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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Gonstead » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:02 am

This whole notion of a wish gone wrong and resulting in an ultimate despair reminds me of a certain franchise...
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by shinmaru » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:55 am

When Toriyama makes up a story it's almost impossible to predict .

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:52 am

Goku or a villain wishes to connect the 7th Universe with the other 11 Universes, or something similar to that.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Fizzer » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:53 am

While I'd really like to see Toriyama's version of the Shadow Dragons, and I love that story and would like it to join Toriyama's manga continuity, I don't think they'd reboot something that's already been done. That would result in a lot of complaints.

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by TheGreatness25 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:55 am

I have a feeling that it's going to be something really bad. Not like, "This is the worst thing that's ever happened in history," but it could be the "worst wish ever." Like...turning Goku into a kid for example. I'm not saying that's going to be it lol But I do think it will be more silly and dumb than destructive. I also see it involving Pilaf, Shu and Mai.

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:33 am

Teasing the fanbase with that tagline, seems like it wont be a funny one.
I vote for connecting all universes.
Low Tone G wrote: 2. Pilaf and his gang tries to make a wish to become adults again, but they notice Goku's or somebody else's approaching, and angrily say something, like: I wish we were in an other universe where this Goku guy doesn't exist.(Allmost the same issue like in the first episode of GT)And Shenlon: Your wish has been granted.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Sin » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:43 am

Well what are the established rules for the Dragon Balls? I thought they couldn't grant a wish beyond their creator's own power, and couldn't surpress a power stronger than that of their creator's.

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Mewzard » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:55 am

Sin wrote:Well what are the established rules for the Dragon Balls? I thought they couldn't grant a wish beyond their creator's own power, and couldn't surpress a power stronger than that of their creator's.
Can't surpass their creator's own power...can bring back the dead despite that being beyond their creator.

Never did get that. Also, Shenron apparently lacks an imagination when it comes to death wishes, given he couldn't figure to just cut off the air in the Saiyan Spacepods, move them into a Sun, cause the pods to explode, transport horrid disease into the pods, cause heart attacks, etc.

The limits of the Dragon Balls are odd at times.

To me, the worst wish in history would basically make one of the Gods of Destruction an alternate universe Broli... >_>
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Retan » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:11 pm

Toriyama would've better off if he'd said can't kill anyone with a wish, instead of can't surpass their creators power, it would make a lot more sense IMHO.

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Chuquita » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:29 pm

Re: that other franchise
I would watch Puella Magi Gokû Magica in a heartbeat. X3


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What if it isn't a wish for power, but a wish to seal or remove the power of those who could be stronger than the villain? Or would that be too much like the destron gas in the Playdia OVA?
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Marco Polo » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:32 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:Teasing the fanbase with that tagline, seems like it wont be a funny one.
I vote for connecting all universes.
Quite the contrary. Shonen chapter titles and taglines are notorious for exagerrating things and being overly dramatic. I'm pretty sure it will not be THAT depressing. Reactions within the film's universe will probably be more along the line of "Oops I fucked up ^^" rather than "Woe is me I doomed the universe :( :( ".

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Sin » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:34 pm

Chuquita wrote:Re: that other franchise
I would watch Puella Magi Gokû Magica in a heartbeat. X3


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What if it isn't a wish for power, but a wish to seal or remove the power of those who could be stronger than the villain? Or would that be too much like the destron gas in the Playdia OVA?
But if a wish like that could be made, don't you think it'd raise the question as to why the hell the Z fighters never did that the numerous times they have fought stronger beings?

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:40 pm

Marco Polo wrote: Quite the contrary. Shonen chapter titles and taglines are notorious for exagerrating things and being overly dramatic. I'm pretty sure it will not be THAT depressing. Reactions within the film's universe will probably be more along the line of "Oops I fucked up ^^" rather than "Woe is me I doomed the universe :( :( ".
Yeah, thats for sure. But I'm already glad that will be more serious than BOG.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Chuquita » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:47 pm

Sin wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Re: that other franchise
I would watch Puella Magi Gokû Magica in a heartbeat. X3


OT:
What if it isn't a wish for power, but a wish to seal or remove the power of those who could be stronger than the villain? Or would that be too much like the destron gas in the Playdia OVA?
But if a wish like that could be made, don't you think it'd raise the question as to why the hell the Z fighters never did that the numerous times they have fought stronger beings?
It's the too much like deston gas part that bothers me, but if I have to in-universe the first part, something like:
-the main cast didn't know you could wish stuff like that
-sealing works better than removing in terms of plausibility
-it wouldn't be a"fair fight" if the main characters made the wish
-they could've hunted down and killed Gero after learning about his plans, but didn't so they'd get to fight the cyborgs/andoids

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:58 pm

Pilaf finds the Dragon Balls again and when Goku arrives to stop him he wishes for Goku to disappear. Pilaf then wishes he was the strongest person on Earth and is transformed into a super warrior. Vegeta, however, was visiting his brother Tarble at the time and wasn't affected by the wish.

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:09 pm

Pillaf, a fearful villain?! How funny would be that :P
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Fizzer » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:16 pm

Retan wrote:Toriyama would've better off if he'd said can't kill anyone with a wish, instead of can't surpass their creators power, it would make a lot more sense IMHO.
Or that the God of Earth doesn't have any power over beings not of the Earth (eg Saiyans).

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Pikachuuu » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:41 pm

Gonstead wrote:This whole notion of a wish gone wrong and resulting in an ultimate despair reminds me of a certain franchise...
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:35 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:Pillaf, a fearful villain?! How funny would be that :P
If he transformed like Garlic Jr, but kept the same voice and personality, it would be pretty funny.

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Gonstead » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:58 pm

Chuquita wrote:Re: that other franchise
I would watch Puella Magi Gokû Magica in a heartbeat. X3


OT:
What if it isn't a wish for power, but a wish to seal or remove the power of those who could be stronger than the villain? Or would that be too much like the destron gas in the Playdia OVA?
Vegeta pulls a Sayaka.
Vegeta: I was stupid... so stupid.


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As people said, I don't think that would be possible. It would be counted in the same vain as trying to make Android 18 completely human, at least to me.
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