Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
User avatar
SingleFringe&Sparks
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1642
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:55 pm
Location: Mt. Paozu/East District

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:12 pm

sintzu wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Even if we have a bad director on the project, I hope the movie will have a good story to back it up. Akira Toriyama having a bigger role on working the movie, gives me hope. I think he would make sure the movie won't be shit. Besides, I doubt the movie can be worst then DBZ Movie Movie 4, 6, Movie 10 and 11.
Nothing can be worse then movie 11
Thats something I don't know how to predict, most of the cool stories had come from Toei and his editors as far as I know, Toriyama's field in writing for dragonball is comedy which is sadly the most least important aspect in this point in DBZ. If hes writing the background story himself, we might not get the interesting depth in plot we usually see in the movies. If this movie is going to return to the heavy action focus then thats usually where his editors come through with the delivery. If I could advise Toriyama I would tell him to just focus on the prologues and characters, not the plot but just let him approve the direction. His alterations to Beerus, SSJGod and the mythos for example saved the movie. He usually always perfects the characters.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

User avatar
Retan
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1404
Joined: Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:21 am

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Retan » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:18 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
sintzu wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Even if we have a bad director on the project, I hope the movie will have a good story to back it up. Akira Toriyama having a bigger role on working the movie, gives me hope. I think he would make sure the movie won't be shit. Besides, I doubt the movie can be worst then DBZ Movie Movie 4, 6, Movie 10 and 11.
Nothing can be worse then movie 11
Thats something I don't know how to predict, most of the cool stories had come from Toei and his editors as far as I know, Toriyama's field in writing for dragonball is comedy which is sadly the most least important aspect in this point in DBZ. If hes writing the background story himself, we might not get the interesting depth in plot we usually see in the movies. If this movie is going to return to the heavy action focus then thats usually where his editors come through with the delivery. If I could advise Toriyama I would tell him to just focus on the prologues and characters, not the plot but just let him approve the direction. His alterations to Beerus, SSJGod and the mythos for example saved the movie. He usually always perfects the characters.

Umm what do you mean, Toriyama's field in Dragonball was not just the comedy, he did everything.

User avatar
Retan
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1404
Joined: Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:21 am

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Retan » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:23 pm

Hey for those of us not in the know, why should the new director worry us just because he wasn't a great animation supervisor ( which I don't necessarily agree with but...)?

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 18556
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:29 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Despite Yamamuro being the animation supervisor, he was able to assemble the talents to work on the Ultimate Blast opening. He got Tate, Shida, Oonishi, and other guys to animate it and it came out pretty stunningly beautiful. I wonder if Yamamuro being promoted to the director indicates that he's more willing to get more talents to take on the movie project...
The animation supervisor is not the only person to recruit talent. The director and producer does, too. The Opening was directed by Nagamine Tatsuya, who probably called in Ootsuka Ken, Satou Masayuki and Kurita Shin'ichi. Given that Nagamine chose to work on the Opening I figure there was a higher number of allotted drawings, so it's no surprise in-house guys like Kawamura Atsuko, Tate Naoki, Shida Naotoshi, Oonishi Ryou, and Satou Masayuki would have asked to jump in regardless of who the animation supervisor was.

It will be hard for any of the in-house talent to miss out on this film at least in a small capacity. It is not very clear what Yamamuro's contacts are with freelancers, though. Kan'no Toshiyuki and Studio Live worked on the Dragon Ball: Ultimate Blast, so we can say that Yamamuro probably called him in since Kan'no worked on a number of in-house Toei Animation episodes, too.

Should Yamamuro pass on the character designer role--as I type this I'm stick trying to process that he is now the director--I am hoping he asks Tate Naoki or Oonishi Ryou to take the baton. Tate Naoki at least has experience working with Tanaka Hironori and Mori Hisashi, given his work on One Piece Episode of Chopper, as well as Kuroyagani Kenji. Tate himself is a wild and lively animator, so at the least his own animation will pop. If we get Oonishi Ryou we will have a young, talented animator who has had tenures under talented animators and directors like Tate Naoki, but also has his own distinctive style.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Yamamuro handed the baton to one of peers. Shimanuki Masahiro is not a character designer for anything now that Toriko is over (he did the gourmet stuff). Ide Takeo is probably busy as the head of the Toei Animation Animators Union, but he hasn't shied away from Dragon Ball in recent years. Kan'no Toshiyuki was an animation supervisor as recent as Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, so perhaps he too is a possibility?
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖

User avatar
miguelnuva1
I Live Here
Posts: 2907
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:23 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by miguelnuva1 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:31 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Even if we have a bad director on the project, I hope the movie will have a good story to back it up. Akira Toriyama having a bigger role on working the movie, gives me hope. I think he would make sure the movie won't be shit. Besides, I doubt the movie can be worst then DBZ Movie Movie 4, 6, Movie 10 and 11.
I hope its as bad as movies 4,6 abd 10 since those were great.

