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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 3)

Post by Valerius Dover » Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:59 am

Herms wrote:
--In the manga there’s a whole panel devoted to explaining the rules behind Oolong’s shape-shifting abilities (5 minutes on, 1 minute off, etc), so in the anime we get a brief scene with the narrator explaining what’s what. It’s not the sort of thing we get in DB very often, and it feels a bit weird. Compare this to Yu Yu Hakusho, where this sort of thing happens all the time. Whenever a new item, technique, or concept is introduced, more often than not the story will pause while the narrator explains the details. Toriyama's on record as saying that he finds explanations tedious, so even if he has ideas about how stuff works he'll just leave out an in-depth explanation if it's too much of a bother. Still, Dr. Slump has quite a few explanations for Senbei's various inventions; maybe Toriyama just burned out on them?
Maybe you know this, but it's actually Oolong who narrates it in the dub. I can sort of imagine the narrator doing it, but I think that sounds kind of awkward. :D
Anyway, cool that you've decided to see the anime. Hope you survive all the filler! I haven't seen it in Japanese yet, but I will eventually.
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 3)

Post by rereboy » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:10 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
I doubt a 40 foot tall bear would have any trouble lifting a ton.
That part was just to disagree with your claim that Goku didn't lift anything very heavy. As for the bear's defeat, unless his skull was very significantly harder than a rock boulder of around 1 ton, his defeat in that fashion is not surprising considering how Goku had reduced a rock boulder of that weight and size to rubble just by compressing it with his arms.

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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 3)

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:19 am

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RandomGuy96 wrote:
I doubt a 40 foot tall bear would have any trouble lifting a ton.
That part was just to disagree with your claim that Goku didn't lift anything very heavy. As for the bear's defeat, unless his skull was very significantly harder than a rock boulder of around 1 ton, his defeat in that fashion is not surprising considering how Goku had reduced a rock boulder of that weight and size to rubble just by compressing it with his arms.
I was actually referring to Goku struggling while wearing a 45 pound shell. I never said he couldn't lift anything very heavy.

Goku's ability to one-shot the bear bandit doesn't fit SOME (or maybe just one) of his strength feats, but going by the majority of feats, the story doesn't seem to support everyone being on that level yet. Pistol bullets still hurt Goku, men with guns are a genuine threat, peak human running speed is relevant, etc. It doesn't seem like he should be strong enough to one-shot a bear this freaking big.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 4)

