So MLP Just Went DBZ....

[VegettoEX]

Isn't that exactly what's happening every time a certain user starts a new thread bashing Dragon Ball, though? I think we're all getting a bit tired of it, it's blatant trolling.

Being critical of the franchise is OK. I do it on a daily basis. Most of you do, too, and just don't realize it until you're actively engaged in someone else's discussion.

You are not the series. Stop personifying the series and taking personal offense to its criticisms.

That being said, also worry about your own behavior rather than other users. Strikes are issued if and when they need to be. If you don't want to be a part of that group, be an awesome person and live up to the spirit of the rules you agreed to (twice) prior to registration.

Embarrassing baby-sitting aside, this thread has indeed gotten FAR off-track from its (perhaps) intended purpose. If folks continue to discuss things that are wholly unrelated to Dragon Ball in some way, the entire discussion will either be locked or cleaned-up substantially. Doing so takes time away from when the staff could be working on the larger website. If you enjoy the website that you're posting as a part of, keep this in mind when you make disparaging, rude, inflammatory, hostile, toxic, or otherwise unproductive posts. If you find any value in Kanzenshuu as a whole, you won't be that guy/gal.

[Patrick]

Well actually that was the season-finale. Three out of the four season-finales the show has had so far has in some way shook up the status quo. (Granted the second season's was kinda minor, really only amounting to bringing in a couple of new recurring characters... Both season 3 and 4 were pretty significant game-changers however.) And no, the destruction of the library was a permanent thing... granted it was replaced by a freaking castle at the end of the episode, but yeah, that particular change actually stuck.

Yeah, that pretty much sounds like Namek -> New Namek to me. It's not the same, but it's better in a sense. The loss is still compensated by something better, much like DBZ "usually does".

[thatdbzguy]

Yeah, that pretty much sounds like Namek -> New Namek to me. It's not the same, but it's better in a sense. The loss is still compensated by something better, much like DBZ "usually does".

Yes, but the difference here is that the viewer has grown accustomed to Twilight's old library from the very beginning, thus having more of an attachment to it and feeling sadness over its destruction.

Can you honestly say that Namek, a bland planet introduced in the middle of the series and taken away in the middle of the series, was the same way for anybody?

[Super Sonic]

This thread made me think, could anyone here see Tara Strong (Twilight) on DBZ as anyone? For those not familiar with the name:

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/Tara-Strong/

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Yeah, that pretty much sounds like Namek -> New Namek to me. It's not the same, but it's better in a sense. The loss is still compensated by something better, much like DBZ "usually does".

Yes, but the difference here is that the viewer has grown accustomed to Twilight's old library from the very beginning, thus having more of an attachment to it and feeling sadness over its destruction.

Can you honestly say that Namek, a bland planet introduced in the middle of the series and taken away in the middle of the series, was the same way for anybody?

Still reaching huh? Namek meant a lot to Piccolo when he arrived and saw the inhabitance. He found his homeland and united himself with people he thought he never had. Dende looks up to him, and he learns the origins of himself before Earth. It has enough significance. They are the origins of the first dragonballs. It was only side-noted because the arc was mainly about Freeza and outsmarting him at all costs.

[thatdbzguy]

Yeah, that pretty much sounds like Namek -> New Namek to me. It's not the same, but it's better in a sense. The loss is still compensated by something better, much like DBZ "usually does".

Yes, but the difference here is that the viewer has grown accustomed to Twilight's old library from the very beginning, thus having more of an attachment to it and feeling sadness over its destruction.

Can you honestly say that Namek, a bland planet introduced in the middle of the series and taken away in the middle of the series, was the same way for anybody?

Still reaching huh? Namek meant a lot to Piccolo when he arrived and saw the inhabitance. He found his homeland and united himself with people he thought he never had. Dende looks up to him, and he learns the origins of himself before Earth. It has enough significance. They are the origins of the first dragonballs. It was only side-noted because the arc was mainly about Freeza and outsmarting him at all costs.

Just because it might have meaning for a character, that doesn't mean it automatically has meaning for the viewer.

[TheGmGoken]

People sure the reader didn't feel sadness when Earth blew uo either.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Just because it might have meaning for a character, that doesn't mean it automatically has meaning for the viewer.

You can argue the same thing against your claim. Just because the Library may have been mentioned more often doesnt mean it meant more or held its wait in external significance.

MLP fans just seem to be overrating anything they can cherrypick from the show these days it seems just to push a skewed bias opinion.

People sure the reader didn't feel sadness when Earth blew up either.

When were we ever meant to? The humans in DBZ are an insignificant collective of life who are only important under their right to live on Earth. They were never held at any higher standard in the series.

[TheGmGoken]

That's what I'm saying. I'm sure most fans don't care. Both in MLP and Dbz. It's to establish the person destroying it. When Pain destroyed the Leaf village it showed Pein dominance. I'm sure no one was sad.

[Kid Buu]

How does DBZ not have a sense of loss? In the Saiyan Arc battle, half the cast dies in battle. Yes, they were brought back, but the heroes had to work their ass off to bring them back to life. It wasn't just magically done with them.

Android and Cell arc had great sense of loss too as I said in another thread.

So only Buu arc lacks a sense of loss, although I will miss Videl's hair.

[TheGmGoken]

Trunks's timeline is worse than a Zombie apocalypse IMHO. I missed Goten when he died. For like 3 episodes. I'm honestly confused about Dbz having no lose yet alone fans caring bout the cast

[thatdbzguy]

I'm sure most fans don't care.