User avatar
Kid Buu
I Live Here
Posts: 4213
Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:02 am
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:34 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Even if we have a bad director on the project, I hope the movie will have a good story to back it up. Akira Toriyama having a bigger role on working the movie, gives me hope. I think he would make sure the movie won't be shit. Besides, I doubt the movie can be worst then DBZ Movie Movie 4, 6, Movie 10 and 11.
I hope its as bad as movies 4,6 abd 10 since those were great.
I love Lord Slug. Great scenery and actual teamwork to take down a big bad, very enjoyable for me.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.

User avatar
Chuquita
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 15263
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:16 am
Location: Somewhere

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Chuquita » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:38 pm

I'm hungry for character design from someone other than Yamamuro. Makes me hopeful to think it might actually be.

Who did the art for Gokû and Beerus in the BOZ ad? Ssjg Gokû looked distinctly different in the face in that ad compared to BOG.
Last edited by Chuquita on Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:41 pm, edited 2 times in total.
On hiatus.

User avatar
sintzu
Banned
Posts: 13583
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by sintzu » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:39 pm

Retan wrote:Umm what do you mean, Toriyama's field in Dragonball was not just the comedy, he did everything.
True,but his editors did help in some area's like the cell arc,His original idea was to have 19/20 as the main villians but his editor said it was stupid,So he brought in 17/18 and he said the same thing,Then he brought in cell and he said he was ugly so toriyama transformed him and his editor still said he was ugly then he did it again and it fainally pleased his editor
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.

User avatar
Retan
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1404
Joined: Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:21 am

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Retan » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:35 pm

Android/Cell Saga was my least favorite part of the series.

User avatar
Hellspawn28
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 15697
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm
Location: Maryland, USA

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:50 pm

Lord Slug and Metal Coola were bad to me since they were poor rehash of stuff that we already seen. The only thing I liked about Movie 6 was Metal Coola's design, the animation and the fight scenes. Movie 10 and 11 to scream that they were running out of ideas when you bring back the same character twice in one year. Instead just rehashing old ideas, I prefer Dragon Ball when it does brand new and fresh ideas like BOG did.
She/Her
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/

User avatar
sintzu
Banned
Posts: 13583
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by sintzu » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:53 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Movie 10 and 11 to scream that they were running out of ideas.
Someone who worked on the movies said that's why they made them
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.

User avatar
SingleFringe&Sparks
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1642
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:55 pm
Location: Mt. Paozu/East District

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:54 pm

Retan wrote:Umm what do you mean, Toriyama's field in Dragonball was not just the comedy, he did everything.
Based on what he said, when he writes for DB he prepares to focus more predominently in comedy than in high-intense action. Its his section of the series he puts most of his creativity into. Hence why BOG was more if not too comedy oriented over fighting with an alledged God. Its his editors and Toei that look towards the encouraging the action.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

User avatar
Retan
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1404
Joined: Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:21 am

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Retan » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:00 pm

Toei is nothing without Toriyama's manga to look at. GT is enough proof of that, it's basically directionless.

User avatar
sintzu
Banned
Posts: 13583
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by sintzu » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:06 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote: BOG was more if not too comedy oriented over fighting .
There was more fighting in the script but they didn't have time to animate it
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.

