Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Kakarot88]

I just find it hard to understand how anyone, with knowledge of the original, can legitimately call those initial English dubs any good. Yeah, I understand liking the cast and enjoying Kai but nope, can't understand the love for the original.

For me I ripped the speeches into my iPod back in the day and would listen to them as I lifted lol, still do and so that's probably why I am attached.

Re: TheGmGoken

You and I have discussed many times on this forum, so knowing what you know about me and my opinions I am not sure how else to explain it to you.

Here's a more condensed less detailed explanation of what I have been saying:

• If you do not want to see the movie that's fine. However, if as a Dragon Ball Z fan, your reasoning for not taking advantage of a historical opportunity to see a Dragon Ball movie on the silver screen is that you "just cannot handle the funimation dub because you are just oh such a die hard fan of the Japanese version" then that is just juvenile, because you are essentially missing out on a once in a lifetime opportunity and could sync the audio like Mike did for movie 12. Further, more likely than not if you have voiced said opinion, the soap box you stand on is likely nothing more than an ass backwards way to once again steer the conversation into funimation bashing because maybe Mike and Julian will think I'm cool!

If you're on this website chances are you will at some point have mentioned (likely more than once in one day) how you do not like the American dub. Yay... just move on already...all these posts from users taking every chance they get to bash the American dub is tired and boring and I think squashes other fans from wanting to contribute.

I know some of my friends from the gym who are Dragon Ball Z fans who I'd want to contribute choose not too because of all the negativity, but hey we're driving the 30 miles to go see it on the Tuesday it comes out

[Ajay]

To address some of your major points too though - I do agree that avoiding being at a premiere for the first Dragon Ball film in so long simply because you don't care much for the dub cast anymore is pretty ridiculous to me. It's a shame there's no Japanese options but we're a small minority compared to dub fans so I do understand it from a business perspective. Either way, it's a fucking awesome experience and as someone in the UK, I'm very jealous that you guys even have the opportunity. With that said, if you have zero affection for the dub then I can see why wouldn't want to spend money to go and watch a very alien version of something you love. I'd equate it to one of us not wanting to go see a French dub, for example. Why would we? There's zero attachment there.

Regarding your thoughts about users on this forum. Yes, it's very easy to post cynical little jabs at the dub when prefacing certain points but I don't think many users actually take many issues with dub fans so long as they're knowledgeable. If you're going around talking about FUNi's initial interpretation of Goku's character like it's fact then, sure, it's going to ruffle feathers. Understandably, we're all all huge fans of the series and many of us have a very large respect for the original. As such, when someone proclaims that FUNi's undeniably inaccurate version of the show is somehow better than the original or, as I said, use it a basis for argument, it's going to provoke a lot of negative responses. I don't think there's much wrong with that.

If someone is going to come onto a Japanese focused site and proclaim things along those lines, they need to be prepared to back up their points with solid reasoning. It makes for a fun debate and I wouldn't have it any other way.

More likely than not if you have voiced said opinion, the soap box you stand on is likely nothing more than an ass backwards way to once again steer the conversation into funimation bashing because maybe Mike and Julian will think I'm cool!

I think that's unnecessarily offensive. Like I said, not everyone has the desire to watch something they have zero interest in or attachment to. Vocally disapproving of FUNi's business practices doesn't mean you're pandering to Kanzenshuu staff. Why do assume anyone gives two shits what they think? Consider that their attitudes aren't unique and that like-minded fans flocked here rather than being converted.

Hell, Julian even thinks turning Funimation’s dub into a Rocky Horror picture show opportunity is a good idea, American dub fans be damned. I could not think of anything more disrespectful to those who are looking forward to seeing their version of the show.

To end things on a more agreeable note; I entirely agree with this. I would be totally disgusted if anyone dared to act that disrespectfully during a film, especially during a limited run! I wasn't really sure if he was joking or not so I let it be. I don't really understand the Rocky Horror experience personally...but then I'm the type of person who will tell you to shut the fuck up if you're rustling your popcorn too loud behind me.

[TheGmGoken]

Syncing up the movie is WAY to much work. All of the trouble of ripping(Unlike Mike, most will just download the movie from Youtube illegally) and trying to sync the audio(You're shit out of luck if you keep missing up the sync) of getting the audio for the movie. Most here already saw it. What difference that it makes if you're at the movies or watching it on a HDTV at home? It's cheaper. You're watching it at your comfort and heat(Movies in Maryland tend to be ultra cold). It's also in the langauge that you prefer. That's less work and more tolerance. I still don't understand what you mean by "Bashing" dubs everyday or "acting" like you hate a dub to get on a website's owners good side. It doesn't squasher anything. Are you really saying people here pretend to be fans of a different dub so the mods think they're cool?

You and I have discussed many times on this forum, so knowing what you know about me and my opinions I am not sure how else to explain it to you.

We have? I only thought we talked about music

[Kakarot88]

. Are you really saying people here pretend to be fans of a different dub so the mods think they're cool?

I mean some people try to post 18+ posts a day to get there % contribution points up, so seems pretty likely to me.

