The Cell Saga Is The Lowest Rated Saga?

[TheUltimateVegito]

If people think the Cell arc is any good without nostalgia goggles, then they obviously need someone to point out everything wrong with the saga. Which is a lot.

I have a sibling who constantly tries to pick flaws with the saga. Not only do I disagree with them, but I now love the saga even more and I truly believe it's the best saga of the series.

[Wibbs]

The Room of Spirit and Time also has limitations. If it had just been a room to get some quick training in, that's one thing, but it's clear that the room has a time limit and a very harsh environment.

There is that, and you have the fact that all of Vegeta and Trunks' time was spent developing a form that ended up being worse than the one they started with.

Trunks did, but not Vegeta. Vegeta understood the form's limitations and tradeoffs.

Yeah you're right, little odd that it was Trunks though. I though he would have been smarter than that.

[qjz123]

Trunks did, but not Vegeta. Vegeta understood the form's limitations and tradeoffs.

Yeah you're right, little odd that it was Trunks though. I though he would have been smarter than that.

Well he is just an inexperienced kid he kept plowing forward assuming that Raw power was all that was required to win a fight, Gohan thought the same thing when Goku showed him Grade 2 and 3 in the rosat before Goku explained why those forms wouldn't work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J_u97yaJEQ

[ABED]

Yeah you're right, little odd that it was Trunks though. I though he would have been smarter than that.

As qjz123 wrote, it makes more sense that it was Trunks. Vegeta is older, more experienced, and battle tested. It makes sense that he and Goku didn't make the mistake.

[Wibbs]

Yeah you're right, little odd that it was Trunks though. I though he would have been smarter than that.

As qjz123 wrote, it makes more sense that it was Trunks. Vegeta is older, more experienced, and battle tested. It makes sense that he and Goku didn't make the mistake.

I didn't mean that it should have been Vegeta. I just figured after a year Trunks would have figured out that this new form of his wasn't the real deal and was just going to slow him down. After all that careful planning he did in the Android saga it seems a little strange that he would slip up like that, experienced fighter or not.

[TheGmGoken]

The Cell Saga Is The Lowest Rated Saga?

Well this is awkward....
Found a old flashdrive. It was from when I was a rising AMV maker. I ask the fans what Arc should I make an AMV on. So I asked popular editors to speard the poll. The poll since deleted and honestly could probably with hard work be found again. But my flashdrive from 2012 has the results. I found it really cool and I had to share it.


Sadly YouTube copyright it so I had to make A Namek arc one. Back then I said Saga and appealed to Eng dub fans for cheap views.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn7fE4B4eXk. Here's the video if anyone curious.

If we talking about ratings why don't we just get TV ratings from Toonami, Fuji Tv, Tooniverse, or other stations that showed Dbz and compare ratings to all arcs. Not going to change opinions most likely

[ABED]

What careful planning did Trunks do? He neglected to do something as simple as tell the Z Team what the cyborgs looked like or that they don't have ki to sense.

[Wibbs]

What careful planning did Trunks do? He neglected to do something as simple as tell the Z Team what the cyborgs looked like or that they don't have ki to sense.

He gave Goku medicine... that counts I guess. Sorry, I didn't think about my earlier post before I said it. I don't know Trunks just seems like a smart kid, certainly smart enough to notice that his new bulky, heavy Super Saiyan form only allows for one punch a minute. Goku figured it out didn't he? What does that say about Trunks, that he's too hasty and doesn't think before a fight?

[Kamiccolo9]

What careful planning did Trunks do? He neglected to do something as simple as tell the Z Team what the cyborgs looked like or that they don't have ki to sense.

He gave Goku medicine... that counts I guess. Sorry, I didn't think about my earlier post before I said it. I don't know Trunks just seems like a smart kid, certainly smart enough to notice that his new bulky, heavy Super Saiyan form only allows for one punch a minute. Goku figured it out didn't he? What does that say about Trunks, that he's too hasty and doesn't think before a fight?

I doubt he trained much with the form. Remember, he thought that Vegeta didn't know he had it. Seeing as they were in the same place, I doubt he's actually done more than transformed into the form.

[ABED]

What careful planning did Trunks do? He neglected to do something as simple as tell the Z Team what the cyborgs looked like or that they don't have ki to sense.

He gave Goku medicine... that counts I guess. Sorry, I didn't think about my earlier post before I said it. I don't know Trunks just seems like a smart kid, certainly smart enough to notice that his new bulky, heavy Super Saiyan form only allows for one punch a minute. Goku figured it out didn't he? What does that say about Trunks, that he's too hasty and doesn't think before a fight?

Trunks isn't Goku. Goku's a brilliant fighter, so it makes sense that he'd figure it out right away. Trunks is smart, but he doesn't always think things through. All this says about Trunks is that he's a teenager and a greenhorn.

Yeah, he gave Goku medicine, but that was more of future Bulma's plan.

[Wibbs]

What careful planning did Trunks do? He neglected to do something as simple as tell the Z Team what the cyborgs looked like or that they don't have ki to sense.

