Why do North American fans say Kai has no blood in it?

[Daisetsu]

My memory is little bit fuzzy right now but I'm not sure if there was a similar instance, in the the original FUNi 99-00 in house dub where FUNimation did the same thing. Might have to get a hold of FUNi's original dub footage of the Freeza arc, and compare it alongside the Japanese version(Dragonbox) & Kai.

If I remember correctly, that scene was edited just like every other instance of someone coughing up blood, the blood is color changed to spit/saliva. Then you have the instances where dripping blood is changed to sweat...

[TheWhiz]

My memory is little bit fuzzy right now but I'm not sure if there was a similar instance, in the the original FUNi 99-00 in house dub where FUNimation did the same thing. Might have to get a hold of FUNi's original dub footage of the Freeza arc, and compare it alongside the Japanese version(Dragonbox) & Kai.

If I remember correctly, that scene was edited just like every other instance of someone coughing up blood, the blood is color changed to spit/saliva. Then you have the instances where dripping blood is changed to sweat...

Yeah.

[TheOverlyMadHatter]

Probably because of shots like this:

[Freeza Soldier #156]

Probably because of shots like this:

That's the only edit in Kai that makes me cringe. It's not even the lack of blood that bothers me, it's that cigarette burn on Goku that they are trying to pass off as a hole. It looks ridiculous.

[The Tori-bot]

As long as you were polite about it

bitch shut your dumb ass up.

why don't you die you mistake by your parents

your mom screams like bitch when I'm fucking her lool

No worries there, then...

[B]

It adds in swearing were there was none even in the Japanese version or manga. Like frequent use of the word "Bastard". I don't have a big problem with it as it sort of adds extra weight to the scene were Goku transforms but it is pretty clear they were going out of their way to say "This isn't a kids show".

Let's not forget "damn" and "hell". Might as well have "ass" in it or drop a f-bomb while they're at it.

According to the FCC, "fuck" is not on the same level as "damn" "hell" "ass" or "bastard."

I'm somewhere in the middle. There is that lingering feeling FUNimation stretched the language for no other reason than they could, but I don't think it's completely out of line to have them there. People should stop looking at these things as strictly black and white.

[TheBlackPaladin]

It adds in swearing were there was none even in the Japanese version or manga. Like frequent use of the word "Bastard". I don't have a big problem with it as it sort of adds extra weight to the scene were Goku transforms but it is pretty clear they were going out of their way to say "This isn't a kids show".

Let's not forget "damn" and "hell". Might as well have "ass" in it or drop a f-bomb while they're at it.

According to the FCC, "fuck" is not on the same level as "damn" "hell" "ass" or "bastard."

I'm somewhere in the middle. There is that lingering feeling FUNimation stretched the language for no other reason than they could, but I don't think it's completely out of line to have them there. People should stop looking at these things as strictly black and white.

Yeah, I personally don't think FUNimation went overboard with the swearing in their dub of Kai (if you want to see a dub that went overboard with the swearing, check out the English dub for an OVA series called Cybercity Oedo 808). In fact, I remember one instance where I was a little disappointed that there was no swearing. In the original Japanese version, right before Goku fires his final kamehameha that defeats Freeza on Namek, Goku yells, "YOU STUPID BASTARD!" I really, really, really wanted to hear Schemmel's Goku say that line in the English dub, and when I saw the scene on Nicktoons and heard Goku yelling, "YOU FOOL!" instead, I assumed that that was an edited line created specifically for the TV broadcast version. Alas, that wasn't the case...turns out he used that line in the uncut home video release as well.

[VegettoEX]

In the original Japanese version, right before Goku fires his final kamehameha that defeats Freeza on Namek, Goku yells, "YOU STUPID BASTARD!" I really, really, really wanted to hear Schemmel's Goku say that line in the English dub, and when I saw the scene on Nicktoons and heard Goku yelling, "YOU FOOL!" instead, I assumed that that was an edited line created specifically for the TV broadcast version. Alas, that wasn't the case...turns out he used that line in the uncut home video release as well.

I picture in my head him only saying "Bakayaroooooo!"

If that's the case, "You fool!" is fine. Someone else can chime in, but that feels to me similar to "Chikusho!" where you COULD harshen it up a bit if you wanted to (damn/dammit/shit/onward), but you don't necessarily need to and should look at the surrounding context, too.

Am I wrong there? Did he say something other than "bakayaro"...?

[TheBlackPaladin]

In the original Japanese version, right before Goku fires his final kamehameha that defeats Freeza on Namek, Goku yells, "YOU STUPID BASTARD!" I really, really, really wanted to hear Schemmel's Goku say that line in the English dub, and when I saw the scene on Nicktoons and heard Goku yelling, "YOU FOOL!" instead, I assumed that that was an edited line created specifically for the TV broadcast version. Alas, that wasn't the case...turns out he used that line in the uncut home video release as well.

I picture in my head him only saying "Bakayaroooooo!"

If that's the case, "You fool!" is fine. Someone else can chime in, but that feels to me similar to "Chikusho!" where you COULD harshen it up a bit if you wanted to (damn/dammit/shit/onward), but you don't necessarily need to and should look at the surrounding context, too.

Am I wrong there? Did he say something other than "bakayaro"...?

Well, yes, that's true. I suppose it could very well be that "fool" works just fine and that "stupid bastard" was simply a translational choice on the part of Steve Simmons. I'm interested to hear from somebody more familiar with the Japanese language on which one they think would fit more.

