Unpopular DB opinions

[Kid Buu]

Yeah it was nice that he acted for someone other than himself, but then the next arc he goes back to being a smug father again. I mean Goku was dead between all that between Cell and Buu Arcs and he still managed to hug his son first.

Heck even in the Uub epilogue he was like "LOL Halflings suck at training! Fuck you Kakarot, I'll beat you one day!"

[nhienphan2808]

I reckon it's a combination of Vegeta trying to differenciate himself from the "softies" by clinging to the only he has left (pride) and achieving SSJ getting to his head.

That's the point of the " ". . In Vegeta's case, "honor" = twisted pride, cockiness and tenacity.

Some unpopular opinions :
- I like Minus!Bardock and Minus!Kid Vegeta mote than their "original" counterparts, as characters and story-tellers.
- I dislike 16. Never understood the point of his character. His speech in Gohan's fight with Cell is an eye-rolling to me.
- Kid Trunks is so underated. I like him so much more than Future Trunks.
- Namek Gohan is the best Gohan, Great Saiyaman is one true pleasure to see. Badass!Gohan like Mystic and SSJ2 is cringeworthy out-of-universe and down-right miserable in-universe. I mean he's a younger, more inexperienced, thus even more messed up version of Cell Arc!Vegeta. Vegeta was never a badass then, and he is even less.
- I love when Vegeta is a nerd, which he sooo was more than a badass., Playing rock-paper,talks about bargain sale, dancing for Bills and bowing to respectable people.
- I like how Chichi doesn't give a shit about Goku after Vegeta left in Saiyan Saga.

[TobyS]

Gonna be super long-winded and super unpopular but here goes.

The humans caught up to near base Goku & Vegeta base Strength.

Remember when Goku was 416 before Raditz and the humans were like 250 but hadn't trained with Kami like Goku had.

I think with the same training they could get to like at least 350-400 with the same training.

I believe somewhat of a PL reset (weaker people catching up to stronger people with a similar gap as before) was implied in the 19&20 arc.
I think this is partially evidenced by Gero considering the humans power (along with the larger amount from Piccy) useful against Vegeta, and 17 considering Trunks, Piccolo, Tenshinhan and Kuririn enough for Vegeta to beat #18

I think the humans and Piccolo know Kaioken up to between 20-49 fold.
(x20 is the last we see Goku use in the manga, we know SSJ1 is x50 so it seems likely that it can't go as high as 50 regardless of how sturdy you are in base because it's never used again)
I think Piccolo kind of demonstrated a mastered kaioken against Gero, the kaioken equivalent of FPSSJ1, it was easy and natural to everyone who knew it by this point.
I think all People who have been taught or learned Kaioken have kind of the same deal as Goku with his BoG powers, they have to chose to access it but it's easier then Kaioken first was.

I think most of the advanced training methods like Rosat or Gravity room just allow the person to (using video game terms) "get powerlevelled", but like Baldurs gate, there's a kind of exp curve where lower level people can catch up to the same ballpark as higher level people over time. I think this explains why "Mountain training" as peeps like Rocketman like to slur still exists.

Even if they can't handle RoSaT or x300 times grav as haters claim, I think they would surely use x11 or x100 gravity, but they don't... the obvious answer is because they don't need to take that shortcut IMO. Even Goku, Gohan or Piccolo never use gravity again, and Vegeta never passes Goku (or Pic in base) by doing so.

Vegeta is an idiot and a masochist who has never trained properly, he gained far less then Goku in the RoSaT, you can argue Goku came up with a different unique training method that Vegeta didn't but that proves my point that Vegeta is just overall inferior. He never acknowledges the spiritual/meditative aspect of the chi power, he's just a thug who was only able to gain power over a long period of time because Goku and his friends graciously allowed him to live, provided him with lodgings, armor, food and a gravity chamber.

I think Vegeta was beyond his limits with Majin and Goku is at his limits with SS3 (supported by guidebook descriptions?) and neither improved from there. I think between that and EoZ the humans caught up to the saiyan base levels as I described above and Piccolo surpassed all super Saiyan 1's.