Post by Herms » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:43 am

Kid Buu wrote:Since you are interested in the "filler" I would recommend you watch the 1989 Dragon Ball Z instead of the 2009 Version. You have to endure the pacing we all endured back in the day. :P
I'm definitely going to watch Z rather than Kai, if that's what you mean. If for no other reason than I don't own Kai. Assuming I get that far, of course.
Gaffer Tape wrote:It's been a long time since I watched it, but I seem to remember in the original 1995 dub, it actually WAS the voice of Gohan imparting words of wisdom to Goku.
That's pretty interesting, considering that Grandpa Gohan doesn't make a proper appearance until long after the batch of episodes they dubbed back then.
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--I never noticed before, but Sea Turtle describes himself as having gotten separated from “everyone” while out mushroom-hunting. Who’s “everyone”? His sea turtle friends? We never really see him hang out with anyone besides Kame-sennin.
He says that in the manga too right?
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GarrettCRW wrote:If the subtitles are the same ones in the singles, I noticed a number of inconsistencies in the subtitles, myself (which is astonishing given my limited knowledge of Japanese)-lots of pafu pafu references left unaddressed even though the first one is fully explained (and despite the Z subtitles diligently keeping the references explicit at all times), and a direct mention of the Famicom waved off by a generic "video games" even though the reference came right around the time Shenron no Nazo was released for the Famicom.
I have heard about the subtitles for DB having some issues compared to the DBZ/GT ones, and I've noticed some stuff myself (though they're still fine like 99% of the time from what I've seen). Currently I'm just watching without subtitles and only putting them on if I'm curious how a particular thing got handled.
Gyt Kaliba wrote:Gah, it's making me want to get to my re-watch too...but so many other things to watch first...
That's pretty much been the reason I've never gotten around to seeing the entire anime before. I already know the manga so well, and I've seen most of the anime at least once, so whenever I thought up going all the way through I always decided to just go watch something totally new instead.
Gaffer Tape wrote:I have a question, though. It wasn't really clear to me whether or not Blooma's reference to the Tamate-Bako was in the manga, or if it was just something you noticed in the anime.
Kenisu3000 already answered this, but yeah, it's in the manga too. I'll try to be clearer from now on about whether something is anime-only, or if it's in the manga too and I just never noticed before/just felt like commenting on it.
RandomGuy96 wrote:It always struck me as odd that Goku could defeat this guy so easily. Even if those later shots are just exaggerated and he's just supposed to be the size of a regular bear, then... well, he's still the size of a goddamn bear! Goku around this time can still be hurt by bullets, can only run about as fast as an Olympic athlete, and has trouble with relatively pitiful amounts of weight. I dunno, it just seems weird that a bear is nothing to him, especially if he really is supposed to be the size of a mountain.
Goku beating the bear bandit guy has always struck me as his most impressive "feat" from this period.
I really enjoyed these first few "reviews", or "let's watches", or whatever you call them. I'm looking forward to more, assuming you don't lose interest after literally hundreds of episodes.
Yeah...I'm going to try to at least finish DB, since that's the anime series where there are literally dozens of episodes I've never seen before. Which is funny, considering I probably like that portion of the manga best overall. With Z/GT, I've seen every episode at least once, but there's a ton of episodes I've only seen once, and in general it's been many years since I sat down and watched an entire story arc or anything like that.
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 4)

Post by GarrettCRW » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:38 am

Herms wrote:
GarrettCRW wrote:If the subtitles are the same ones in the singles, I noticed a number of inconsistencies in the subtitles, myself (which is astonishing given my limited knowledge of Japanese)-lots of pafu pafu references left unaddressed even though the first one is fully explained (and despite the Z subtitles diligently keeping the references explicit at all times), and a direct mention of the Famicom waved off by a generic "video games" even though the reference came right around the time Shenron no Nazo was released for the Famicom.
I have heard about the subtitles for DB having some issues compared to the DBZ/GT ones, and I've noticed some stuff myself (though they're still fine like 99% of the time from what I've seen). Currently I'm just watching without subtitles and only putting them on if I'm curious how a particular thing got handled.
It's definitely very infrequent (not translating "Murasaki" to "Purple" is the single biggest issue, and even then it's just a few episodes out of 153), but the few issues are just really glaring.

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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 4)

Post by VegettoEX » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:42 am

GarrettCRW wrote: (not translating "Murasaki" to "Purple" is the single biggest issue, and even then it's just a few episodes out of 153)
I dunno. That's kind of an intentional (non-)translation choice. Part of the point of his name is that he's the only one whose name is NOT the color using the English word. There's Red, Black, Silver, etc... but he's not パープル (pāpuru), he's ムラサキ (murasaki). If you translate "Murasaki" into "Purple" for his name, you lose that fact.

Either way you "lose" something, but I wouldn't call it a mistake or even an "issue".
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 3)

Post by rereboy » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:18 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
I was actually referring to Goku struggling while wearing a 45 pound shell. I never said he couldn't lift anything very heavy.

Goku's ability to one-shot the bear bandit doesn't fits SOME (or maybe just one) of his strength feats, but going by the majority of feats, the story doesn't seem to support everyone being on that level yet. Pistol bullets still hurt Goku, men with guns are a genuine threat, peak human running speed is relevant, etc. It doesn't seem like he should be strong enough to one-shot a bear this freaking big.
All that matters is that he has other feats that place him at a level that could crush the skull of that bear. The inconsistency of those feats with others feats later on doesn't really matter towards his victory over the bear being surprising or not at that point of the story.

