Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[ZombieVito]

I hope the US release is the extended one. It sucked that the Mexican one wasn't.

[Valerius Dover]

Don't know about the theatrical release, but Sean's leak and the cast list pretty much tell us that we are getting the extended one, somehow.

[Vice]

Okay, honestly, not a fan of the Whis > Bills thing Toriyama decided to go with here. The entire movie is sent hyping up Bills as being the strongest being in the universe where Whis unquestionably plays the subservient role, yet, in a throwaway line at the end that adds absolutely nothing to the plot, Whis is the stronger one?

C'mon Toriyama, that's just not good.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Okay, honestly, not a fan of the Whis > Bills thing Toriyama decided to go with here. The entire movie is sent hyping up Bills as being the strongest being in the universe where Whis unquestionably plays the subservient role, yet, in a throwaway line at the end that adds absolutely nothing to the plot, Whis is the stronger one?

C'mon Toriyama, that's just not good.

It will probably have some use in future stories.

[WittyUsername]

Okay, honestly, not a fan of the Whis > Bills thing Toriyama decided to go with here. The entire movie is sent hyping up Bills as being the strongest being in the universe where Whis unquestionably plays the subservient role, yet, in a throwaway line at the end that adds absolutely nothing to the plot, Whis is the stronger one?

C'mon Toriyama, that's just not good.

To be fair, it does sort of stay true to the Dragon Ball tradition that there is always a stronger opponent out there somewhere. Actually, a lot of manga/anime seem to do stuff like that. Take Yu Yu Hakusho for instance, when Toguro was introduced, he was hyped up as this all powerful demon that no one except Yusuke could ever hope to match, then in the later arc, we learn that there are literally armies of demons more powerful than him.

[Cetra]

I just fully watched the movie for the first time and leaving its inconsistencies aside I thought it was really good. I did not like that it no longer had that art of the old series and was animated that much but it still is in my top 3 (with Broly and Hildegarn). Seriously Whis is such a dorky character that he is just cool. Just like Mr. Satan.

The movie makes Goku waiting for Oob a bit odd though. Beerus is like 4234723498734927058734897508 times stronger.

[Gyt Kaliba]

The movie makes Goku waiting for Oob a bit odd though. Beerus is like 4234723498734927058734897508 times stronger.

Personally, I like to chalk that up to two things.

1) Oob has the full potential to be as strong as Kid Boo was at the young age of 10. That's probably just the tip of the iceberg, so if he trains hard (which as we see he'd clearly have to), by the time he reaches the ability to use that strength, he's likely going to have built up even MORE power to eventually gain access too, much like Gohan did over his lifetime.

2) It could be that Goku is once again honestly looking for someone to 'replace' himself one day, since Gohan and the other boys clearly aren't up to that task. Granted this would just be part of his interest in Oob of course, since like Vegeta pointed out, Goku really just wants to fight. So...it's probably mostly #1.

[Cetra]

1) Oob has the full potential to be as strong as Kid Boo was at the young age of 10. That's probably just the tip of the iceberg, so if he trains hard (which as we see he'd clearly have to), by the time he reaches the ability to use that strength, he's likely going to have built up even MORE power to eventually gain access too, much like Gohan did over his lifetime.

That still makes Goku waiting for meeting Oob and waiting for the first fight itself pretty anticlimactic. I have no doubt that Oob himself can be strong. I love GT and in GT he fought Baby and he even put up a good fight before he decided to fool Baby with his magic.

2) It could be that Goku is once again honestly looking for someone to 'replace' himself one day, since Gohan and the other boys clearly aren't up to that task. Granted this would just be part of his interest in Oob of course, since like Vegeta pointed out, Goku really just wants to fight. So...it's probably mostly #1.

Goku always had that "I want to fight the most powerful and I can't be around forever" thinking so that is also nothing I doubt. I just think, as mentioned it is very anticlimactic to give Goku a battle against Beerus while waiting 10 years for Oob which he even says and then still be so excited and let him tell Vegeta "well I have to fight in the tournament, there is someone really strong" and then "I have waited for this guy during my training time all along". Goku was always satisfied with someone strong even if that one was not actually the strongest right now but the difference at that time is so high that it just seems odd to me.

Btw. does the extended version solve why Bulma says she is 38 and they even repeat that later when she should be in her early 40s? Do they say something like "Yeah ... right ..." in the extended version to show it is suspicious what she says or was it just left like that?

[Retan]

I never got the whole Oob love affair thing, I think Goku just want's a good fight against new people, and maybe want's someone much younger then him to take his role eventually, something his kids no longer enjoy doing, someone who could really love earth, like only an earthling can.