I think Piccolo is SS2 tier at least by the time of DBO.

[sintzu]

Vegeta is an idiot and a masochist who has never trained properly

That would explain why he was able to defeat Goku in the Saiyan Saga and be equal to his power at the end of the buu saga and stronger then him in BOG and keep in mind he did all that without the advantages that Goku had

he gained far less then Goku in the RoSaT

That's because he didn't have a training partner like Goku did

Goku and his friends graciously allowed him to live

I agree on this cause yamcha could have killed him any time he wanted

provided him with lodgings, armor, food and a gravity chamber.

That was bulma not Goku and the others

I think Vegeta was beyond his limits with Majin and Goku is at his limits with SS3 and neither improved from there.

I don't know about Goku but if Vegeta didn't get any stronger then he wouldn't have been able to do what he did to beerus

[nhienphan2808]

Vegeta is an idiot and a masochist who has never trained properly, he gained far less then Goku in the RoSaT, you can argue Goku came up with a different unique training method that Vegeta didn't but that proves my point that Vegeta is just overall inferior. He never acknowledges the spiritual/meditative aspect of the chi power, he's just a thug who was only able to gain power over a long period of time because Goku and his friends graciously allowed him to live, provided him with lodgings, armor, food and a gravity chamber.

I agree that Vegeta inferior at being a martial artist. He trains more, but he gains less. And his arrogant attitude makes him unable to catch up.
But it's little harsh to say Vegeta is an idiot. If Vegeta got the gravity chamber, Goku got numerous friends and training partners and masters who taught him the lesson of Chi and that "there's always someone who's stronger than you". Goku also got natural talent that even Goku is not aware of sometimes (see when Bills said he absorb the SSJG power) Sometimes that ticks me. like what, it's a given and he does not even know it's a given to him? REally Toriyama? I'm sorry but Gokus too hyped. He's not just a good fighter, he's exceptional. Vegeta is a lot of bad things and attitudes, but someone who is only inferior to an off-worldly genius is far from being a thug and an idiot. If anything I appreciate Vegeta for his ability to learn. He may be not open to society and people but he is open-minded to new things. He's straightforward. The mindset of the Saiyans is power level is everything and they depended entirely on scouters. But right after Raditz died, he learned that it's bullshit coz those on earth are able to change and suddenly after that he hated the scouter. He learns to read and sense Ki too. Also his understanding and analysis on how Goku fight the Ginyu and used the SSJ power as if it's base. His Realzation in the first place that the form Trunks used is unusable. He went a little too far with the GR and the ROSAT yeah, but he doesn't just torture his body.

And wasn't Piccolo stronger than a stronget base Saiyan and a SSJ just coz he merge with two people?

I think Vegeta was beyond his limits with Majin and Goku is at his limits with SS3 and neither improved from there.

I don't know about Goku but if Vegeta didn't get any stronger then he wouldn't have been able to do what he did to beerus

And that, too.

[sintzu]

Goku got numerous friends and training partners and masters who taught him the lesson of Chi and that "there's always someone who's stronger than you"Goku also got natural talent that even Goku is not aware of sometimes

All that plus he got to train in the after life for 7 years with unlimited ki which Vegeta got non of yet he still managed to keep up and eventually get stronger then him with what little that he had but for some reason like evrything else Vegeta did it's never acknowledged

[MediaFanGirl93]

I like how Chichi doesn't give a shit about Goku after Vegeta left in Saiyan Saga.

For me, While it still bugs me how Chi-Chi gave Goku the cold shoulder, I never had a problem with her paying more attention to Gohan. Gohan was just an innocent child and he was younger and more inexperienced than Goku, so it's understandable that she would have been more concerned for Gohan.

Eh, I guess I could say that I enjoyed the Boo saga as a whole very much and if I had the choice to either keep it in or delete it from history entirely, I would keep it without a second doubt. But I guess that isn't really an unpopular opinion, since many people think the same away.

