"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:29 pm

Interesting. Did they do the same with SS/2/3 Vegeta?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by dbgtFO » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:34 pm

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dbgtFO wrote:Shouldn't be that difficult to translate, when we already have Hakaioshin(God of Destruction).
Very true. Though Beerus is the Hakaishin; there is no "o" in it. Otherwise he'd be something like "God of the King(s) of Destruction", similar to how Kaioshin is roughly "God(s) of the King(s) of Worlds"
I see. That does make more sense that way.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:38 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Interesting. Did they do the same with SS/2/3 Vegeta?
Nope, Vegeta keeps his original naming scheme of "Vegeta" and then the form listed separately in it's own section on the back of the card. Apparently these new enslavements aren't the same as the one used on Vegeta (and I guess the other characters in the series proper). Hakaio, unlike all the others we've seen up till this point, are given pure white eyes with no pupils. Even the characters that originally had alternate colors, like Janenba or Super 13's yellow/orange.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:50 pm

It won't surprise me if Majin Bardock shows up next. Heroes needs to find away to milk Bardock to the extreme.
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Post by Rukura » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:01 pm

Hatchihyack is made out of hatred, Babidi being able to control that hatred makes sense to me. But was nº 13 a cyborgue or an android? Because if he was an android, he couldn't be controlled by his magic, right? Or maybe I'm just giving that way too much thought either way?
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:06 pm

13 was a fully mechanical model, though I wouldn't really pay any attention to that. It's magic. In Dragon Ball. A series with talking animal people and its fair share of poop jokes (early on). Just roll with it. :P
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Post by goku the krump dancer » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:38 pm

Guess Vegeta is the only one with some form of control over himself, everyone else looks like mindless zombies.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:28 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:13 was a fully mechanical model
Are you taking that from the recent Toriyama interview, or this is said somewhere else as well?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:19 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:13 was a fully mechanical model
Are you taking that from the recent Toriyama interview, or this is said somewhere else as well?
Ignoring the fact that it's pretty obvious all three of them are artificial in Movie 7 alone (I mean, 14 and 15 have internal scanners and 13 absorbs computer chips into his head, among other things), Daizenshuu 6's section on the film lists them as "completely artificial".
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:30 am

I still won't mind seeing Majin SSj Saiyan Saga Vegeta and Majin GT Vegeta. Majin Bebi Vegeta would be super over killed though :lol: .
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Post by Cetra » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:54 am

I would not rely too much on those "artificial" and "mechanical" and "robot" things, because the story often presents several of them as A.I. Some of them have souls. They are just no natural born beings and were created to be robots at first by Gero/Dr. Mu but that is really all. 16 had his goal but he had interests (nature) and feelings (love nature, worried about his comrades and stopped Cell) and made decisions (not to attack Goku at the Cell games though it was his main reason for being created, getting those interests, sacrifice himself, et cetera). Just as in GT everyone on M2 was like "don't be silly, Giru is just a simple Robot, he does not know what friendship is" and he exactly proved them wrong.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:25 am

Cetra wrote:Just as in GT everyone on M2 was like "don't be silly, Giru is just a simple Robot, he does not know what friendship is" and he exactly proved them wrong.
To be fair, in GT, Machine Mutants are much more advanced than any of the non-human-based creations Gero had made, before Cell. They are as close to a living biological lifeform as a machine can be; they have actual organic ki.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:27 pm

I'm surprise that Super 13 got a Majin treatment instead of Broli. Super 13 never seem to be that popular if you ask me.
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Post by Cetra » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:35 pm

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Cetra wrote:Just as in GT everyone on M2 was like "don't be silly, Giru is just a simple Robot, he does not know what friendship is" and he exactly proved them wrong.
To be fair, in GT, Machine Mutants are much more advanced than any of the non-human-based creations Gero had made, before Cell. They are as close to a living biological lifeform as a machine can be; they have actual organic ki.
Yes, but Giru/Gill was no Machine Mutant. Those guys are bionic and actually live. The Mega Cannon guys talked about him as a robot who just does what he is programmed to do. And that is exactly what he did not do. Android 19 was able to feel fear and 16 is the most obvious so both Gero and Mu were able to create robots that got an A.I. which was not planned. If you really become your own individual, in their case an A.I. then that is a soul/consciousness, something that makes you an actual individual existence which lives, can learn, make decisions, feel, et cetera - they are just not as we are as they are not born naturally but I guess you know what I mean. There are many stories about those "absolute A.I.s".
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Hellspawn28 wrote:I'm surprise that Super 13 got a Majin treatment instead of Broli. Super 13 never seem to be that popular if you ask me.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:36 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I'm surprise that Super 13 got a Majin treatment instead of Broli. Super 13 never seem to be that popular if you ask me.
Maybe we'll get him as a SEC.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:34 pm

I wonder if any GT characters will go Majin? I think GT Vegeta going Majin will be possible.
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Post by DNA » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:00 am

Hi peeps, I've updated my list into a more interesting model.
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Now it's got a card image for each character and form. Thanks to TheDevilsCorpse for the card images. I hope you enjoy it!
If you can pinpoint me to the cards for the missing forms I'll add them promptly.

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Post by Jaruka » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:08 am

DNA wrote:Hi peeps, I've updated my list into a more interesting model.
Heroes Card Database
Now it's got a card image for each character and form. Thanks to TheDevilsCorpse for the card images. I hope you enjoy it!
If you can pinpoint me to the cards for the missing forms I'll add them promptly.
Awesome man, I really like it but it appears that some images such as GT Goku Super Saiyan 2 and Majin Vegeta Super Saiyan 3 are not appearing whatsoever (I have refreshed several times). Just to let you know, thanks for working on this man.
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Post by DNA » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:10 am

Jaruka wrote:Awesome man, I really like it but it appears that some images such as GT Goku Super Saiyan 2 and Majin Vegeta Super Saiyan 3 are not appearing whatsoever (I have refreshed several times). Just to let you know, thanks for working on this man.
As explained:
DNA wrote:Note1: Forms between asterisks (*name*) are placeholders for nonexistent forms within the game. Otherwise, the form exists but the card doesn’t.
DNA wrote:If you can pinpoint me to the cards for the missing forms I'll add them promptly.
Goku GT Super Saiyan 2, Gotenks GT Super Saiyan 2, Gohan GT Infected, Gohan Future Base, Neko Majin Mike, Neko Main Z, Super Neko Majin Z are all missing.
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