MagicBox wrote:It's a good thing that Toriyama is so heavily involved, people. We need his perspective and quirkiness. He just needs somebody like Torishima to tell him "no" every once in a while. "Hey, that's stupid." "Hey, that'll create a plothole." I do get a little hesitant whenever I hear he's in charge of something, but mostly because I worry that nobody over there ever challenges him when he just barfs out a half-baked idea.
If this movie really does take place after Beerus wakes up from his nap, then I do hope that Goten, Trunks, and Marron look older. I honestly don't think Toei wants to go through with that unless they absolutely have to, though. They really seem to want to keep the "main" characters in their most-marketable appearances (which is why none of the Saiyans looked any different in "Battle Of Gods" or the Jump special). If they have to keep Goku in the iconic orange and blue, then I guess I understand. I'm also fine with Vegeta staying in his armor, since it's been established that he prefers it as "formal wear." But there's no reason why Gohan, Goten, and Trunks can't get some different fighting clothes.
Its pretty clear that DBZ's impression on people has greatly diverged from his own intensions, I mean DBZ to us is all about flash, power and heavy intense action - but he says so himself that it isnt really his own perception of it or ever his focus until he gets encouraged on hyping it up. Its a little said that because of this BOG took the direction it did as its heavy comedy setting is what held it back for a lot of people expecting a Freeza vs SSJGoku esc fight. I hope he doesnt fail to deliver that as fans have hoped to expect this time.
As for the character appearance, I honestly hope they stay more consistant now. We need to see Goten, Trunks, younger Bra and Baby Pan portrayed correctly. I think it irksed me the most seeing Dende, Goten, Trunks the wrong age. Its a plot hole that doesnt have to even exist. I think we should at least get to see the transition into the later 5 year gap before Uub shows up.
Story wise, I hope we have some more depth added onto this new mythology. No more having it seem as if things always existed even if they just appear out of no where. Though I know AT isnt going to try and connect everything. He just wants a short story out to represent itself rather than
close old ones or expand things. At least nothing outside Freeza.
Cold Skin wrote:
Most likely, yes: you just confirmed it takes place after Battle of Gods, and Toriyama confirmed in an interview that there was nothing to do with the epilogue cast cause they're all too old to be of any interest. So it's after Battle of Gods and before the "10 years later" epilogue, with a plot that reaches a new peak of quality like hardly ever before.
A 10 years gap with the number of active characters and family/friends relationships at the max , that's kind of a dream space to fill it with any plot you want.
But then, is Videl pregnant or Pan born? Will Bulma be pregnant? Did Goten and Trunks grow up a bit?
Will the epilogue be retconned with Kai's final episode placing scenes of the new movie as the new epilogue to new adventures? (very unlikely if you ask me)
It seems Toriyama is trying to do the 10-progression arc in real time.
Cold Skin wrote: Toriyama likely wants to get rid of Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 that he found overly complicated and extravagant when looking back, finding a device to say Goku would likely not use them anymore, and not even showing those forms for Vegeta and Gotenks in Battle of Gods. If it is set after Battle of Gods, then he has his excuse to toss those forms aside for good. Same if it is set before the Boo arc. But if it's during or after the Boo arc but before BOG, he'll have to be clever to avoid those forms. Since he doesn't draw them himself, I think it's more of a matter of those forms being complicated plotwise and having to keep it in mind who can do what and for how long.
But wouldnt a SSJ Gotenks be weak? If not completely useless? I thought SSJ3 was the only real redeeming quality of Gotenks's use to the fights? I guess hes going to be comic relief then like every other character not Goku.
The thing is, for Goku it makes sense why he wouldn't need them anymore as hes considerably complainted about the strain but then how will his SSJ form be any more unique in the trade off, its going to be hard to rank it post BOG if its exactly the same as it was against Cell. Most people will still caculate Goku's max hypathetically with SSJ2/3 in mind. What about his SSJ form could Toriyama be considering to change then if it will be his new cap?
