Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

[ss4songoku]

because they're idiots. What's so special about Sailor Moon never could get the appeal then again I am a guy lol. Chicks are cute in it at least haha. DB really needs to be reanimated to follow the manga, that's what kai should have been not that kai isn't great but i'd love to see everything al shiny and new. Sometimes DBZ is animated beautifully other times it looks downright awful, the inconsistency in the animation really bugs me. I know for sure it will happen one day but not anytime soon maybe 10 to 15 years.

Sailor Moon is VERY popular and guys love it. Toei are not idiots are DB brings in cheap money. Sailor Moon being inactive for quite awhile. SO a reboot is reasonable. Honestly most of DB's recent animation been average at best. Nothing compared to the original art-style. This is coming from someone who's not an animation or art-style greak.

Calling Toei idiots was way too harsh I admit. There wouldn't be a dbz anime without Toei afterall. I guess I like the idea of a freshly animated DBZ so much I went overboard. Maybe I should give Sailor Moon a chance.

[Kid Buu]

Seeing people use this thread to talk about the current Sailor Moon series got me wondering: why doesn't this site have an non-Dragon-Ball-related section for talking about other anime/comics/movies/ect?

Admins dont like non-DB discussions I think.

This thread is comparing Toei's handling of Kai vs Crystal, so I guess that is why it gets away with it.

[VegettoEX]

I know the conversation has started steering almost exclusively toward talking about Crystal in a vacuum, but as has been noted, it really can't. Conversation must be related to Dragon Ball in some way, as the topic was originally intended. Thanks!

[Kid Buu]

So would you guys have liked it if DBZ Kai recasted everyone except for Nozawa, like Crystal did?

[coola]

It`s hard to tell, because i didn`t really liked replacement actors (Especially Nappa, he sounded like dumb tough guy from 80s cartoons, and almost every Ginyu Force sounded like Recoome from Funimation dub, really annoying) But, if they hired better actors, then yes, i wouldn`t mind replacement, most old seiyuu sounded really forced.

[TheGmGoken]

So would you guys have liked it if DBZ Kai recasted everyone except for Nozawa, like Crystal did?

Nozawa for The Son family or Nozawa just for Goku?

[TTC817]

They aren't reanimating Sailor Moon. They're doing a new series that closer to the original manga.

Sailor Moon is unlike Dragon Ball in that Sailor Moon's manga is totally different from the anime (character introductions, deaths of characters, events that happen, etc.) This is NOT simply a reanimation of the old show, it is a totally new animation that is closer to the manga, and the creator's manga art style (anyone who has read the manga of Sailor Moon will tell you the art style is totally different between the two formats).

Dragon Ball is different in that it is a straight adaptation of Toriyama's manga, with filler added in. So basically they just need to take out the filler segments to make it closer to the manga, not reanimate it outright.

[Kid Buu]

So would you guys have liked it if DBZ Kai recasted everyone except for Nozawa, like Crystal did?

Nozawa for The Son family or Nozawa just for Goku?

Nozawa for the Son family.

[sailorspazz]

Dragon Ball with no Ryou Horikawa? Oh no, I just don't think I could accept that! I was quite upset that most of the Sailor Moon cast was replaced, and though the new voices sound pretty good based on the first episode, I know I'll probably end up listening to scenes and thinking "ah, what would this have sounded like with Tohru Furuya instead?" So even if Nozawa was still in the cast, I would just miss the other voices too much to fully embrace the show (I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up preferring the old Sailor Moon anime over the new one due to nostalgia, plus the fact that I was always more of a fan of the anime than the manga anyway).

Kinda weird that Japan's going with all these recastings lately...Kai seems to be the exception for not doing it. There's a new Initial D movie coming out that has a new cast, despite the fact that the final episodes of the show aired less than a month ago. Maybe they found the old cast too 90s throwback (I mean, 3 of the Weiss crew were major characters). But it still seems like a slap in the face to the seiyuu who very recently played those characters. Though Mamoru Miyano is in the new cast, so the fangirl in me can't complain too much...

[Basaku]

Dragon Ball is different in that it is a straight adaptation of Toriyama's manga, with filler added in. So basically they just need to take out the filler segments to make it closer to the manga, not reanimate it outright.

Enter: Kai. I get why so many fans would want a new version of the anime with HQ modern animation, but as an adaptation of the manga, Kai is almost perfect lol. So the only real difference would be animation quality, I don't think that's enough reason to redo exactly the same thing. Sailor Moon situation like you said is very different.