Hmm... Oh, I think SSJ3 has the best design out of all the SSJ transformations.

That Saga got me into the show because I loved Goten and Trunks and Videl as a child.

[dae428]

My favorite Dragon Ball arc was the Boo arc....

While it has a ton of faults such as sloppy plot progression and way too many transformations and power ups. I just can't help but enjoy it and all its crazy zaniness. To me the Boo arc has always been a ton of fun with its mix of the fantastical and sci-fi (or science fantasy I don't know...) elements. This was like the old and new Dragon Ball coming together, getting drunk, and having a huge, crazy party involving cake and alcohol and chewing gum. The characters are a ton of fun as well;

Spoiler:

notable examples being the interactions between Mr. Satan and Boo

and you see some decent character progression with some of them.

[GTx10]

I like Dragon Ball's mystical adventure overtones more than Z and GT's space themes. I also consider GT canon, always have, always will. I never cared much for Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr, they are cool but meh. I oddly consider the Ocean/Saban dub and its three movies to be "my Dragon Ball Z". Everything else is "extra".
The Bardock special is odd, and Japanese Gotenks voice is a annoying.

[Luke Groundwalker]

- Android arc is better than the Freeza arc quality-wise, but Freeza is obviously the all time GOAT villain and his battle with Goku is one of the best in the entire series and has more meaning to it than ANY battle in Android arc.
- I always thought the Red Ribbon Army arc dragged on more than any other arc in the series, but it was enjoyable for the gags in it. After a while, however, the Red Ribbon Army as central antagonists got old, even when they were reintroduced in Android arc.
- Most memorable fight in the entire series is Goku vs. Piccolo at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.
- The first Broly movie was one of the better movies, even though the storyline about Broly as a baby getting pissed off at Goku was bad writing it was overall one of the best films in the entire series. Too bad about the other two though...
- Trunks was a good character, but got shafted like everyone else, making his impact on the arc centered around him more minimal than it should've been. I feel like Tenshinhan and Yamcha were done the same way. Both are some of my favorite characters yet they constantly get bitched out or shafted in favor of others. Would it have hurt Toriyama to write something to where humans can get as powerful as Saiyans can?
- Despite his good-hearted nature as a child, Goku grew up to be a pretty big asshole only caring about fighting. Then again, he is a Saiyan.

[gohann]

-I think SSJ4 looks the best out of all the transformations, either on Goku or Vegeta.
-I like old Dub Goku (though my favorite voice from him is Ian James Corlett), and I don't think he's some "lame Superman".
-I don't think GT was crap, though it wasn't good.
-Dragon Ball > DBZ (this is less popular on some other sites)
-I thought the Garlic Jr. filler arc was alright.
-I don't think Kai is a complete improvement over the original, I actually find it quite overrated.
-I like Kid Goten and Trunks somewhat.
-I don't like any Abridged Series.
-I don't think Chris Sabat is a terrible actor.

[Doctor.]

- I think SSJ3's design is the best (I already said this but whatever )
- I love SSJG's design.
- I think Adult Gohan is the best version of Gohan.
- I like the Great Saiyaman.
- I like SSJ4's design, on Goku only though.
- I don't dislike any (canon) Dragon Ball character.
- I like Bruce Faulconer's tracks even though I didn't grow up with them.
- I love the Boo arc in every possible way.
- I think the Red Ribbon Army arc was the best arc of part 1, and not the Piccolo Daimao arc.
- Beerus is my favorite antagonist (not necessarily the one I consider the best).
- I think the base Saiyans are stronger than Freeza.
- The best fight in the series for me was Piccolo Jr. vs Goku.
- I have complete faith in Toriyama's judgement.
- I think the 22nd TB was the worst out of the main 3 and also the least good arc of the entire DB manga.
- I do not think Dragon Ball Minus is bad in any way.
- I think Yamamoto is comparable to Kikuchi, even though I prefer the latter.
- I enjoyed the Yo! special.
- I think BoG is the best movie, excluding the 2 TV Specials.
- I think that neither Z nor Kai do the manga justice.
- I don't care for a Goku vs Vegeta rematch that much. I mean, we already had 2 fights. I would welcome it if it indeed happens, of course.
- I like Gotenks and I hope to see him in future movies.
- I liked GT somewhat and I don't consider it bad at all.
- I think GT has a better soundtrack than DB, DBZ or DBK.
- Dimps is overrated and Spike is underrated. Fight me.
- I think Kuririn's actions regarding 18 in the Artificial Human arc were somewhat understandable.