[Kakarot88]

Ok, I'm getting us all back on topic

I'm going on a Tuesday in Georgia, anyone else going on that Tuesday from Georgia ?

[TheGmGoken]

. Are you really saying people here pretend to be fans of a different dub so the mods think they're cool?

I mean some people try to post 18+ posts a day to get there % contribution points up, so seems pretty likely to me.

Hey I used to average a 25.8 post per day . I ain't trying to impress .

Back on topic:
How much money would Funimation make to put this movie in every movie place instead of selective areas.

[Kakarot88]

Back on topic:
How much money would Funimation make to put this movie in every movie place instead of selective areas.

25+ that's friggen absurd lol

I think its based on need, see to get a movie in a theater my understanding is that you rent the space and time; and then hopefully the ticket sales as a percentage will go to pay off that rental; so it's a cost benefit analysis of which theaters will yield you the biggest return.

[Herms]

If you're on this website chances are you will at some point have mentioned (likely more than once in one day) how you do not like the American dub. Yay... just move on already...all these posts from users taking every chance they get to bash the American dub is tired and boring and I think squashes other fans from wanting to contribute.

To be honest, these days when I look around the forums I mostly see people who are fond of the Funi dub to at least some degree, and many who are primarily fans of it. I'm really not seeing an overwhelming number of forum-goers repeatedly expressing dislike for the Funi dub, especially since penguintruth got the boot. Maybe if you're only into the Funi dub and used to only being around other Funi dub fans, then it can be shocking to come here and see a non-zero amount of negativity directed at the Funi dub. But the idea that most people here are always carping on about how much they hate the Funi dub is pretty silly.

[WittyUsername]

Wait, penguintruth got banned? When did that happen, if it's okay to ask?

[KentalSSJ6]

I used to be one of those who could not stand the Japanese dub at all. Though, Battle of Gods has caused me to warm up to it, even going so far as to do a movie marathon in the Japanese dub and I thoroughly enjoyed it. That being said, the original Funimation dub is pretty damn terrible, to the point of being unwatchable to me now (ironic). When it comes to English, I can only watch Kai and some of the later movies.

[Ajay]

Wait, penguintruth got banned? When did that happen, if it's okay to ask?

A little over a month ago, I think. He'd had enough of some asinine argument about Gohan supposedly acting out of character in the Cell arc and called the dude making absurd points a 'cretin' and was banned due to previous warnings about behavior.

The guy he was arguing with makes a point to mock PenguinTruth on his blog now about getting banned. Very fucking silly.

[B]

Wait, penguintruth got banned? When did that happen, if it's okay to ask?

What, do you think if he was still here, he'd see that Colleen Clinkenbeard as Gohan thread in the Kai section, and decide he had nothing to say?

He insulted a bunch of people, is the long and short of it.

And, I am in total agreement with Herms. If anything, people "take every chance they get" to defend the dub.

[Valerius Dover]

Well, I do sort of understand the hatred of dubs in general to a certain degree. Just like my signature says, a dub can never be more than an adaptation of the original, no matter how good it is. You're still replacing one of the three major components of the film. I do notice snarky comments about the dub, but I just let these fly by. I don't really try to defend it, since everyone's open to their opinion.

[Looneygamemaster]

If you'll forgive my bluntness--those who want to experience the "original version" of a Japanese cartoon should learn Japanese and watch it without subtitles.

Because with subtitles, you're not getting the original version. You're getting someone's translation of the original version. And if that's the case, I feel you may as well go all the way and watch the English dub, so as to fully immerse yourself (unless the dub's bad, but no one can possibly know that about this movie yet).

Those who don't want to, well, that's their right of course. But can we please stop this "original version" nonsense?

[TheGmGoken]

If you'll forgive my bluntness--those who want to experience the "original version" of a Japanese cartoon should learn Japanese and watch it without subtitles.

Because with subtitles, you're not getting the original version. You're getting someone's translation of the original version. And if that's the case, I feel you may as well go all the way and watch the English dub, so as to fully immerse yourself (unless the dub's bad, but no one can possibly know that about this movie yet).

Those who don't want to, well, that's their right of course. But can we please stop this "original version" nonsense?

And if English isn't your language? How about if your country airs it with subtitles in the first place? Also you can easily turn the subtitles off as DBZ's plot isn't that complicated. I say original audio because it's indeed the original cast. You can turn on subtitles for the English version too. Does it not make that the English version?

[Ajay]

If you'll forgive my bluntness--those who want to experience the "original version" of a Japanese cartoon should learn Japanese and watch it without subtitles.

Because with subtitles, you're not getting the original version. You're getting someone's translation of the original version. And if that's the case, I feel you may as well go all the way and watch the English dub, so as to fully immerse yourself (unless the dub's bad, but no one can possibly know that about this movie yet).

Those who don't want to, well, that's their right of course. But can we please stop this "original version" nonsense?

Why? It's not 'nonsense' whatsoever.

You can still hear the tone and unique inflections of each voice regardless of language. A well translated script is hardly comparable to a dub script that is constricted by mouth flaps and timings as well as altering components to match western culture.

