The Newest Batch of Toriyama Tidbits...

[Zephyr]

I feel one of Toriyama's comments from this interview should be brought up: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... riyama-qa/

"First, a word of warning: I am a considerably arbitrary creator, so I’ve imagined what happens after for these three for the first time just now. The possibility that I have made mistakes about the characters’ backgrounds is great. Proceed with caution."

He knows full well that he's probably messing things up, and that doesn't stop him. At the same time though, the way he says this makes it sound like his interview comments generally aren't meant to be taken seriously. On the bright side, since he doesn't even put much stock into these throw away retcons/statements when he makes new ones (seeing as he contradicts previous ones), I wouldn't count on them staying true for too long. Since these comments add nothing to the story, damage the story to varying extents, and are themselves subject to being erased, I would take them all with a grain of salt. They don't seem like they're meant to be taken very seriously.

[dbzfan7]

You know, as long as he's at it though, someone really should ask him...

"Was Gohan SSJ1 or SSJ2 in his fight against Dabura?" I'm surprised nobody has yet actually.

He'll probably say something along the lines of

"What? It doesn't matter how strong Gohan gets, he'll always be useless compared to Goku"

Sounds about right. Apparently Goku and Vegeta have more latent power than Gohan now....somehow...

[kuartus4]

You know, as long as he's at it though, someone really should ask him...

"Was Gohan SSJ1 or SSJ2 in his fight against Dabura?" I'm surprised nobody has yet actually.

Yeah, I would love for him to settle that one for good.

[TheRed259]

Dear Toriyama, do you really stay at home and think all these useless stories or do you invent them during the interview?
These new tidbits may be very interesting and good at impressing us but still they are not helpful.

Mr. Satan attended the ''Satan Castle''. So?
Android 16 was inspired by Dr. Gero's son. So?
Beerus sealed the Elder Kaiōshin away in the Z Sword. So?

DragonBall Z has ended since 1996. What's the point of all this? Why should I learn all these tidbits in 2014 (almost 20 years later)?
If you still have ideas, just create a new DBZ Manga instead.

[KentalSSJ6]

Dear Toriyama, do you really stay at home and think all these useless stories or do you invent them during the interview?
These new tidbits may be very interesting and good at impressing us but still they are not helpful.

Mr. Satan attended the ''Satan Castle''. So?
Android 16 was inspired by Dr. Gero's son. So?
Beerus sealed the Elder Kaiōshin away in the Z Sword. So?

DragonBall Z has ended since 1996. What's the point of all this? Why should I learn all these tidbits in 2014 (almost 20 years later)?
If you still have ideas, just create a new DBZ Manga instead.

Hes gone on to say he doesent have the strength, desire, or will to draw another manga like DBZ. If another manga was done, it would most likely be helmed by Toytaro/Toyble seeing as he's doing the DB Heroes manga.

[Hellspawn28]

I dare someone ask Toriyama on who will win between Goku or Superman .

[trunkschan90]

I want someone to ask him about Vegeta and Tarble's mom.

Also 17 and 18's real names have been revealed as well as little bit more on 17.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2 ... -18s-names

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If another manga was done, it would most likely be helmed by Toytaro/Toyble seeing as he's doing the DB Heroes manga.

Or Naho Ooishi, since he helped her with the JSAT adaptation, she made EoB, and she still does Dragon Ball SD.

Also 17 and 18's real names have been revealed as well as little bit more on 17.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2 ... -18s-names

This is so random, it made me laugh!

Toriyama also revealed that after the Cell arc No. 17 becomes a park ranger at a nature preserve. He's well suited to the work and shows no mercy to poachers! In this happy ending, he's well paid and married to a zoologist with two adopted children.

[FortuneSSJ]

"someone get this man as far away from the franchise as possible".

Its sad because I'm starting thinking this too. I want him to develop the story after Battle of Gods, not change whats already done.

[Fionordequester]

I don't know guys, I kind of like most of this extra info. They're neat little details I think, aside from Dragon Ball Minus retconning parts of Bardock's Story (and even then, I haven't read it, so I don't know how good it is).

[B]

Though in the manga Kaiōshin said that Bibidi made him, the truth is

I'm laughing like an idiot at this, given all the hooplah about canon and retcons. You heard it here first folks; just because someone said it doesn't mean it's true!