User avatar
kidtrunksssj
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 112
Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:17 pm
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by kidtrunksssj » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:34 pm

Is This Movie A Continuation Of Battle Of Gods Because Thats What The Youtuber UnrealEntGaming Said.
“Too much FANTASY loses REALITY, too much HOPE may seem somehow EMPTY.”
Akira Toriyama

User avatar
DragonBalllKaiHD
I Live Here
Posts: 2734
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:37 pm
Location: Texas
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:36 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Despite Yamamuro being the animation supervisor, he was able to assemble the talents to work on the Ultimate Blast opening. He got Tate, Shida, Oonishi, and other guys to animate it and it came out pretty stunningly beautiful. I wonder if Yamamuro being promoted to the director indicates that he's more willing to get more talents to take on the movie project...
The animation supervisor is not the only person to recruit talent. The director and producer does, too. The Opening was directed by Nagamine Tatsuya, who probably called in Ootsuka Ken, Satou Masayuki and Kurita Shin'ichi. Given that Nagamine chose to work on the Opening I figure there was a higher number of allotted drawings, so it's no surprise in-house guys like Kawamura Atsuko, Tate Naoki, Shida Naotoshi, Oonishi Ryou, and Satou Masayuki would have asked to jump in regardless of who the animation supervisor was.

It will be hard for any of the in-house talent to miss out on this film at least in a small capacity. It is not very clear what Yamamuro's contacts are with freelancers, though. Kan'no Toshiyuki and Studio Live worked on the Dragon Ball: Ultimate Blast, so we can say that Yamamuro probably called him in since Kan'no worked on a number of in-house Toei Animation episodes, too.

Should Yamamuro pass on the character designer role--as I type this I'm stick trying to process that he is now the director--I am hoping he asks Tate Naoki or Oonishi Ryou to take the baton. Tate Naoki at least has experience working with Tanaka Hironori and Mori Hisashi, given his work on One Piece Episode of Chopper, as well as Kuroyagani Kenji. Tate himself is a wild and lively animator, so at the least his own animation will pop. If we get Oonishi Ryou we will have a young, talented animator who has had tenures under talented animators and directors like Tate Naoki, but also has his own distinctive style.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Yamamuro handed the baton to one of peers. Shimanuki Masahiro is not a character designer for anything now that Toriko is over (he did the gourmet stuff). Ide Takeo is probably busy as the head of the Toei Animation Animators Union, but he hasn't shied away from Dragon Ball in recent years. Kan'no Toshiyuki was an animation supervisor as recent as Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, so perhaps he too is a possibility?
I like Kan'no a lot. He worked on the opening of Ultimate Battle 22, didn't he? Despite him being a terrible animator back in the early days of DBZ, he improved greatly. He has a great sense of on-model. He also has his own distinct style of animating Dragon Ball. I don't mind him take a position as a character designer. Then have Tate, Oonishi, Shida, and Ide act as animation supervisors.

Are there any other animators who used to animate Z and GT that could take on this project? Masahiro Shimano and Akira Inagami, perhaps?
Chuquita wrote:I'm hungry for character design from someone other than Yamamuro. Makes me hopeful to think it might actually be.

Who did the art for Gokû and Beerus in the BOZ ad? Ssjg Gokû looked distinctly different in the face in that ad compared to BOG.

I'm not sure. Could you post that ad?
Last edited by DragonBalllKaiHD on Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:00 pm, edited 5 times in total.
Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru's #1 biggest fan

User avatar
Valerius Dover
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1926
Joined: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:47 pm
Location: Somewhere

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Valerius Dover » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:37 pm

kidtrunksssj wrote:Is This Movie A Continuation Of Battle Of Gods Because Thats What The Youtuber UnrealEntGaming Said.
Yes, Toriyama stated that it takes place after Battle of Gods, if that's what you mean. I doubt Beerus and Whis are going to be ignored, since they're all the rage now. So, most likely it's more or less a sequel.
Now available on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/ValeriusDover

The Internet summed up in four words.
"This sucks. Make more."

User avatar
sintzu
Banned
Posts: 13583
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by sintzu » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:38 pm

kidtrunksssj wrote:Is This Movie A Continuation Of Battle Of Gods Because Thats What The Youtuber UnrealEntGaming Said.
All we know is that it takes place after it
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.

User avatar
Jackal puFF
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1684
Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:24 pm
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Jackal puFF » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:47 pm

I'm hoping the human characters get some spot light for once! Krillin didn't do anything at all during BOG. That's insane!

User avatar
sintzu
Banned
Posts: 13583
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by sintzu » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:52 pm

Jackal puFF wrote:I'm hoping the human characters get some spot light for once! Krillin didn't do anything at all during BOG. That's insane!
You must really hate the humans
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.

Post Reply