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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 4)

Post by UltimateHammerBro » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:19 am

I think that a logical way to do it would be translating "Murasaki" into whatever language the show is being translated. The only problem would be English, but I don't understand why it's untranslated in other languages.
I checked the Spanish version to make sure. He's called Murasaki, while all the other members have their names in English.
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 4)

Post by Herms » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:27 am

UltimateHammerBro wrote:I think that a logical way to do it would be translating "Murasaki" into whatever language the show is being translated. The only problem would be English, but I don't understand why it's untranslated in other languages.
I checked the Spanish version to make sure. He's called Murasaki, while all the other members have their names in English.
I assume the idea is that since he's a ninja he should have a Japanese name no matter. I mean, I'm pretty sure the whole "ninja=Japanese" connection is why Toriyama made him the only RR member to be named after the Japanese word for a color in the first place.
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 4)

Post by UltimateHammerBro » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:01 pm

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UltimateHammerBro wrote:I think that a logical way to do it would be translating "Murasaki" into whatever language the show is being translated. The only problem would be English, but I don't understand why it's untranslated in other languages.
I checked the Spanish version to make sure. He's called Murasaki, while all the other members have their names in English.
I assume the idea is that since he's a ninja he should have a Japanese name no matter. I mean, I'm pretty sure the whole "ninja=Japanese" connection is why Toriyama made him the only RR member to be named after the Japanese word for a color in the first place.
I agree. However, I think that everyone can make the "ninja=Japanese" (or at least, "Asian") connection, while using Murasaki can make people think that that's his actual name (I did until I read this topic, for example). That's why I think that translating his name and leaving the others in English is enough (for non-English version) to make it sure viewers get that he isn't named the same way as the other RR members.
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 4)

Post by soulnova » Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:46 pm

UltimateHammerBro wrote:I think that a logical way to do it would be translating "Murasaki" into whatever language the show is being translated. The only problem would be English, but I don't understand why it's untranslated in other languages.
I checked the Spanish version to make sure. He's called Murasaki, while all the other members have their names in English.

As I remember "Murasaki" was translated as "Ninja Púrpura" in Latin Spanish.
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 4)

Post by UltimateHammerBro » Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:48 pm

soulnova wrote:
UltimateHammerBro wrote:I think that a logical way to do it would be translating "Murasaki" into whatever language the show is being translated. The only problem would be English, but I don't understand why it's untranslated in other languages.
I checked the Spanish version to make sure. He's called Murasaki, while all the other members have their names in English.
As I remember "Murasaki" was translated as "Ninja Púrpura" in Latin Spanish.
Did the other names remain in English or were they translated too?
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 4)

Post by Herms » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:12 pm

UltimateHammerBro wrote:I agree. However, I think that everyone can make the "ninja=Japanese" (or at least, "Asian") connection, while using Murasaki can make people think that that's his actual name (I did until I read this topic, for example).
I'm not sure what you mean; "Murasaki" is the character's actual name.

Anyway, here's episodes 5 and 6:

Episode 5
The Strong Villain of the Desert, Yamcha


--This episode opens with the Ultra Man fish crying “Shuwatch” (Ultra Man’s catchphrase). This joke is carried over from the manga, but in the anime it’s a bit more blink-and-you’ll-miss-it.

--I love the little scene the anime adds in showing off what a fearsome guy Gyuumao is, with its sketchy, white-on-black images. Builds him up pretty well; we even get to see his axe smash through rock.

--I like how zero effort is made to have Goku sound like he’s actually underwater, during the scene where he swims after Oolong. He talks as if he’s right on dry land.

--The incredibly goofy music that plays as Goku and Yamcha start fighting is evidence that at this point they still considered the series to be mainly about gags and adventure rather than action-packed battles. If you’re coming at this knowing what the series eventually morphs into, it might seem like a fairly pivotal moment: Goku’s first fight against a worthy opponent. But the way the anime handles it, Yamcha’s just the latest wacky character Goku encounters, and the fact that he’s good at martial arts isn’t any more important than the fact that Oolong can turn into panties.

