What should Toei focus on after Kai?

[soulnova]

The DC animated films are pretty good, and a number of them are excellent.

I would totally buy every single one if they were like those.

Now, I would certainly want them to be a little more serious if possible. I'm not saying to drop the comedy all-together, but to also have its lil share of drama.

[Bullza]

Dragon Ball is usually at it's worse when it tries to do comedy so I wouldn't want much of it in future movies. I don't want it to be overly serious or dark either but like the Cell saga.

[B]

I want something memorable.

And that will never happen with a Dragon Ball movie, at best we'd get a fun and entertaining movie with good animation for a Japanese film like Battle of Gods and that's about it.

Well, that's what I'm saying. A "fun and entertaining movie with good animation for a Japanese film" sounds like the perfect DB film, and I don't think it can realistically be done every year and come out anything close to decent. That's what the first set of the movies did. And they suck. Kind of.

[Bullza]

They suck because they weren't written by Toriyama, were only 40-60 minutes so hardly even got going and the animation is poor compared to what they can do now.

[B]

They suck because they weren't written by Toriyama, were only 40-60 minutes so hardly even got going and the animation is poor compared to what they can do now.

Right, and that's what happens when you attempt to have a non-stop flow of content.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Am I the only one that thought the 2008 special majorly sucked?

The comedy in that special at least made sense with the situation, not sheer on-the-spot asspulls like BoG. I dont see why BoG's unfunny comedy would be praised higher.

Dragon Ball is usually at it's worse when it tries to do comedy so I wouldn't want much of it in future movies. I don't want it to be overly serious or dark either but like the Cell saga.

DB's worst aspect is when comedy becomes a focus and not passive through character logic fails or via situations. Thats the biggest problem with BoG. Too much of it wasnt taken seriously enough to make the story coherent or fufilling.

The backstory side notes would matter enough to people that follow AT.

Which is a fraction of the fanbase.

More like 70% of it.

That's what people want and what sells. I'm sure a lot of hardcore fans would be interested in such things, I would be but the average Dragon Ball Z wants more of what they loved about DBZ and not just some OVA about how #18 fell for Krillin.

Based on what? Pandering to the people who want SSJ5 or AF canon are the people that ruin the series with their logic.

Of course they wouldn't, "usual" fans took a lot of interest in and watched Battle of Gods being a canon follow up with new stronger forms and villains. The same level of interest wasn't there for the Episode of Bardock or Dragon Ball Minus.

A lot of people wanted to see EOB it was the most hyped up DB related section of its release. Its the most common DBZ movie on youtube. The hype only died down with EOB and Minus because of the recoil in plotholes. The only reason BoG had any hype was over the unknown SSJ appearance and the big claim of Goku "losing." When those two points disappointed the same fans, the hype died down with it. The only thing that holds it in relevance is the speculations of Beerus' power compared to GT characters I come across. Theres nothing to talk about with Minus or EOB besides the plotholes we already know about.

theres no point on wasting big budgets

Theres no point milking the franchise with dumbed down content, most people didn't care about anything that didnt give them new knowledge about characters they actually like. Why do you think most of the fans want a Vegeta movie? Because they want to see the character itself.

The real waste would be putting money into an OVA that everyone will just watch on the internet instead of a movie like Battle of Gods that has made so far $48 million from just it's theatrical gross and got fantastic TV ratings, they haven't wasted anything.

None of which was because of the story, it was just because it was AT's return to dragonball. Also "fantastic" ratings isnt true. It got at most a 7/10. Maybe a 6.5/10. The "fantastic" 11/10s or whatever are from the fanboys. Most who didnt even watch the movie before they rated it. Almost all the hype for the movie itself was just over it being a "canon" movie. Thats it.

The OVA's had time wasted itself and Yo Son Goku, Episode of Bardock (particulary this) and Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans were all very mediocre and worse than the boring half of Battle of Gods.

that doesnt prove all OVAs are inherently bad. PtEtS wasn't even an actual movie and EoB was just a fanfic adaption. Though they still had consistant stories within them the entire film. BoG was mainly antics of irrelevant poor-tasting jokes before the plot actually starts 3/4 in.

The OVA's do not have the potential that a movie has.

Theres nothing that seperates them, the quality of writing is the same for either. OVAs would at least provide relevant storylines instead of the pretentious crap BoG gave us.

A lot of Battle of Gods was wasted on the party as an excuse to show all the characters because it was a reunion for the series. Future movies don't need to do that.

