker than Raditz in the Saiyan arc?

That Yamcha surpassed him.

Additionally that source said there was only by 20 difference in power between them. They're were almost perfectly equal at that point. Again, really impressive for a human.

I guess so, this arc does really feel the least DB-like of the bunch.

I'd ask him about it if I ever meet him, but why talk about DB when I can talk Gundam, Saint Seiya, and Sailor Moon with him?

Why not all four?

[Kid Buu]

Actually its pretty clear that if Krillin, or Tenshinhan had met with Gero/Android 20, they would've met the same fate. Though Tenshinhan could delay it with Tribeam.

Eh, Gero probably could have just absorbed the Tribeam.

I guess so, this arc does really feel the least DB-like of the bunch.

I'd ask him about it if I ever meet him, but why talk about DB when I can talk Gundam, Saint Seiya, and Sailor Moon with him?

Why not all four?

Hmm, he was also in Inuyasha. Man has been all over the place.

It's a shame Tenshinhan's original voice actor has died, he co-starred with Furuya in a lot of series. They must be rivals or something. Ironically, I remember Suzuoki saying he is more like Yamcha than Tenshinhan.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Eh, Gero probably could have just absorbed the Tribeam.

Possibly.

Hmm, he was also in Inuyasha. Man has been all over the place.

It was kind of a minor role, I believe.

It's a shame Tenshinhan's original voice actor has died, he co-starred with Furuya in a lot of series. They must be rivals or something. Ironically, I remember Suzuoki saying he is more like Yamcha than Tenshinhan.

I believe Yamcha, and Tenshinhan's friendship was partially based on Suzoki, and Furuya's real life friendship. They were also together in Gundam.

[Kid Buu]

Hmm, he was also in Inuyasha. Man has been all over the place.

It was kind of a minor role, I believe.

Yeah he voices the Shikon Jewel in the very last episode of Final Act, but I love that he appears in all my favourite series.

It's a shame Tenshinhan's original voice actor has died, he co-starred with Furuya in a lot of series. They must be rivals or something. Ironically, I remember Suzuoki saying he is more like Yamcha than Tenshinhan.

I believe Yamcha, and Tenshinhan's friendship was partially based on Suzoki, and Furuya's real life friendship. They were also together in Gundam.

Also together in Saint Seiya. Japanese Tenshinhan voices Kuno in Ranma 1/2, while English Yamcha voices him in the dub. So many connections.

I did enjoy their friendship in the cartoon, in Budokai 2 you could fuse them to make Tiencha.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Yeah he voices the Shikon Jewel in the very last episode of Final Act, but I love that he appears in all my favourite series.

That is a bigger role then what I thought.

Also together in Saint Seiya. Japanese Tenshinhan voices Kuno in Ranma 1/2, while English Yamcha voices him in the dub. So many connections.

That last one is kinda a stretch, but it is interesting none the less. I think they both did voices for guest characters in Urusei Yatsura, though not in the same episodes.

Half of the time, their characters seem to be rivals as well.

I did enjoy their friendship in the cartoon, in Budokai 2 you could fuse them to make Tiencha.

I'm kind of surprised there aren't more fusions.

[Kid Buu]

That is a bigger role then what I thought.

Yup, only appears in the end, but he does play the real major villain in the series.

That last one is kinda a stretch, but it is interesting none the less. I think they both did voices for guest characters in Urusei Yatsura, though not in the same episodes.

Half of the time, their characters seem to be rivals as well.

Still need to track down Urusei Yatsura, big fan of Takahashi.

Haven't seen too much on Gundam as much as I would like too! penguintruth will have to confirm if their characters are rivals or not.

I'm kind of surprised there aren't more fusions.

Eh, what else would there be? Not many rivalry's.

[RandomGuy96]

Toriyama would've drawn them having trouble standing, with visible bruises, ETC. As it is, everything about how they looked, and moved, combined with their long period of recovery time particularly for Early DB which is very Zany, says they were not wounded.

Stuff like arguing the Rabbit members were wounded is very much going out of your way to do so.

Not really, no. They were just beaten up, it's common sense that they wouldn't be in peak condition.

Made it sound like doesn't mean it is. The piccolo thing is a minor typo.

It's not really that it made it sound like something, it just outright didn't acknowledge any of the other events. And the Goku vs Pure Buu thing stands as an example of the Daizenshuu having weird judgement on these things. I'll have more examples if I can ever find that battle list.

It was a battle loss for Goku, and battle victory for Yamcha because Goku was out of energy.