--Really, overall this episode has a surprisingly low-key feel to it. It might just be the tinny audio quality, but the acting all seems a bit flat too.

--The highpoint of the whole episode is Yamcha’s reaction to Bulma, which is animated perfectly.

Episode 6
The Midnight Visitors


--The opening narration says that it’s been one week since Goku left his home. The manga doesn’t say anything so specific, but we clearly see Goku and Bulma spend the night after they meet, then help out Sea Turtle the following morning. In the manga the narrator says three days pass between their meeting Kame-sennin and them encountering Oolong (pretty sure this wasn’t said in the anime), putting it on Day 5 of their trip. After that it’s a bit tricky, because there’s no clear indication how much time passes between them meeting Oolong and their encounter with Yamcha. The Daizenshuu 7 timeline says it’s the next day, so Day 6 of their trip. Since this episode takes place during the night between Day 6 and Day 7 of the trip, I guess it’s all more or less consistent. But this does mean that Goku spends a day with Oolong before thinking to ask Bulma “hey, why are we taking this guy with us?”

--More stuff debuting in filler ahead of time: Shu and Mai use the same robots (or powered suits, really) that they later use to steal Bulma and co.’s dragon balls.

--For some reason it cracks me up seeing the AM/PM setting on Shu’s time bomb.

--In fact, the entire filler subplot with Shu and Mai and their pathetic attempts at planting a time bomb amuse me greatly, and the way it intersects with the main story is well done. More filler should be like this.

--Oolong’s house wagon has 烏龍, the written characters for his namesake Oolong tea, written on the side. Oolong’s name itself though it always written in katakana (as ウーロン). The tea name is actually Chinese for “black dragon” (“long”=dragon, just like with Shenlong). 烏/Oo/wu usually means "crow", but can also mean "black" via a kind of game of free association.

--Yamcha asks Puar how long they’ve known each other, and Puar says it’s “two years come next month”. Pretty sure that’s not specified anywhere in the manga. It is however part of the Daizenshuu 7 timeline, which has them meet in Age 747, two years before Goku and Bulma meet in Age 749. I never knew where they were getting that bit from until now, though I did suspect it was some anime thing.

--When Yamcha’s looking around Bulma’s room, and is convinced against all logic that the big human-shaped lump under the bed sheets is actually a pile of dragon balls, the anime has him unknowingly squeeze one of her boobs. “Oh, dragon balls are squishier than I thought”, he comments. One of Toei’s classier moments (OK, obviously Toriyama’s no better).

--When Bulma walks out in her bunny costume, the anime has a brief shot of her standing in front of a background featuring rabbits and the moon. In Asian folklore they have the Rabbit in the Moon instead of the Man in the Moon, so the two often get grouped together in manga and anime. See Sailor Moon for the most famous example. This may, possibly, be relevant again in a few more episodes.

--After Shu and Mai get the business end of their own time bomb, the image of them all blowed up is based on how they look in the manga after they crash their plane fleeing from Oozaru Goku.
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 5-6)

Post by Kid Buu » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:17 pm

Yeah, that battle with Yamcha is pretty much the only "fight fight" of the first arc. It's a pretty funny fight though.
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 5-6)