Though in the manga Kaiōshin said that Bibidi made him, the truth is that one called “Buu” was not actually created by Bididi, but has existed since time immemorial. He cycled between rampages and long hibernation. During numerous iterations of this cycle, he absorbed the evil elements of mankind, becoming steadily more violent.

Who do I contact at Toei to give us a Fantasia-esque animated short of Buu waking up, rampaging through the universe, and going back to sleep, all set to classical music? Shit, or even the Kikuchi score?

Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more.

I absolutely love this for completely superficial reasons: I just think Goku "looks" better in his base form or as a base Super Saiyan. I didn't really need an in-universe explanation to do away with the other forms, but it's cool to have one.

I, as a fan, have been successfully serviced.

[Chuquita]

I like how seemingly random 17's epilogue is. And it fits with that one shot of him near the end of the manga (woods and the gun).

[B]

The questions of "why do we need to know this?" or "so?" makes no sense to me. Because the author chose to share it. Why do we need to know anything? Why did Dragon Ball ever even have to be drawn? It's a story.

If there is one thing that, if not annoys, at least perplexes me is the new information that paints villains in a more forgiving light(Gero just loving his dead son, 17 becoming a happy family man, everything Bardock...) That is an example of taking something away from the original story for no discernible reason. Maybe it's more realistic that these characters aren't just assholes, but I personally never questioned why they were the way they were. Dragon Ball, and even a lot of other Toriyama works, never seemed to be bothered with the introspective and that was partly the beauty of it. Here's hoping we don't find out Babidi wanted to entertain children's birthday parties but was pressured into villainy by Bibidi.

[Gaffer Tape]

I don't know if you were specifically addressing me, but, on the surface, I have no problem with information for the sake of information, even if I seem to be saying otherwise. I thought the whole Mark thing a few years ago was cool. I think the Gero/#16 connection is also interesting. It's just that every time an author throws out something like this, it's a strong chance it's going to fuck something up. And most of these have done exactly that. Toriyama is just not the kind of author to have the ability to do something like this. I would say most authors probably shouldn't start changing around their own continuities 20 years later. You're just never the same person, never have the same mindset you did then, and you usually aren't as knowledgeable about the universe as you were then. So just harmless little tidbits are okay, if they are indeed that. But when you start changing things around, intentionally or, worse, unintentionally, there'd better be a good reason for it. It needs to be for the sake of the story. Otherwise, you're just complicating/breaking things for no reason. And that's why I have a problem with information for the sake of information.

As much as my favorite fan service would be exploring some of the older DB stories, as they never get any love and are oftentimes pretty vague, I feel that, for the sake of the franchise, Toriyama should not be looking backwards. If he really wants to add to Dragon Ball, he should be moving forward. But I'd really prefer he leave it alone entirely.

[Fionordequester]

Gero just loving his dead son...

Actually...that surprisingly makes a lot of sense now that I think about it.

Because in the Anime, I always found it so ridiculous how Dr. Gero would constantly yell and scream and boss around guys who were both willing AND able to kill him in two seconds flat if they got mad enough. So when he freaked out about them wanting to take #16 out of his pod (and thereby rob him of the only remembrance he has of his son), that's actually a pretty legit reason to get freaked out and lose your sense of reason. And it'd also explain why he never wanted #16 to try and go fight Goku, despite there being seemingly nothing wrong with #16.

[hleV]

Toriyama needs an editor to tell him "That's retarded, try again." before anything goes to public.

[TheRed259]

If there is one thing that, if not annoys, at least perplexes me is the new information that paints villains in a more forgiving light(Gero just loving his dead son, 17 becoming a happy family man, everything Bardock...)

You are getting more and more emotional as you are about to enter late adulthood (Toriyama is almost 60).

[Gaffer Tape]

Toriyama needs an editor to tell him "That's retarded, try again." before anything goes to public.

That's a good point! Toriyama had an editor for the entirety of his serialization of Dragon Ball. He most likely wouldn't have that kind of guidance for Q&A sessions like this. No wonder. But then again, I would assume he had an editor for DB Minus, and look how that turned out, so maybe it wouldn't make a difference. Maybe he's so legendary now that no one challenges him.

[VegettoEX]

At the very least, Toyotaro needs to sit in on these and be the guy to be able to look over at and when he shakes his head you know that you've contradicted something and need to come up with something else.

[Saiga]

Just got to agree with everything said by RandomGuy96 and GafferTape here. On Toriyama having an editor, I'm not sure I could trust anyone at Shueisha having the ability to spot what information is just plain stupid or I doubt this would even be printed.