[Flame Dragon]

Dragon Ball is different in that it is a straight adaptation of Toriyama's manga, with filler added in. So basically they just need to take out the filler segments to make it closer to the manga, not reanimate it outright.

Enter: Kai. I get why so many fans would want a new version of the anime with HQ modern animation, but as an adaptation of the manga, Kai is almost perfect lol. So the only real difference would be animation quality, I don't think that's enough reason to redo exactly the same thing. Sailor Moon situation like you said is very different.

Which would probably be worse.


Have you seen how crappily Battle of Gods and Episode of Bardock are drawn? And these are movies/OAVs.
I can't imagine how bad a reanimated long-series would look, with the strict budget Toei uses.

[Vegard Aune]

Which would probably be worse.


Have you seen how crappily Battle of Gods and Episode of Bardock are drawn? And these are movies/OAVs.

...That's an in-between frame. It's on-screen for 1/24 of a second, and it's from the best animated scene in the movie. Seriously, take a look at that scene there again how it actually looks in motion and tell me it looks "crappy". There might be a lot of really bad animation in Battle of Gods, but the scene that screenshot is from is not one of them.

[Flame Dragon]

Which would probably be worse.


Have you seen how crappily Battle of Gods and Episode of Bardock are drawn? And these are movies/OAVs.

...That's an in-between frame. It's on-screen for 1/24 of a second, and it's from the best animated scene in the movie. Seriously, take a look at that scene there again how it actually looks in motion and tell me it looks "crappy". There might be a lot of really bad animation in Battle of Gods, but the scene that screenshot is from is not one of them.

Yeah, i know. But that frame probably sums up the entire quality of the drawings of Toei as of late.

[dbboxkaifan]

Which would probably be worse.


Have you seen how crappily Battle of Gods and Episode of Bardock are drawn? And these are movies/OAVs.
I can't imagine how bad a reanimated long-series would look, with the strict budget Toei uses.

If you want to pick a badly drawn scene, you could try Gohan from the OVA 2008.

The only thing of Sailor Moon that I want are the new upcoming Viz DVDs and that's it. I'm skipping the Sailor Moon Crystal because the animation just doesn't do it for me.

Spoiler:

Her legs are too long and reminds me of fanart around the internet.

I'd be disappointed if Dragon Ball got turned into this but then again I wouldn't watch it and I'm yet to give Battle of Gods a watch (when FUNimation releases it on Blu-ray).

[JulieYBM]

You've confused an off-model in-between for bad animation. Off-model is a thing very much different from 'bad animation'.

[dbboxkaifan]

You've confused an off-model in-between for bad animation. Off-model is a thing very much different from 'bad animation'.

Thanks for this, although Gohan in comparison would still look worse than that Goku shot.

[TheGmGoken]

You've confused an off-model in-between for bad animation. Off-model is a thing very much different from 'bad animation'.

Thanks for this, although Gohan in comparison would still look worse than that Goku shot.

Can you post that? Don't know what you're talking about

[Kid Buu]

Mamoru sounds like Yamcha, but Tuxedo Kamen doesn't.

Episode #2 the editing got better but the ending parts felt rushed.

There were some inconsistencies in the animation where the faces went off-model, too.

[FortuneSSJ]

We already got the answer for this quesion. Because they want to use their money in new material for DBZ

[Chuquita]

SMC 2 was more enjoyable for me than episode 1. Ami's voice doesn't sound as much like Cure Peace as I'd feared, but still not as elegant as her old voice actress portrayed. It's not bad. I feel like Umino is shorter this time. The floppy was actually a disc in the manga, so it's both adhering to the source and updating tech. So strange seeing Usagi with a laptop, but the way she used it was very in-character. Still missing Tuxedo Yamcha. Mercury's transformation is a little better than Usagi's, but I've still seen way better cgi transformations on Precure. I guess they made Ami the only one in the classroom so to save time animating the rest of the class? The class was full in the manga and first series. Also we actually got some SD Usagi when she was hiding from the guards. I so miss the SD and expressions, sorely.

Watching this though, I am happy that most new animation efforts on DB are going to new sequences rather than treading old ground. If BOG 2 has to have cgi in there somewhere I hope they get the guys who are working on HaCha instead of SMC.