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:28 pm

--The incredibly goofy music that plays as Goku and Yamcha start fighting is evidence that at this point they still considered the series to be mainly about gags and adventure rather than action-packed battles. If you’re coming at this knowing what the series eventually morphs into, it might seem like a fairly pivotal moment: Goku’s first fight against a worthy opponent. But the way the anime handles it, Yamcha’s just the latest wacky character Goku encounters, and the fact that he’s good at martial arts isn’t any more important than the fact that Oolong can turn into panties.
Well, I wouldn't exactly call Yamcha a worthy opponent. Goku is at a disadvantage only because of his hunger, their first battle ends with Yamcha fleeing and Goku standing, and the second battle ends with Yamcha getting beaten up and sent running. But he didn't just get one-shotted both times, like Goku's other opponents, so I guess he could count as a worthy opponent in relative terms.
Yeah...I'm going to try to at least finish DB, since that's the anime series where there are literally dozens of episodes I've never seen before. Which is funny, considering I probably like that portion of the manga best overall. With Z/GT, I've seen every episode at least once, but there's a ton of episodes I've only seen once, and in general it's been many years since I sat down and watched an entire story arc or anything like that.
Do you mean that hte whole stretch of story from the very beginning to Piccolo Jr's defeat is your favorite part of the series, or was it something more specific?
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:39 pm

Yamcha has never been a match for Goku (except maybe the anniversary film since it's the same fight without the hunger excuse), but he does last more panels then any other antagonist lasts against Goku in this saga.
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 5-6)

Post by Attitudefan » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:51 pm

--In fact, the entire filler subplot with Shu and Mai and their pathetic attempts at planting a time bomb amuse me greatly, and the way it intersects with the main story is well done. More filler should be like this.
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 5-6)

Post by Herms » Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:19 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Do you mean that hte whole stretch of story from the very beginning to Piccolo Jr's defeat is your favorite part of the series, or was it something more specific?
Well, the Piccolo/23rd TB stuff is pretty much my favorite portion of the entire franchise overall, but I'm pretty fond of everything before it as well.

Anyway, here's episodes 7-8:

Episode 7
Gyuumao of Mt. Frypan


--Far and away the most important thing about the next three episodes is the number of times the animators forget to draw on Bulma's fishnet stockings.

--The opening narration says that it’s “two days into their drive” when the group reaches Mt. Frypan. Since last episode said it had been a week since Goku left home, that puts this episode as Day 9 of his trip.

--This episode (and equivalent chapter) reveal that Mt. Frypan’s original name back before it caught fire was 涼景山/Ryoukei-zan, the “Mountain of Refreshing Scenery”. The Funi subtitles call it “Chilly Mountain”. I guess “chilly” and “refreshing” are in the same ballpark, but the former has a fairly negative connotation while the later has a positive one. The whole idea is that the mountain used to be a nice place to live before it got all hot, so in that sense I don’t think “Chilly Mountain” quite works.

--Anyway, we’re told here that the place caught fire after a “Fire Spirit fell from the heavens”. You might assume the fact that there are “Fire Spirits” who can sometimes fall down to Earth would be the sort of thing to eventually be followed up on or factor into later worldbuilding in some way, but that of course would be silly.

--Although on that note, in about 140 episodes we’re going to be told that Mt. Frypan’s fire is actually due to there being a hole in the mystic furnace on the opposite side of the planet.

--Goku looks oddly happy when he shouts that Oolong is running away again.

--The Pilaf filler for this episode shows Shu and Mai arriving back at Pilaf’s castle on foot, being in none too fine a state after last week’s time bomb. The thing is, next episode we learn that Pilaf’s castle (the location of the final dragon ball) is far to the west of Mt. Frypan. And Mt. Frypan is supposed to be far to the west of the desert where Bulma and co. met Yamcha. In other words, Shu and Mai have apparently travelled much further these last two days on foot half-dead than Bulma and co. have driving their car.

--You may notice, based on the above, that Bulma and co. pretty much spend this entire story arc traveling west. That’s not a coincidence, given DB’s source material.

--In the manga Gyuumao notices Goku’s Nyoibo right away and starts chatting with him about Gohan, so we never get to see them fight. The anime though adds in a brief fight scene before Gyuumao spots the staff. And it goes remarkably poorly for Goku, with Gyuumao outclassing him without even seeming to realize he’s in a fight. Goku’s punches just make Gyuumao itch, and he cries “can’t I hurt this guy?” in exasperation. He does make some headway by zipping around Gyuumao on Kinto’un to make him dizzy, but even that’s not too effective.

