How Did The Androids Know Vegeta Was a Prince?

[TheUltimateVegito]

As far as I recall, Vegeta never mentioned being the Prince of all Saiyans during the Saiyan Saga. So how did the Androids figure out that he was a prince?

[rereboy]

I think he did, but I can't check.

[dbgtFO]

As far as I recall, Vegeta never mentioned being the Prince of all Saiyans during the Saiyan Saga. So how did the Androids figure out that he was a prince?

You are right.
In my fanon Vegeta or Nappa blurted it out off-screen during the 3h wait.

[Gaffer Tape]

I think he did, but I can't check.

He didn't. The first time it was ever mentioned in the story was by Dodoria.

[sekzee]

Since there was a spy cam, it likely happened during the time after Namek.

[Gonstead]

But didn't Cell or Gero specifically state that the spy cams stopped monitoring the fighters after Vegeta invaded?

[Cetra]

But didn't Cell or Gero specifically state that the spy cams stopped monitoring the fighters after Vegeta invaded?

Then Cell wouldn't have Freezer and Cold's cells and the spybot would not have recorded Cell and Piccolo.

[Herms]

But didn't Cell or Gero specifically state that the spy cams stopped monitoring the fighters after Vegeta invaded?

Gero does specifically say that he stopped monitoring Goku and co after the battle with Vegeta, hence him not knowing about Super Saiyans. But his computer and the spy robot(s) under its control kept on collecting cells (and data, apparently) up until Freeza attacking Earth and beyond. There's even that spy robot still checking out Piccolo during Cell's autobiography. Gero was apparently just a dope who didn't bother keeping track of what his own computer was up to.

Anyway, I can't remember, but when do the androids refer to Vegeta as prince of the Saiyans?

[TheUltimateVegito]

Anyway, I can't remember, but when do the androids refer to Vegeta as prince of the Saiyans?

During Vegeta's fight with Android 18, Android 17 mentioned Vegeta being the Prince of all Saiyans.

[VegettoEX]

During Vegeta's fight with Android 18, Android 17 mentioned Vegeta being the Prince of all Saiyans.

"Prince of all Saiyans" is such a FUNimation-dub-exclusive phrase when written so specifically like that, so I have to ask for clarification: are you talking about dialog in FUNimation's English dub, or dialog in the manga and/or the original Japanese script for the anime?

[Cetra]

Anyway, I can't remember, but when do the androids refer to Vegeta as prince of the Saiyans?

C17's last panel there. BUT he said that he is a prince some panels before on the same page.

C18: "Just go with them! Then I'll let you go!"

Vegeta: "Bitch! We're not done yet! I'm staying!"

Vegeta: "I do not need to rely on those Z-monkeys. I am a prince and have my pride, understood? I'm fighting alone!"

Alternate Trunks: "I can't believe it!"

C17: *clap clap clap*

"Those words and your fighting style truly are worthy of being those of a Saiyajin prince."



Source: Dragon Ball, Vol. 30 "Die Gruppe Z", Page 52, made by Akira Toriyama in 1984-1995

[TheGmGoken]

Anyway, I can't remember, but when do the androids refer to Vegeta as prince of the Saiyans?

C17's last panel there. BUT he said that he is a prince some panels before on the same page.

Vegeta: "I do not need to rely on those Z-monkeys. I am a prince and have my pride, understood? I'm fighting alone!"

Alternate Trunks: "I can't believe it!"

C17: *clap clap clap*

"Those words and your fighting style truly are worthy of being those of a Saiyajin prince."



Dragon Ball, Vol. 30, Page 52, made by Akira Toriyama in 1984-1995

Um...a Vegeta told them...well mentioned it

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Vegeta says it a lot, they've bound to have heard it just as he went on about it fighting 19 and 20.

[Cetra]

Um...a Vegeta told them...well mentioned it

Hence my "BUT ..." sentence. "He" is obviously Vegeta.

[TheGmGoken]

Um...a Vegeta told them...well mentioned it

Hence my "BUT ..." sentence.

I was talking bout ur post 100%. I meant off screen or something

[Cetra]

I was talking bout ur post 100%. I meant off screen or something

But why off-screen when he directly mentions it here anyway? Or do I misunderstand you and you think he says it even before? I think mentioning it two seconds before C17 calls him a prince is enough, that is at least what we have. Maybe you also just mean "um, oh, so Vegeta mentions it right before and that's why they know".

Not a very reliable translation.

Pff, with one of the two translator being a native Japanese speaker you might not say that. Just because "Namekians, Kakarott and Earthlings" is summed up as Z warriors it is not reliable?

[TheUltimateVegito]

During Vegeta's fight with Android 18, Android 17 mentioned Vegeta being the Prince of all Saiyans.

"Prince of all Saiyans" is such a FUNimation-dub-exclusive phrase when written so specifically like that, so I have to ask for clarification: are you talking about dialog in FUNimation's English dub, or dialog in the manga and/or the original Japanese script for the anime?

I was mainly reference English Kai. I didn't fully remember whether or not the Japanese or the manga version of the scene was the same.

[TheUltimateVegito]

Anyway, I can't remember, but when do the androids refer to Vegeta as prince of the Saiyans?

C17's last panel there. BUT he said that he is a prince some panels before on the same page.

C18: "Just go with them! Then I'll let you go!"

Vegeta: "Bitch! We're not done yet! I'm staying!"

Vegeta: "I do not need to rely on those Z-monkeys. I am a prince and have my pride, understood? I'm fighting alone!"

Alternate Trunks: "I can't believe it!"

C17: *clap clap clap*

"Those words and your fighting style truly are worthy of being those of a Saiyajin prince."



Source: Dragon Ball, Vol. 30, Page 52, made by Akira Toriyama in 1984-1995

I've just read the English Manga (fan translated) version of the scene and Vegeta doesn't mention himself being a prince during it.

[Gaffer Tape]

Also... "Z-Monkeys"? Yeesh. I can guarantee you that little epithet wasn't in the original dialogue. From a personal standpoint, I hate the term "Z Warrior" or "Z Fighter" or however you want to translate it. It just sounds stupid. But at least I can understand it as an out-of-universe term to refer to the main characters. From an in-universe standpoint, though, it makes absolutely no sense where that name would come from, why they would refer to each other as such, etc. The only thing in the entire series that makes prominent use of the letter Z is the Z-Sword, which nearly all of the characters have no connection to, and only shows up near the very end of the series. And it makes even less sense when you take that over to the manga, which never used the letter Z in its title to begin with.

Phew. That's my rant. My point? Not a very reliable translation. That said, I do believe #17's line is correct in that he does refer to Vegeta as the Saiyan Prince at that point.

[Herms]

Not a very reliable translation. That said, I do believe #17's line is correct in that he does refer to Vegeta as the Saiyan Prince at that point.

I checked it in Japanese, and No.17 does refer to Vegeta as "prince of the Saiyans". However, Vegeta doesn't refer to himself as being a prince immediately prior to that; instead he just says "I'd rather die fighting by myself than team up with Earthlings/Namekians/Kakarot!"

So yeah, seems 17 knows Vegeta is prince of the Saiyans, even though Vegeta (apparently) hadn't mentioned it earlier. Unless there's some earlier line I'm missing where he mentions it, I guess we'll just have to assume it gets mentioned "off-screen", either during the android arc or back during the Saiyan arc when Gero was spying on them.