[El Diabeetus]

In the original Japanese version, right before Goku fires his final kamehameha that defeats Freeza on Namek, Goku yells, "YOU STUPID BASTARD!" I really, really, really wanted to hear Schemmel's Goku say that line in the English dub, and when I saw the scene on Nicktoons and heard Goku yelling, "YOU FOOL!" instead, I assumed that that was an edited line created specifically for the TV broadcast version. Alas, that wasn't the case...turns out he used that line in the uncut home video release as well.

I picture in my head him only saying "Bakayaroooooo!"

If that's the case, "You fool!" is fine. Someone else can chime in, but that feels to me similar to "Chikusho!" where you COULD harshen it up a bit if you wanted to (damn/dammit/shit/onward), but you don't necessarily need to and should look at the surrounding context, too.

Am I wrong there? Did he say something other than "bakayaro"...?

Well, yes, that's true. I suppose it could very well be that "fool" works just fine and that "stupid bastard" was simply a translational choice on the part of Steve Simmons. I'm interested to hear from somebody more familiar with the Japanese language on which one they think would fit more.

I'd personally go with dumbass in a dubbing case. Since baka is literally idiot/fool/dumb/stupid and yarou is a really rude way of saying you. You stupid bastard fits the context well especially with how Goku speaks. Just seems like you might have to say the line fast to get it all in time. All I know is I agree with you that I'd like to hear it, but Schemmel's delievery there was pretty damn solid.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I'd personally go with dumbass in a dubbing case. Since baka is literally idiot/fool/dumb/stupid and yarou is a really rude way of saying you. You stupid bastard fits the context well especially with how Goku speaks. Just seems like you might have to say the line fast to get it all in time. All I know is I agree with you that I'd like to hear it, but Schemmel's delievery there was pretty damn solid.

Oh absolutely, I totally bought Schemmel's delivery there too, it was great. A small part of me just wonders if the end result might have been more powerful if they had gone with the translation Simmons came up with.

Speaking as a Dragon Ball fan--albeit one who doesn't know enough about Japanese to determine on my own whether "bastard" or "fool" was a better call--I personally would have gone with "bastard." It strikes me as being both more rage-filled than "fool," and a tad less refined in language. Most of the time, when I hear the average person describing someone as unintelligent, it's using terms like "idiot," "stupid," or, as you pointed out, "dumbass." I personally don't hear the term "fool" used that often outside of people who insist on using particularly eloquent language, and Goku, well...ain't known for being eloquent.

[Puto]

I'd personally have gone with 'moron'. Dunno how acceptable or PC that'd be in America though.

[MR.Mark]

Probably because of shots like this:

That's the only edit in Kai that makes me cringe. It's not even the lack of blood that bothers me, it's that cigarette burn on Goku that they are trying to pass off as a hole. It looks ridiculous.

I'll admit that one went a little to far, but to be fair, everything else violence wise on Kai has been just fine. Impalement's must be one of the new taboos for today's Japanese broadcast standards I guess.
That one shot is hardly a deal breaker in the grand scheme of things however.

[ChibiGoku]

Impalement's must be one of the new taboos for today's Japanese broadcast standards I guess.

Considering the Kuririn impalement scene made it intact, I suspect that wasn't the case. The problem was probably the sheer size of the hole.

[dbboxkaifan]

Impalement's must be one of the new taboos for today's Japanese broadcast standards I guess.

Considering the Kuririn impalement scene made it intact, I suspect that wasn't the case. The problem was probably the sheer size of the hole.

It was intact but it lasted less than in Z. This was one of the few moments which I enjoyed seeing Kuririn being toyed around with.

[Daisetsu]

What's more confusing is that King Cold's hole-in-chest bit was left completely intact and I believe it's also one of the redrawn scenes.

[TheGmGoken]

It was intact but it lasted less than in Z. This was one of the few moments which I enjoyed seeing Kuririn being toyed around with.

It lasted shorter than Z because they removed filler. The manga version was even shorter

[BurakkuForesuto]

What bugs me about them is that they're incredibly hypocritical. The Z dub was censored on TV, uncut on DVD. So is the Kai dub. Why is so hard for them to understand that?

Though I'm not defending the Z dub at all, the broadcast at least had significant amounts of blood for what it was worth. Even the AB Groupe/Airwaves dub had blood. If you watch any of the SSJ2 Kid Gohan episodes, he has blood, whenever he powers up and that was censored EVEN more than the Toonami/American broadcast. Kai didn't have that.

[DBZAOTA482]

It adds in swearing were there was none even in the Japanese version or manga. Like frequent use of the word "Bastard". I don't have a big problem with it as it sort of adds extra weight to the scene were Goku transforms but it is pretty clear they were going out of their way to say "This isn't a kids show".

Let's not forget "damn" and "hell". Might as well have "ass" in it or drop a f-bomb while they're at it.

According to the FCC, "fuck" is not on the same level as "damn" "hell" "ass" or "bastard."

I'm somewhere in the middle. There is that lingering feeling FUNimation stretched the language for no other reason than they could, but I don't think it's completely out of line to have them there. People should stop looking at these things as strictly black and white.

I'm not saying I'm against them having the characters with the frequency of thugs as an attempt to properly portray the stress from the crazy shit that happens practically non-stop in the series. Just saiyan if they're gonna do that then go the extra mile 'cuz it's too repetitive as it is.

[Hellspawn28]

Some people forget that you did had DBZ fans bitching about DBZ on Toonami back in the old days too for editing out the blood and how the English voices suck compare to the Japaneses ones on the web. 15+ years later, now it's the kids who watch DBZ on Toonami bitching how Kai edited out stuff. I wonder if kids who watch Kai on the CW and Nick Toons will bitch about the next DBZ remake in 15 years from now ?