Yo-Son Goku was the official reuinion movie and still had better pacing and actual humour. BoG should have been about Beerus, Whis and Goku. Not Gohan being Drunk. The setting of them having a party is just laziness for not having a background plot. Which is funny because Toei at least has better plotlines than anything AT himself ever writes. As far as I know it was Toei that inspired the idea of Bardock's original story and Freeza's hatred of the Saiyan prophecies before AT retconned it.

[Bullza]

Right, and that's what happens when you attempt to have a non-stop flow of content.

No that's what happens when studios produce a movie half assed on the side for a quick buck. The Detective Conan and Pokemon movies show that lenghty nicely animated movies can made each year and still be good (at least compared to their respective series) so DBZ is no exception.

There's no doubt that Toei could produce something with the quality of Battle of Gods each year and seeing as Toriyama isn't writing a weekly series anymore could easily come up with 75% of a script along with a fellow screenwriter.

If you don't think they could make a movie of Battle of Gods level each year then you're kidding yourself.

[Bullza]

More like 70% of it.

Not even close. I doubt even 7% of the fanbase know that Mr Satan's real name is Mark.

Based on what?

Based on how popular any movie is compared to an OVA. Look at how much discussion Battle of Gods got on this site compared to say Jaco, the difference is even bigger off this site.

Are you going to deny that a new movie that would have Goku in a new form fighting a villain even stronger than Beerus wouldn't get far more hype and interest than a 20 minute OVA showing how #18 fell for Krillin?

A lot of people wanted to see EOB it was the most hyped up DB related section of its release. Its the most common DBZ movie on youtube.

That's not really saying much as a lot of fans would have already seen the other movies before youtube even existed. Even still it didn't have a fraction of the amount of hype as Battle of Gods as is made obvious here.

https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore ... ods&cmpt=q

Why do you think most of the fans want a Vegeta movie? Because they want to see the character itself.

Most of the fans don't want that. Don't get confused with what people may think here, a few dozen members on this site don't represent the millions of casual fans around the world.

BoG was mainly antics of irrelevant poor-tasting jokes before the plot actually starts 3/4 in.

That doesn't mean the others have got to be like it.

Theres nothing that seperates them, the quality of writing is the same for either. OVAs would at least provide relevant storylines instead of the pretentious crap BoG gave us.

While movies can have relevant storylines OVA's can never have the development of a movie due to it's shorter runtime nor the animation quality of a movie as they don't warrent them. The last OVAs sucked far more than the movie so you don't really have a strong point here.

Yo-Son Goku was the official reuinion movie and still had better pacing and actual humour.

And also an inferior plot, inferior new characters, inferior animation and inferior fight scenes aswell as introducing nothing new to the series except Vegeta somehow having a useless little brother.

[Hellspawn28]

Maybe Toei could try to do their own DB live action movie or show. They could do a better job on being more faithful then DBE was. With a Toku DBZ, we could have some cool practical effects.

[Bullza]

Maybe Toei could try to do their own DB live action movie or show. They could do a better job on being more faithful then DBE was. With a Toku DBZ, we could have some cool practical effects.

God no Japanese movies usually look cheap as hell, especially compared to American blockbusters, they're more like B movies. They don't have the money needed to fund such a film.

Only Hollywood could pull that off.

[Ajay]

Maybe Toei could try to do their own DB live action movie or show. They could do a better job on being more faithful then DBE was. With a Toku DBZ, we could have some cool practical effects.

God no Japanese movies usually look cheap as hell, especially compared to American blockbusters, they're more like B movies. They don't have the money needed to fund such a film.

Only Hollywood could pull that off.

Rather ignorant view of Japanese cinema. Sure, there's a lot of cheap live action anime but it's not all bad. Heck, the latest Rurouni Kenshin trailer doesn't look particularly low budget at all - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzLWOMzvuLI

You only have to look at something like Casshern's live action film to see a Dragon Ball film could easily be possible.

[Hellspawn28]

Maybe Toei could try to do their own DB live action movie or show. They could do a better job on being more faithful then DBE was. With a Toku DBZ, we could have some cool practical effects.

God no Japanese movies usually look cheap as hell, especially compared to American blockbusters, they're more like B movies. They don't have the money needed to fund such a film.

