Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
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Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
I'm almost positive she was able to so how come it never showed it in the series?
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
In the Manga, Pan was only portrayed for a very short time, and as being a very young child - at three years old. There was no real sense in making her a Super Saiyan at that point.
In GT, the writers note in the 'Perfect Files' that she both her and Bra are capable of becoming Super Saiyans, but obviously from a narrative perspective they never felt it was worthwhile depicting.
In GT, the writers note in the 'Perfect Files' that she both her and Bra are capable of becoming Super Saiyans, but obviously from a narrative perspective they never felt it was worthwhile depicting.
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
My theory is brand recognition. There weren't many female fighters in DB, so to have one in GT makes the entire show stand out. She's unofficially the mascot, even though she's an original manga character. They didn't wanna go messing around with her design too much.
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
I think they just didn't know how to design a decent female Super Saiyan. Considering that SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Gohan and SSJ Goten all look the same in DBGT, I think not making Pan Super Saiyan was for the best.
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
Imagine SSJ Trunks and SSJ Pan standing next to each other.
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
What's so special about a female Super Saiyan to be difficult to draw?Marco Polo wrote:I think they just didn't know how to design a decent female Super Saiyan.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What's so special about a female Super Saiyan to be difficult to draw?
Cursed Lemon wrote:Imagine SSJ Trunks and SSJ Pan standing next to each other.
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
OK... and?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
Pan SSJ Fanart
Pan is official material of Akira Toriyama and Toei Animation
Pan is official material of Akira Toriyama and Toei Animation
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
Admittedly, it's probably not that hard.
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
Pan SSJ Fanart
Pan is official material of Akira Toriyama and Toei Animation
Pan is official material of Akira Toriyama and Toei Animation
"Citation needed."
"too lazy
feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
Well if it means anything, I have her both an SSJ and SSJ2 in my fanfic.
As for why she wasn't an SSJ in DBZ, it's because she appeared in the last couple of chapters where their was pretty much no conflict. GT IDK.
As for why she wasn't an SSJ in DBZ, it's because she appeared in the last couple of chapters where their was pretty much no conflict. GT IDK.
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
Because she's a woman.
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From DBM:Marco Polo wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What's so special about a female Super Saiyan to be difficult to draw?Cursed Lemon wrote:Imagine SSJ Trunks and SSJ Pan standing next to each other.
So... What was so hard about a SSJ Pan or so misleading about SSJ Pan and SSJ Trunks?
Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
Still better toyble's one:
And as for a good motivation to take that ssj transformation for those two pretty girls, just follow DBAF... 
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
Heck, we have plenty of official female Super Saiyans, and even three SS3 girls:
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
I put the lack of ssj Pan in the same boat as the lack of adult Gotenks (though Heroes recently solved the adult Gotenks thing) in that GT was so focused on their version of Gokû that new stuff for other characters (well, outside of Vegeta) didn't even enter into the discussion.
With the saiyajin avatars in Heroes (male and female) getting all these ssj forms, the only reason I can think of for Pan still not having it, at least through Heroes, is that she, along with Goten, aren't popular enough.
With the saiyajin avatars in Heroes (male and female) getting all these ssj forms, the only reason I can think of for Pan still not having it, at least through Heroes, is that she, along with Goten, aren't popular enough.
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
Which is funny, considering that all the blogs and Youtube videos I search for new Heroes news always seems to have someone ranting about Pan not getting the transformation yet. (From what I can tell with Google translate anyway.)Chuquita wrote:With the saiyajin avatars in Heroes (male and female) getting all these ssj forms, the only reason I can think of for Pan still not having it, at least through Heroes, is that she, along with Goten, aren't popular enough.
I kinda feel like they are holding her back because they know she's one of the characters we want the most, and if they give her to us, then we might lose interest. =P
Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
Am I the only one who finds that Super Saiyan hair really doesn't look very good on women?
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Re: Why didn't Pan ever go Super Saiyan?
"The Super Saiyan transformation comes in response to a need, not a desire...In all known cases, the form has been initially triggered by either desperation or indignation."
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Has Pan ever NEEDED to become a Super Saiyan? Has Pan ever been in a situation when she was her most desperate or her most indignant?
Maybe if Goku wasn't winning EVERYTHING in GT, maybe a situation would've arose.
-dragonball wiki
Has Pan ever NEEDED to become a Super Saiyan? Has Pan ever been in a situation when she was her most desperate or her most indignant?
Maybe if Goku wasn't winning EVERYTHING in GT, maybe a situation would've arose.