Moral Victory was not dying, or getting robbed.

No. A moral victory is when you lose, but win on moral grounds, e.g. by upholding your principles. Surviving a bandit's attempt to kill/rob you isn't a "moral" victory, it's just a victory.

That you're arguing against this despite both the Narrator, and the Daizenshuu's saying Yamcha won is another example of you going out of your way to bash Yamcha for the sake of bashing.

That's the way the Daizenshuu interpreted it. I disagree, as he failed in his objective and was sent running.

Yamcha wasn't out of energy, he prematurely ended the battle because his vanity was hurt.

Again. He picked a fight with the intention to rob Goku, was knocked on his ass, and was sent fleeing. That's a clear cut victory for Goku.

And I told you why it seems to me like you're ignoring, or downplaying them for the sake of bashing Yamcha who you strongly dislike.

To "strongly dislike" him, I'd have to actually care about him. Which I don't; outside of the fun of mocking him, he's pretty bland and unremarkable.

* Had Goku on the ropes in the first battle, with the saiyan only being saved by Bulma's intervention. Yamcha won according to multiple offical sources.

Not according to what we saw in the manga.

* Beat Chi-Chi effortlessly, keep in mind the girl had just prior thrown a blade strong enough to fly all the way through a t-rex's head.

This would be an example, but I wouldn't exactly define a one-shot gag knockout of a little girl as a "major victory".

* One shotted the Rabbit Mob.

Not a major battle (nameless, faceless thugs around for a couple of chapters), likely already weakened.

* Strong enough to paralyze Oozaru Goku with his strength alone in the manga.

Needed help to defeat Oozaru Goku.

We also have several sources Yamcha beat Goku in their first battle but you ignore it anyway.

The difference is one is an out of universe source directly stating information never shown in the manga, while the other is just the way a guidebook interprets the result of a battle, which I disagree with. Like some of their other interpretations (like saying Evil Boo and SS3 Gotenks fought evenly, even though we plainly saw SS3 Gotenks kick the shit out of Boo).

Only Tenshinhan, and Krillin count because they're the only ones who aren't superpowered Alien warrior races with an innate advantage. Becoming one of the three strongest humans alive is unimpressive now?

Not in the context of the manga, as not only is his power useless, but that's not really him being impressive, it's just him getting extraordinary training most others don't. And even with that training, he still trails far behind Tenshinhan and Krillin, who get similar boosts.

Oh, and calling him the 3rd strongest human is inaccurate. He would, at the very best, be 4th.

Actually its pretty clear that if Krillin, or Tenshinhan had met with Gero/Android 20, they would've met the same fate. Though Tenshinhan could delay it with Tribeam.

Yes, that's why no one tries to pass off their powers as impressive.

That Yamcha surpassed him.

But not in the Saiyan arc. Which is what I was talking about.

Additionally that source said there was only by 20 difference in power between them. They're were almost perfectly equal at that point. Again, really impressive for a human.

A 20 difference is still a difference.

Not really impressive when you remember that Tenshinhan and Krillin, upon doing the same training, got far more out of it than Yamcha did. That's not to say that, as one of the most powerful beings in the universe, Yamcha is a total weakling, but when others put in the same position as him do exceedingly better, it doesn't exactly win him points.

[TheGmGoken]

Wasn't "Z" at the height of it's popularity in Japan during the Cell Arc? I think I remember reading something about it on this website, but I could be mistaken.

Hell most art work of Dbz is FROM the Cell arc.

[Attitudefan]

This is an excerpt from the Dragonblog, the author claims to have not watched the show in 10 years on the international channel and has begun a viewing where he reviews each arc since the beginning of Dragonball episode 1, and here is his opinion of the Cell arc (let me tell you that he gave the Saiyan arc and the Saiyaman arc a 2/3 for example, so he isn't biased; he comes off very genuine and shares my sentiments to this and the Artificial Humans arc which he reviews separately but also gives a 1/3 within reason)

http://thedragonballblog.blogspot.ca/20 ... 0-194.html

The Artificial Humans are utterly unstoppable, leaving Piccolo and Kami no choice but to merge. Yet it is another force that truly makes Kami tremble in fear... The greatest of Dr. Gero's Artificial Humans, created from the living cells of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Freeza... Cell. And once Cell can merge with #17 and #18, he will reach his Perfect, unbeatable form.