--And after that, the two bond over their mutual connection to Gohan, and…that’s it. In the long run Goku doesn’t seem all that phased to meet somehow vastly stronger than him. There’s no “I’m gonna surpass that guy!” or excitement over finding a powerful opponent. Maybe seeing Kame-sennin’s Kamehameha so soon afterward pushes Gyuumao from Goku’s mind, but it still feels a bit weird in light of Goku’s attitude throughout the rest of the series. This is also probably the only point in the series where Goku can flat-out lose a fight and the story just goes on like nothing happened. It’s not treated as a dramatic moment or anything.

Episode 8
Kame-sennin’s Kamehameha


--There’s a great fansubs-style moment with the Funi subtitles, where Kame-sennin says that he got Kinto’un “from Kami-sama” and a note below explains “[Kami-sama=God]”.

--Speaking of which, obviously we eventually learn that Kame-sennin received his Kinto-un from Karin, who has a big one that people can just break chunks off of. Karin’s called a “god of the martial arts” and is supposed to be a kind of intermediary between the God of Earth and regular people (meaning he’s basically the one who has to do all the work), so I guess this isn’t too big of an inconsistency. But it is classic Toriyama for a character to offhandedly state that they received something from God and then not have this statement explained or followed up on in any way for over a hundred chapters.

--We don’t get to see much of Kame-sennin’s driver’s license in the manga, but the anime gives us a big close-up. Kame-sennin’s birthday? “It’s always my birthday”.

--Gamera is really neat. Gamera is filled with meat. We all love you, Gamera.

--The Funi dub of this episode contains the clear highlight of their entire dub, namely Kame-sennin’s rendition of “Buffalo Gal”.

--In the manga Kame-sennin vomits from dizziness once he gets off Baby Gamera, but in the anime he simply falls over.

--Here (and in the equivalent manga chapter) Oolong predicts that Bulma won’t have a pleasant death. He’s completely right, unless you consider getting eaten by Majin Boo to be pleasant. This is his first bit of remarkable insight this story arc.

--As the episode ends, it’s shown to be sunset. This is a departure from the manga, where we don’t see any nighttime or sunrises/sunsets anywhere between the morning after Yamcha’s nighttime attack and the night when Pilaf summons Shenlong. We’re told in both versions that after their encounter with Yamcha it takes the group two days to reach Mt. Frypan, but after that there’s no solid indication of how much time is passing, apart from this anime sunset. Daizenshuu 7 places the Mt. Frypan, Rabbit Gang, and Pilaf stuff all on the same day, which seems a bit cramped but is perfectly consistent with the manga version (and God knows there are more jam-packed days in the Z era). For the anime though it’s got to be at least two days because of this sunset, bringing the grand total up to a minimum of 10 days.
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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 7-8)

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:08 pm

--Here (and in the equivalent manga chapter) Oolong predicts that Bulma won’t have a pleasant death. He’s completely right, unless you consider getting eaten by Majin Boo to be pleasant. This is his first bit of remarkable insight this story arc.
Doubly so when you remember that she was probably conscious during it. Vegetto was conscious upon being turned into candy, and the guidebooks only said that his "properties" (likely something to do with the Kaioshin magic from his earrings) allowed him to keep his power, implying he stayed self-aware either way...
--We don’t get to see much of Kame-sennin’s driver’s license in the manga, but the anime gives us a big close-up. Kame-sennin’s birthday? “It’s always my birthday”.
Anything else notable on there? Like his height/weight? If I'm not mistaken, Yamcha's height and weight were displayed in the anime when 19 read him, so I'm wondering how many of those heights and weights the SEG got from here.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Herms watches the show (update: DB 4)

Post by Adamant » Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:29 pm

UltimateHammerBro wrote:I think that a logical way to do it would be translating "Murasaki" into whatever language the show is being translated.
That's indeed what the Norwegian manga translation did. It's pretty flawed in general, but that was a nice touch.
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