He gave Goku medicine... that counts I guess. Sorry, I didn't think about my earlier post before I said it. I don't know Trunks just seems like a smart kid, certainly smart enough to notice that his new bulky, heavy Super Saiyan form only allows for one punch a minute. Goku figured it out didn't he? What does that say about Trunks, that he's too hasty and doesn't think before a fight?

I doubt he trained much with the form. Remember, he thought that Vegeta didn't know he had it. Seeing as they were in the same place, I doubt he's actually done more than transformed into the form.

Even still, Trunks must be perceptive enough to know that a giant, muscle bound body won't give him the power/speed balance necessary to defeat Cell. I'm not trying to be literal here, but why would Trunks transform into Chunky-SSJ or whatever it's called, take a look at it and decide it's fit for battle. Even Goku tried it out a bit first. You don't just look at a 30 inch thick sword and say to yourself "yeah, that'll do" without giving it a few swings first. Man, Trunks is either really hasty or really dumb .

[ABED]

He didn't know how strong or fast Cell would get in his perfect form and perhaps he got on some level that there was a tradeoff, but didn't figure it was that drastic to make a big difference. Even smart people can make mistakes that in retrospect seem obvious.

[Wibbs]

He didn't know how strong or fast Cell would get in his perfect form and perhaps he got on some level that there was a tradeoff, but didn't figure it was that drastic to make a big difference. Even smart people can make mistakes that in retrospect seem obvious.

I see where you're coming from. To be honest I was thinking about it too much. The only thing I'm wondering about now is how Vegeta never knew about it.

[Kamiccolo9]

He didn't know how strong or fast Cell would get in his perfect form and perhaps he got on some level that there was a tradeoff, but didn't figure it was that drastic to make a big difference. Even smart people can make mistakes that in retrospect seem obvious.

I see where you're coming from. To be honest I was thinking about it too much. The only thing I'm wondering about now is how Vegeta never knew about it.

Who says he didn't? Trunks realizes that Vegeta never used the form because he knew about its weaknesses.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

he was never mentioned again despite being that strong. Cell was even mentioned again as a peak opponent of comparison multiple times. You never hear Buu brought back up. Its like he never happened.

Well, yeah, hard to compare him to people when the series ends around his death,

For what it's worth, Buu was used as the measure of strength in the early parts of GT. Rildo was specifically compared to Buu.

That comparison didnt feel right though, Ridlo in no way really proved that it made a coherent comparison.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

RoSaT. It's a highly convenient thing brought right the F out of no where.

RoST wasnt invented in that arc though. I'm pretty sure it already existed in dragonball.

[Kamiccolo9]

That comparison didnt feel right though, Ridlo in no way really proved that it made a coherent comparison.

Why does it matter how it "felt?" Goku flat-out said that he was stronger than Buu. Which Buu is a matter for debate, of course, but a Buu is still a Buu.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

That comparison didnt feel right though, Ridlo in no way really proved that it made a coherent comparison.

Why does it matter how it "felt?" Goku flat-out said that he was stronger than Buu. Which Buu is a matter for debate, of course, but a Buu is still a Buu.

I meant it wasnt believable based on what little Ridlo was. I could recolour a Saibaman and say that too but there is nothing to back that up.

[Kamiccolo9]

That comparison didnt feel right though, Ridlo in no way really proved that it made a coherent comparison.

Why does it matter how it "felt?" Goku flat-out said that he was stronger than Buu. Which Buu is a matter for debate, of course, but a Buu is still a Buu.

I meant it wasnt believable based on what little Ridlo was. I could recolour a Saibaman and say that too but there is nothing to back that up.

Rildo was a match for Goku, and later took on Gohan. I'd say he more than backed it up. Goku's freakishly strong in GT, at the very least the level of one of the Buu Arc SSJ2's.

[qjz123]

Even still, Trunks must be perceptive enough to know that a giant, muscle bound body won't give him the power/speed balance necessary to defeat Cell. I'm not trying to be literal here, but why would Trunks transform into Chunky-SSJ or whatever it's called, take a look at it and decide it's fit for battle. Even Goku tried it out a bit first. You don't just look at a 30 inch thick sword and say to yourself "yeah, that'll do" without giving it a few swings first. Man, Trunks is either really hasty or really dumb .

Again you have to remember in terms of raw power this form rivals SSJ2 imo, you saw Gohan's reaction to it. Trunks being the inexperienced child he is found this form and essentially said to himself wow so much power and he kept plowing forward. Cell tells Trunks why he'll never win here http://youtu.be/w-1nQwcaizY?t=4m6s and Trunks thinks he's bluffing, here Cell shows Trunks that anyone can puff up their muscles http://youtu.be/w-1nQwcaizY?t=8m he also told him that Vegeta understood that this form was useless and here http://youtu.be/w-1nQwcaizY?t=8m38s Trunks realizes that Vegeta must've known that this form was useless and realizes what a fool he's been. Even after all that he still doesn't understand what Goku and Gohan have done http://youtu.be/P7P6ifM5PrI?t=16m16s. So I think we can conclude that if Trunks can't even understand why Goku and Gohan are doing what they're doing he sure as hell wouldn't have been able to accomplish it himself.