Have you not see any Japanese special effect movies or shows? People think Japanese effects of stuff from the 50's or 60's when a lot of those are dated by today standers. There are good Japanese special effects out there, the Japanese live action movie of Space Battleship Yamato movie has great looking CG. At least Japanese still uses suits and props for their stuff while America just green screen the fuck out of everything since the year 2000. Also the newer Ultraman stuff also has fast fighting scenes similar to DBZ. Just look at the fight scenes at Ultraman Zero vs. Darklops Zero and Ultraman Ginga vs. Dark Zagi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7xktdtFUME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBZDedXIQAU

Those two fight scenes felt closer to DBZ then DBE did.

[Bullza]

Well there's nothing ignorant about it as the three videos above just confirm it to be true.

Rurouni Kenshin has a large budget for a Japanese film but still doesn't compare to the budget of an average Hollywood blockbuster. It looks good for a Japanese film but you can still notice the cheap looking cinematography and costumes. That was the case with Gantz.

Besides that's not even a CGI heavy movie so that is a lot easier to pull off for them.

Those clips from Ultraman also looked cheap, not to mention terrible. I'd expect something like that from a Power Rangers episode.

The simple truth is that to make a worthwhile Dragon Ball movie it would need a lot of money put into it and Japan don't have that kind of money because they know they won't get their money back because nobody outside of Asia pays to see Japanese films.

There's also the risk that if Japan did it they'd make it goofy like that Ultraman as well.

It would need an Hollywood studio to do it right. They messed up with DBE because nobody really cared and it was made on the cheap but they have the potential do it whereas Japan don't.

[GarrettCRW]

The chances of a major American studio getting any property produced with even a modicum of quality and fealty to the source material is pretty low these days, and it drops to pretty much zero when it's based on a popular cartoon. Dragon Ball Evolution is much more in line with the norm for animation-to-live action transfers than anyone seems to be giving credit for here. Rosie O'Donnell as Betty Rubble, Optimus Prime saying, "Kill 'em all!", Doctor Claw's face being shown, and the wholesale jettisoning of the established Underdog world come to mind.

[Gokuden]

The chances of a major American studio getting any property produced with even a modicum of quality and fealty to the source material is pretty low these days, and it drops to pretty much zero when it's based on a popular cartoon. Dragon Ball Evolution is much more in line with the norm for animation-to-live action transfers than anyone seems to be giving credit for here. Rosie O'Donnell as Betty Rubble, Optimus Prime saying, "Kill 'em all!", Doctor Claw's face being shown, and the wholesale jettisoning of the established Underdog world come to mind.

This.

If you saw the new Robocop, they filled it with political propaganda at the start. It was supposed to be about Detroit, and how criminal activity runs rampant, boom deflection towards the iranians.

[Rukura]

In response to the thread's question: Neko Majin. Hell, I'd like to see a new anime adaptation of the Dr Slump manga.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Have you not see any Japanese special effect movies or shows? People think Japanese effects of stuff from the 50's or 60's when a lot of those are dated by today standers. There are good Japanese special effects out there, the Japanese live action movie of Space Battleship Yamato movie has great looking CG. At least Japanese still uses suits and props for their stuff while America just green screen the fuck out of everything since the year 2000.

I was going to mention this movie when I read the comment. You beat me

God no Japanese movies usually look cheap as hell, especially compared to American blockbusters, they're more like B movies. They don't have the money needed to fund such a film.

Only Hollywood could pull that off.

Then God bless America, the only country which can make decent special effects! No nation in the world can compare to the awesomeness of American cinema!

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[/irony]

Money is an important factor, but not the only one. What about creativity and talent? Go watch some Indy Mogul videos in which they make awesome SFX with budgets usually under 100 bucks. Not every blockbuster must be measured in hundreds of millions of US dollars.

And hey, what about an example? Remember how awesome the effects in Dragon Ball Evolution were? Neither do I.

[Retan]

Have to agree with Bullza, on this one, no offense to anyone who's fans of other countries live action movies or Computer animated movies, but no, just no.

[UltWarrior1]

As was stated previously in this thread, I think Toei should focus on feature films/specials for the Dragonball series. For as long as Masako Nozawa is up for it, the animation for the franchise can continue. Once Nozawa announces her retirement however, then I think Toei can stop.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Have to agree with Bullza, on this one, no offense to anyone who's fans of other countries live action movies or Computer animated movies, but no, just no.

Please elaborate. This is an interesting topic to discuss, and "no, just no" isn't a very powerful argument.