You obviously don't keep up with the bronies, then. They're pretty upset about it.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm sure most fans don't care.

You obviously don't keep up with the bronies, then. They're pretty upset about it.

I'm sorry? But casual fans didn't really care. I check Twitter of MLP fans(girl and...,Bronies i guess) and ask my little sisters. I'm sorry I'm not a hardcore fan of a Pony show.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Embarrassing baby-sitting aside, this thread has indeed gotten FAR off-track from its (perhaps) intended purpose. If folks continue to discuss things that are wholly unrelated to Dragon Ball in some way, the entire discussion will either be locked or cleaned-up substantially. Doing so takes time away from when the staff could be working on the larger website. If you enjoy the website that you're posting as a part of, keep this in mind when you make disparaging, rude, inflammatory, hostile, toxic, or otherwise unproductive posts. If you find any value in Kanzenshuu as a whole, you won't be that guy/gal.

Says a man who abruptedly locked my "Uchiha Madara vs. DBZ" thread a few months ago. Do you even realize that this thread isn't even about DBZ, but mostly about MLP? To be honest, I don't even understand why you locked my thread, but allowed this thread to continue. I'm furious, yes. When I first came here, everybody had a little bit of fun with some liberty here and there. Right now, it isn't that. You had to be hard-nosed without some flexibility, which, quite frankly, turns me off big time.

To be a good administrator is to be a good listener to the members here. When they have a problem- really lingering problem, you should try to understand their concern and frustration and try to do something to make the forum a better and fun place. When they try to express their feeling on this matter, you shut them up and told them to follow the rules or else they are going to be banned, therefore revoke their access to the Kanzenshuu website, which I think is a bit too harsh.

[KentalSSJ6]

Embarrassing baby-sitting aside, this thread has indeed gotten FAR off-track from its (perhaps) intended purpose. If folks continue to discuss things that are wholly unrelated to Dragon Ball in some way, the entire discussion will either be locked or cleaned-up substantially. Doing so takes time away from when the staff could be working on the larger website. If you enjoy the website that you're posting as a part of, keep this in mind when you make disparaging, rude, inflammatory, hostile, toxic, or otherwise unproductive posts. If you find any value in Kanzenshuu as a whole, you won't be that guy/gal.

Says a man who abruptedly locked my "Uchiha Madara vs. DBZ" thread a few months ago. Do you even realize that this thread isn't even about DBZ, but mostly about MLP? To be honest, I don't even understand why you locked my thread, but allowed this thread to continue. I'm furious, yes. When I first came here, everybody had a little bit of fun with some liberty here and there. Right now, it isn't that. You had to be hard-nosed without some flexibility, which, quite frankly, turns me off big time.

To be a good administrator is to be a good listener to the members here. When they have a problem- really lingering problem, you should try to understand their concern and frustration and try to do something to make the forum a better and fun place. When they try to express their feeling on this matter, you shut them up and told them to follow the rules or else they are going to be banned, therefore revoke their access to the Kanzenshuu website, which I think is a bit too harsh.

To be fair your matchup did not need its own thread. We have a All Purpose Versus Thread for a reason.

[dodge2461]

I've never seen this show, all I know of the show is the first 5 minutes of the pilot, which I didn't really find to be my thing. That and this fight. In all honesty, like people have said, the fight feels like what people who aren't involved with the show and feels more like what those people think it's about. You state that you feel that this fight is better than DBZ's actual fights. That's your opinion, and you're entitled to that, as I am to mine. And I feel that it is not. The fight feels choppy, going from shot to shot constantly, without any actual flow. We see the attack firing from one angle, the scene cuts, and we see the impact. Here's a scene from Goku vs Vegeta at the beginning of the Saiyan saga:



See how the scene flows? Yes, there's a cut, but the camera doesn't stay in one spot. Here's another scene from the Goku vs Cell fight:



Again, see how the camera glides along with the characters, and not to mention the overall speed of the scene.

I'm not an animator. I don't know how hard it is to make one of these scenes. But what we get is a very well-animated shot, but that's just my opinion.

[Ajay]

Your second image isn't linked properly.

Here it is:

[JulieYBM]

I'm not an animator. I don't know how hard it is to make one of these scenes. But what we get is a very well-animated shot, but that's just my opinion.

Not all animators have the same skills. I haven't taken a gander at the credits and staff for the episode in question, but near as I can tell from the excerpt provided no talented director or animator was involved in the scene. American commercial cartoons tend to fear experimentation or collaboration with the Korean out-sourcing studios they use to animate shows, so the work usually has the same lack of oomph despite the higher budget and longer production schedule. The gif you posted from Dragon Ball Z Episode #31 was key animated by Hisada Kazuya based on a storyboard by Series Director Nishio Daisuke. Hisada is one of the better then-Seigasha animators, using Kanada Yoshinori-inspired techniques to give the limited number of drawings he was allowed to use some definite punch. The gif from Episode #179 was also directed by Nishio Daisuke and animated by a key animator from Studio Cockpit, a sub-contracting studio that has spawned numerous talents like Masunaga Keisuke, Iwane Masa'aki, and Tamagawa Akihiro.

[Metalwario64]

Your second image isn't linked properly.

Here it is:

It's a terrible GIF anyway:

[Black_Liger]

A better fight than dbz, I'm sorry, but, there's NO way, dbz had episodes where great animators were used, the blow exchange, beam animation, handmade instead of digital, it's imposible that a simple beam exchange of a pony show is better than all the fights in dbz, even Ben 10 has better animation than MLP.