The thing is, the Cell Saga starts off really strong. Cell is an interesting, mysterious, and truly creepy villain who sneaks his way around our heroes to gain power ups that are critical to his success. Not to mention, Piccolo takes on the role of main character for much of the first act of the Cell Saga, and he carries the show very well. Things go very well until episode 150, where the plot comes to a screeching halt when suddenly Cell is insanely stronger than Piccolo.

Say what you will about the means of Cell's power up, but my biggest problem with the last Saga was the over abundance of one-sided fights. This Saga falls right back into that same trap, with Cell always conveniently having a new way to overpower our heroes, or our heroes having a way to conveniently overpower Cell. It goes back and forth like this for a huge chunk of the story, up until the Cell Games. And all of it is bogus. Everything from Imperfect Cell, to Semi-Perfect Cell, to Perfect Cell vs Vegeta and Trunks is all terribly boring and hamfisted.

Then we get a few fun episodes between Trunks vs Cell and the Cell Games. I like these episodes. They're fun and sometimes nostalgic for Dragon Ball. Nothing bad to say.

Then, the Cell Games. Well all know the story: Goku fights Cell to prepare Gohan for his mighty clash against Cell for the safety of the whole universe. I feel like the Cell Games should be the best part of the whole Saga. Goku and Cell's fight is really cool. And Gohan's transformation and subsequent punishment of the Cell Juniors is cool, too. But that's about all that's cool. Goku and Gohan are at best their most irritating, and at worst, out of character. Gohan's "fight" with Cell is barely a fight at all. And it all falls back into the same problem that this Saga and the Artificial Humans Saga share... another one-sided fight.

Perhaps I'm missing something here. Among DBZ fans, this is one of the most beloved parts of the whole series. But I just don't get it. I don't buy Gohan as the savior. His potential to save everyone comes out of left-field, having not been mentioned since the Freeza Saga. Cell as a bad guy is most effective when he's first introduced, and there's still an air of mystery and terror surrounding him. Once he becomes Semi-Perfect Cell, he becomes whiny and throws tantrums instead of sneaking around and outsmarting our heroes. And as Perfect Cell, he's just sort of... a guy. He isn't particularly scary or complex or sinister like Freeza or Piccolo Daimao. He's just something that our heroes have to beat. He's boring. Gohan's boring. This whole Saga is, by and large, boring.

Or maybe it isn't boring. Maybe it's irritating. Just writing about this Saga is exhausting to me. Suffice it to say, I don't like it.

[Kid Buu]

Hey, I found that blog recently. Is that writer a forum member? His blog was such a great read, and I noticed he linked to Kanzenshuu on it.

[Attitudefan]

Hey, I found that blog recently. Is that writer a forum member? His blog was such a great read, and I noticed he linked to Kanzenshuu on it.

I don't know, but I discovered his blog when he was on the Saiyan arc. He has a wonderful view on the series and to top that, is a great writer.


My bet is that he is a lurker on the forum and may have not posted anything at all. Otherwise, I would see links to his blog more often.

[Kid Buu]

I had a similar problem when i rewatched the Buu arc recently.

It started off great, but when it became a string of one-sided fights I got bored of it.

[Attitudefan]

I think that is the trope Dragonball falls in post-Freeza arc. It is established in the Freeza arc, where certain characters are potrayed with a higher battle power and that becomes the sole factor for winning a fight. So, if the character exceeds the power, barely even, he will win in a one sided fight. However, the most important fight of the arc, with Freeza, isn't one sided and that is why I think the blogger, myself, and others praise the arc and give it a pass. However, since that battle power trope was established prior to, where fighting technique and the will to win was thrown out the window.

In a way, the Freeza arc came full circle with all story elements, such as the Dragonballs, Goku's origin, etc. but it also had the climax of power and fighting became that power game because of the people involved. Going from there on out in terms of fighting is hard to do unless you backtrack. However, that would just hurt the series since it got so big in scale. To go back on the fighting mechanics among other things wouldn't work. So there was nothing left but one sided fights. When we do go back to the idea of will, spirit and technique, it is in filler.

[Kid Buu]

Pretty much but I think if you squint hard enough, you can start to see those traits in the Freeza arc too.

If I had to pin one moment of when the decline started, it's when Goku arrives on Namek.