I think that's all... for now

[EXBadguy]

I think the Frieza saga's overrated as hell. I still love it, but I think that saga has a bit more flaws than the Buu Saga, just a bit. The only character developments that were good in that saga were Goku's and Vegeta. So heres my saga ranking...

1st place- Android/Cell saga
2nd place- Saiyan
3rd place- Frieza
Last- Buu

- King Piccolo, Nappa, Cell, Majin Buu, Super Buu, and Syn/Omega Shenron are my favorite villains of the series
- Broly is my favorite movie villain
- Krillin and Tien are my favorite DB characters...aside from Goku of course
- Gohan is my favorite Z character. If I had to rank the saga characters. Cell Saga Gohan > Ultimate Gohan > Saiyan Saga Gohan > Namek Gohan(very undeveloped IMO).
- I like the second half of GT(Super 17-Shadow Dragons) and I think that's where GT really shines.
- The original DB got interesting to me when it got to the Red Ribbon Army. As for the earlier sagas, I think they're okay now. I didn't like them at first.
- Some characters STILL have individual fighting styles in Z. Piccolo's a strategist, Vegeta's a brutal fighter, Goku's a fluid martial artist, with or w/o the SS forms, etc.
- I don't like Kikuchi's Z music and I'm kinda glad things were the way they were with the dub replacement.
- Kenji Yamamoto > Bruce Falconer > Suitomo >>>>>>>>>>>>Shinuske Kikuchi(Z only. His work in DB were great though).

[BlackMagick]

Gonna be super long-winded and super unpopular but here goes.

The humans caught up to near base Goku & Vegeta base Strength.

Hm... I don't think that's TOO far-fetched since I believe that neither Goku or Vegeta surpassed Freeza in their base forms, but I still think it's unlikely that the humans would catch up. For some reason, I can't imagine the humans being anywhere near as strong as Freeza. Especially not Yamcha.

Remember when Goku was 416 before Raditz and the humans were like 250 but hadn't trained with Kami like Goku had.

I think with the same training they could get to like at least 350-400 with the same training.

Sure. Can't imagine why that's unpopular opinion. That seems logical. Goku didn't start being ridiculously more powerful than his peers until the Namek arc anyway.

I believe somewhat of a PL reset (weaker people catching up to stronger people with a similar gap as before) was implied in the 19&20 arc.
I think this is partially evidenced by Gero considering the humans power (along with the larger amount from Piccy) useful against Vegeta, and 17 considering Trunks, Piccolo, Tenshinhan and Kuririn enough for Vegeta to beat #18

I think at this point, Goku was so far ahead of his human peers, that they couldn't actually keep up. You know, because Goku continued to train three years before the cyborgs arrived. The humans trained as well but I don't think three years of constant training on either side yields enough time to close the power gap. I'd actually like to think that the gap got even larger. As far as the 17 and 18 thing goes, I think that while 18 was clearly more powerful than Vegeta, she wasn't so much more powerful that she could solo him, Trunks, and Piccolo; let alone throwing Tenshinhan and Kuririn in the mix. I don't see that fight in the same calibur as, say, Freeza vs Gohan, Kuririn, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Goku. Freeza was disgustingly more powerful than all five of them.