A good translation very easily translates the performance over. It's not like if I learnt Japanese to a degree that I could entirely understand the show that I wouldn't still be partially translating on the fly. I speak a good degree of French and still do the same with French films. Having subtitles simply eliminates a mental step. If you're versed in at least some Japanese, which you probably are if you watch a lot of anime, you get the fundamental basics of the character or lines. From the honourifics used to the sentence structures, it's fairly easy to work out a character.

Take Goku's scene in Battle of Gods where he's attempting to be polite to Beerus. He adds and heavily enunciates the -desu on the end of his sentences as well as speaking in an incredibly formal manner - 'watashi wa Son Goku DESU!'. The subtitles very easily get that across by using incredibly formal English, 'My name is Son Goku, SIR!'. It's not perfect but it does the job absolutely fine and it's something you can easily place against what you're hearing.

The notion that you might as well watch the dub is ridiculous. It's not our fault if you lack the ability to immerse yourself in a show without a dub.

[Looneygamemaster]

The notion that you might as well watch the dub is ridiculous. It's not our fault if you lack the ability to immerse yourself in a show without a dub.

My apologies--I didn't mean to suggest that subtitled anime is worthless. I watch a lot of it myself. I simply wanted to state my belief that it's no more the "original version" than a foreign dub is. Because no matter how good subtitles are, you're still adding something that wasn't originally there. Thus, the notion that one method is inherently better than the other is misguided. They're both different, yet equally valid adaptations of the original version.

That's all I was trying to say, sorry if I didn't convey it well.

[Kakarot88]

If you're on this website chances are you will at some point have mentioned (likely more than once in one day) how you do not like the American dub. Yay... just move on already...all these posts from users taking every chance they get to bash the American dub is tired and boring and I think squashes other fans from wanting to contribute.

To be honest, these days when I look around the forums I mostly see people who are fond of the Funi dub to at least some degree, and many who are primarily fans of it. I'm really not seeing an overwhelming number of forum-goers repeatedly expressing dislike for the Funi dub, especially since penguintruth got the boot. Maybe if you're only into the Funi dub and used to only being around other Funi dub fans, then it can be shocking to come here and see a non-zero amount of negativity directed at the Funi dub. But the idea that most people here are always carping on about how much they hate the Funi dub is pretty silly.

Truth be known I've been pretty MIA for the past few months (till today) and have really just been listening to old podcasts so that may be coloring my outlook.
I'm also pretty deep into studying for the bar at this point and know it has made my mind intense just looking for arguments. (well I was till I procrastinated for half the day lol)

So if you, who knows more about what's been going on in the forums than I do, tell me I'm probably reading more into things than I ought to... ...well then I guess I am.

haha my b!

[ShadowDude112]

There's a lot of dub v sub discussion going on right now. To chime in. I'm a much bigger fan of the Japanese cast than the US cast. But I do like the US cast if they have a good script and directing. Like Kai, for example. I love watching the dub because it's so accurate. If you asked me to watch Z dubbed, you wouldn't even get me in the same room because it's so cringe worthy. But judging from the trailer and hearing Beerus' lines, I can tell the script will be accurate. Not 1:1, of course, but very faithful. Which is what's getting me to see it. If I thought for a second, it would have a shitty dub, I would not go see it.

[Gyt Kaliba]

To chime in a little bit on the dub/sub thing myself - what we have now is nowhere near as bad as it used to be. From when I first got into DBZ, and up until...geez, I can't even remember when I first 'left' this forum. At any rate, you might notice that my join date is quite a good while ago despite my minimal (considering the join date anyway) post count for a regular poster. That's because there actually was a time where it was about impossible to be a dub fan and still come here. You would actually get browbeat out, if not publicly than by PM (which did in fact happen to me once upon a time). I say all this not to shame the past of the forum though - I just want to make a point that it's actually pretty easy-going here to be a dub fan, so long as you're at least willing to accept that it's not everyone's cup of tea. Every now and then there's gonna be some conflicts between factions of course, but that just goes with the territory. There's a lot of bickering amongst fans of the original Japanese version too, but in the end the dust usually settles and we all go back to being pals in other threads.

Now, that said though, I do find myself getting a little irked when I see certain hyper-critical posts made in regards to FUNimation, but nowadays it's not so much more when it's said about the dub, but more so when it's said about the company itself. Even if I can't defend every choice they make (and boy can I not), every now and then there'll be a comment that I see as way over the line, as if the person has forgotten that there are indeed real people behind the company face. In those situations you can either choose to address it, or just bite your lip and move on. About 3 times out of 10, I'll go ahead and jump in, but usually I try to just bear it and move on rather than risk being banned.

Moving back on topic from this, I do find it a little odd myself that someone couldn't stomach the dub - since it's surely going to be at about Kai level or better - long enough to go check out the movie on the big screen, especially if the person in question hasn't yet seen the movie at all, but hey, that's their choice. Most of my lack of understanding on that is jealousy anyway, because I really don't think I'll be able to make it to the one that's near-ish me at all. So BAH to all of you who have a theater like right next to your house and still won't go. BAH HUMBUG I say!