[thatdbzguy]

This is an excerpt from the Dragonblog, the author claims to have not watched the show in 10 years on the international channel and has begun a viewing where he reviews each arc since the beginning of Dragonball episode 1, and here is his opinion of the Cell arc (let me tell you that he gave the Saiyan arc and the Saiyaman arc a 2/3 for example, so he isn't biased; he comes off very genuine and shares my sentiments to this and the Artificial Humans arc which he reviews separately but also gives a 1/3 within reason)

http://thedragonballblog.blogspot.ca/20 ... 0-194.html

The Artificial Humans are utterly unstoppable, leaving Piccolo and Kami no choice but to merge. Yet it is another force that truly makes Kami tremble in fear... The greatest of Dr. Gero's Artificial Humans, created from the living cells of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Freeza... Cell. And once Cell can merge with #17 and #18, he will reach his Perfect, unbeatable form.

The thing is, the Cell Saga starts off really strong. Cell is an interesting, mysterious, and truly creepy villain who sneaks his way around our heroes to gain power ups that are critical to his success. Not to mention, Piccolo takes on the role of main character for much of the first act of the Cell Saga, and he carries the show very well. Things go very well until episode 150, where the plot comes to a screeching halt when suddenly Cell is insanely stronger than Piccolo.

Say what you will about the means of Cell's power up, but my biggest problem with the last Saga was the over abundance of one-sided fights. This Saga falls right back into that same trap, with Cell always conveniently having a new way to overpower our heroes, or our heroes having a way to conveniently overpower Cell. It goes back and forth like this for a huge chunk of the story, up until the Cell Games. And all of it is bogus. Everything from Imperfect Cell, to Semi-Perfect Cell, to Perfect Cell vs Vegeta and Trunks is all terribly boring and hamfisted.

Then we get a few fun episodes between Trunks vs Cell and the Cell Games. I like these episodes. They're fun and sometimes nostalgic for Dragon Ball. Nothing bad to say.

Then, the Cell Games. Well all know the story: Goku fights Cell to prepare Gohan for his mighty clash against Cell for the safety of the whole universe. I feel like the Cell Games should be the best part of the whole Saga. Goku and Cell's fight is really cool. And Gohan's transformation and subsequent punishment of the Cell Juniors is cool, too. But that's about all that's cool. Goku and Gohan are at best their most irritating, and at worst, out of character. Gohan's "fight" with Cell is barely a fight at all. And it all falls back into the same problem that this Saga and the Artificial Humans Saga share... another one-sided fight.

Perhaps I'm missing something here. Among DBZ fans, this is one of the most beloved parts of the whole series. But I just don't get it. I don't buy Gohan as the savior. His potential to save everyone comes out of left-field, having not been mentioned since the Freeza Saga. Cell as a bad guy is most effective when he's first introduced, and there's still an air of mystery and terror surrounding him. Once he becomes Semi-Perfect Cell, he becomes whiny and throws tantrums instead of sneaking around and outsmarting our heroes. And as Perfect Cell, he's just sort of... a guy. He isn't particularly scary or complex or sinister like Freeza or Piccolo Daimao. He's just something that our heroes have to beat. He's boring. Gohan's boring. This whole Saga is, by and large, boring.

Or maybe it isn't boring. Maybe it's irritating. Just writing about this Saga is exhausting to me. Suffice it to say, I don't like it.

This review nailed it. Nostalgia is the only reason people think the Cell arc is so great. If they would take off their rose-tinted goggles, they would see how abysmal it really is.

And actually, I take back what I said before about it being on par with Twilight in terms of quality. It's actually worse. At least the characters in Twilight are consistent and have sensible motivations.

[TheGmGoken]

This is an excerpt from the Dragonblog, the author claims to have not watched the show in 10 years on the international channel and has begun a viewing where he reviews each arc since the beginning of Dragonball episode 1, and here is his opinion of the Cell arc (let me tell you that he gave the Saiyan arc and the Saiyaman arc a 2/3 for example, so he isn't biased; he comes off very genuine and shares my sentiments to this and the Artificial Humans arc which he reviews separately but also gives a 1/3 within reason)

http://thedragonballblog.blogspot.ca/20 ... 0-194.html

The Artificial Humans are utterly unstoppable, leaving Piccolo and Kami no choice but to merge. Yet it is another force that truly makes Kami tremble in fear... The greatest of Dr. Gero's Artificial Humans, created from the living cells of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Freeza... Cell. And once Cell can merge with #17 and #18, he will reach his Perfect, unbeatable form.

The thing is, the Cell Saga starts off really strong. Cell is an interesting, mysterious, and truly creepy villain who sneaks his way around our heroes to gain power ups that are critical to his success. Not to mention, Piccolo takes on the role of main character for much of the first act of the Cell Saga, and he carries the show very well. Things go very well until episode 150, where the plot comes to a screeching halt when suddenly Cell is insanely stronger than Piccolo.