[Cetra]

I never got the whole Oob love affair thing, ...

What?

[Retan]

I never got the whole Oob love affair thing, ...

What?

Oob fanboys buddy pay attention, plus Goku choosing him and him supposed to be awesome even though he clearly wasn't.

[Gyt Kaliba]

As an Oob fan myself, it's not so much that we love the character as is...at least I'd assume not, considering he doesn't do much in the manga/DBZ, and GT makes a complete and utter waste of him...but it's his potential. I mean, just think about it. Here we have a human character that has every chance to become just as powerful a fighter, if not more so, than any of the Saiyans. If there was a story that finally started to make good use of him, it would finally break this horrid chain of "ONLY THE SAIYANS MATTER" that DBZ has fallen into for years. It's that potential, that notion, that idea, that I really like and get behind.

And as far as 'he clearly wasn't awesome', that was kind of the point. He's young, inexperienced, doesn't know what he's capable of...he's the second coming of young Gohan in a way, only thankfully far less whiny.

[White Oni]

Wouldn't this movie's existence just make Ubb stronger?

Base Goku(God powers absorbed) was capable of fighting with Beers.

Ubb's feats against base goku, as an untrained child, make him a monster.

[Retan]

What exactly did Oob due that was so impressive when fighting Goku other then Goku hurting his hand a little and being surprised by Oobs strength, it's not like Goku had powered up any even in his base form. It's been awhile since I watched this scene though.

Besides Toriyama wouldn't have known about Beerus when he was drawing this nor would Toei, even in the new rendition with Vegeta getting the last word.

[Careless Saiyajin]

Okay, honestly, not a fan of the Whis > Bills thing Toriyama decided to go with here. The entire movie is sent hyping up Bills as being the strongest being in the universe where Whis unquestionably plays the subservient role, yet, in a throwaway line at the end that adds absolutely nothing to the plot, Whis is the stronger one?

C'mon Toriyama, that's just not good.

It will probably have some use in future stories.

Yes i like the benefit of what this could hold in the future, the whole 'you aint seen nothin yet' excitement that comes with new and evolving Dragon Ball stories through new movies, series or manga. I'm pumped for new future content. Battle of Gods really brought a different movie to the table here.
And as for Uub, i wonder what position he may hold in whatever new movie or content follows Battle of Gods.

[Retan]

Okay, honestly, not a fan of the Whis > Bills thing Toriyama decided to go with here. The entire movie is sent hyping up Bills as being the strongest being in the universe where Whis unquestionably plays the subservient role, yet, in a throwaway line at the end that adds absolutely nothing to the plot, Whis is the stronger one?

C'mon Toriyama, that's just not good.

It will probably have some use in future stories.

Yes i like the benefit of what this could hold in the future, the whole 'you aint seen nothin yet' excitement that comes with new and evolving Dragon Ball stories through new movies, series or manga. I'm pumped for new future content. Battle of Gods really brought a different movie to the table here.
And as for Uub, i wonder what position he may hold in whatever new movie or content follows Battle of Gods.

I like the 'benefit' too, though I don't think a new manga series will happen; I'd give a new movie 90% chance of happening, and 50% chance of a new series happening, 65% if the next movie does well enough with Toriyama more behind the scenes then in GT.

[Careless Saiyajin]

I like the 'benefit' too, though I don't think a new manga series will happen; I'd give a new movie 90% chance of happening, and 50% chance of a new series happening, 65% if the next movie does well enough with Toriyama more behind the scenes then in GT.

I don't expect a new manga however i look forward eagerly towards the next movie and possibility of a series of episodes or more movies beyond this. I love this franchise and i loved Battle of Gods. I am ready to enjoy whatever lies ahead.

[G1Ravage]

Does Freeza have any lines in the movie from the flashback clips?

[Retan]

Nope doesn't make a sound. Just seen getting hit by Goku in mute.

[Herms]

Okay, honestly, not a fan of the Whis > Bills thing Toriyama decided to go with here. The entire movie is sent hyping up Bills as being the strongest being in the universe where Whis unquestionably plays the subservient role, yet, in a throwaway line at the end that adds absolutely nothing to the plot, Whis is the stronger one?

C'mon Toriyama, that's just not good.

It's obviously supposed to be a humorous twist that confounds expectations. Hyping up Whis and then having Whis be stronger wouldn't be funny. Hyping up Beerus and having Whis be stronger is. Or at least, that's the idea.