Say what you will about the means of Cell's power up, but my biggest problem with the last Saga was the over abundance of one-sided fights. This Saga falls right back into that same trap, with Cell always conveniently having a new way to overpower our heroes, or our heroes having a way to conveniently overpower Cell. It goes back and forth like this for a huge chunk of the story, up until the Cell Games. And all of it is bogus. Everything from Imperfect Cell, to Semi-Perfect Cell, to Perfect Cell vs Vegeta and Trunks is all terribly boring and hamfisted.

Then we get a few fun episodes between Trunks vs Cell and the Cell Games. I like these episodes. They're fun and sometimes nostalgic for Dragon Ball. Nothing bad to say.

Then, the Cell Games. Well all know the story: Goku fights Cell to prepare Gohan for his mighty clash against Cell for the safety of the whole universe. I feel like the Cell Games should be the best part of the whole Saga. Goku and Cell's fight is really cool. And Gohan's transformation and subsequent punishment of the Cell Juniors is cool, too. But that's about all that's cool. Goku and Gohan are at best their most irritating, and at worst, out of character. Gohan's "fight" with Cell is barely a fight at all. And it all falls back into the same problem that this Saga and the Artificial Humans Saga share... another one-sided fight.

Perhaps I'm missing something here. Among DBZ fans, this is one of the most beloved parts of the whole series. But I just don't get it. I don't buy Gohan as the savior. His potential to save everyone comes out of left-field, having not been mentioned since the Freeza Saga. Cell as a bad guy is most effective when he's first introduced, and there's still an air of mystery and terror surrounding him. Once he becomes Semi-Perfect Cell, he becomes whiny and throws tantrums instead of sneaking around and outsmarting our heroes. And as Perfect Cell, he's just sort of... a guy. He isn't particularly scary or complex or sinister like Freeza or Piccolo Daimao. He's just something that our heroes have to beat. He's boring. Gohan's boring. This whole Saga is, by and large, boring.

Or maybe it isn't boring. Maybe it's irritating. Just writing about this Saga is exhausting to me. Suffice it to say, I don't like it.

This review nailed it. Nostalgia is the only reason people think the Cell arc is so great. If they would take off their rose-tinted goggles, they would see how abysmal it really is.

And actually, I take back what I said before about it being on par with Twilight in terms of quality. It's actually worse. At least the characters in Twilight are consistent and have sensible motivations.

I missed most of Cell Arc as a kid. Only saw Final Flash and some random episodes due to family issues and not having cable. I rewatched Boo arc which I have the most nostalgia for and the arc has my favourite character Goten. Its crap after Vegeta dies. Its just boring and meh. I rewatched Cyborg- Cell arc. Loved it all. So its not nostalgia which people like to use as a excuse(love his reviews though) . Some people just like that part better. I find it MUCH better.

[rereboy]

This review nailed it. Nostalgia is the only reason people think the Cell arc is so great. If they would take off their rose-tinted goggles, they would see how abysmal it really is.

And actually, I take back what I said before about it being on par with Twilight in terms of quality. It's actually worse. At least the characters in Twilight are consistent and have sensible motivations.

You are the one with "goggles" if you think any form of Dragon Ball is worse than Twilight or as bad . You always exaggerate stuff and concepts like subjectivity are things that you have repetitively demonstrated to not fully grasp.

[Gonstead]

This review nailed it. Nostalgia is the only reason people think the Cell arc is so great. If they would take off their rose-tinted goggles, they would see how abysmal it really is.

And actually, I take back what I said before about it being on par with Twilight in terms of quality. It's actually worse. At least the characters in Twilight are consistent and have sensible motivations.

The logic in this post is so horrendously hilariously wrong, I almost didn't feel like entertaining a reply at all.

As rereboy just said, concepts like subjectivity are things that you have repetitively demonstrated to not fully grasp. What do you say to those such as TheGmGoken, who just admitted they did not grow up watching the Cell Saga, had a chance to watch it later on in life and actually enjoy it?

Also, Twilight? Consistent? Sensible motivations? You just lost any attempt at making some form of argumentative comparison right there, ignoring the fact that both series are near-incomparable at all. The same can be said when you described FAN-FICTION, MLP fan-fiction at that being in any form superior to the Dragon Ball franchise.

[baneofdemon22]

I just watched Dragon Ball for the first time last year and the Cell arc is my favorite, so nostalgia for me. I don't have nostalgia for anything TV or movie related anyways, because it never cared about it growing up.