I think the humans and Piccolo know Kaioken up to between 20-49 fold.
(x20 is the last we see Goku use in the manga, we know SSJ1 is x50 so it seems likely that it can't go as high as 50 regardless of how sturdy you are in base because it's never used again)
I think Piccolo kind of demonstrated a mastered kaioken against Gero, the kaioken equivalent of FPSSJ1, it was easy and natural to everyone who knew it by this point.
I think all People who have been taught or learned Kaioken have kind of the same deal as Goku with his BoG powers, they have to chose to access it but it's easier then Kaioken first was.

I don't think it's ever been implied that Piccolo and the human can or ever used Kaio-ken. I mean, Kaio might have taught the technique but nothing really suggests that he did. And I don't think Kaio-Ken works that way. I'm sure that Kaio-Ken can be multiplied by however high the body can handle. It wouldn't make sense for it to cap at x50. The only reason Goku doesn't continue to use Kaio-Ken is because SSJ is just better. There is absolutely no need for him to use Kaio-Ken if he can multiply his strength without harming his body.

I think most of the advanced training methods like Rosat or Gravity room just allow the person to (using video game terms) "get powerlevelled", but like Baldurs gate, there's a kind of exp curve where lower level people can catch up to the same ballpark as higher level people over time. I think this explains why "Mountain training" as peeps like Rocketman like to slur still exists.

Even if they can't handle RoSaT or x300 times grav as haters claim, I think they would surely use x11 or x100 gravity, but they don't... the obvious answer is because they don't need to take that shortcut IMO. Even Goku, Gohan or Piccolo never use gravity again, and Vegeta never passes Goku (or Pic in base) by doing so.

I don't think the humans can handle x300 gravity. Like I was saying before, I can't imagine any of the humans anywhere near as strong as full power Freeza. Around the Namek arc, even x100 gravity was insane, so I doubt x300 would be doable for the humans.

Vegeta is an idiot and a masochist who has never trained properly, he gained far less then Goku in the RoSaT, you can argue Goku came up with a different unique training method that Vegeta didn't but that proves my point that Vegeta is just overall inferior. He never acknowledges the spiritual/meditative aspect of the chi power, he's just a thug who was only able to gain power over a long period of time because Goku and his friends graciously allowed him to live, provided him with lodgings, armor, food and a gravity chamber.

Idiot and masochist might be pushing it a bit, but I do agree that he's a bonehead. He pushes his body to it's absolute limit when he should be resting instead. I don't necessarily see Vegeta as inferior as much as I see that Goku is just incredibly talented.

I think Vegeta was beyond his limits with Majin and Goku is at his limits with SS3 (supported by guidebook descriptions?) and neither improved from there. I think between that and EoZ the humans caught up to the saiyan base levels as I described above and Piccolo surpassed all super Saiyan 1's.

I don't think Vegeta reached his peak at his Majin form and Goku clearly didn't peak at SSJ3. BoG certainly shows how much stronger he gets. Vegeta and Goku got stronger during the 10 year time-skip. I believe they peaked sometime there. But I definitely agree than Piccolo surpassed the SSJ1 stages.

I think Piccolo is SS2 tier at least by the time of DBO.

I think that's believable.

[TheZFighter]

For me, DBZ got way too "Saiyan heavy" unfortunately, both in terms of characters and the introduction of new transformations. It caused me to lose interest a bit.

I love Goku, and I love Vegeta (what a fantastically done character). I liked Future Trunks because of his backstory mostly. I've always found Gohan a bit"whiney" and uninteresting unfortunately. Similarly Trunks and Goten didn't particularly interest me either, though I did like what they did with Gotenks.

After Goku, my favourite characters have always been the Earthlings. Tien is my second favourite character of all time, Yamcha is my third favourite character of all time. I'm also a big fan of Chiaotzu and Yajirobe (both very funny but criminally underused). One of the strengths of Dragon Ball for me was Goku's friends. They're all so different and interesting, and have some really cool techniques (though not neccessarily good!) like Tri-Beam and it's numerous variations, Solar Flare, Wolf Fang Fist and it's numerous variations (did this move ever work on anyone lol?), Spirit Ball, Dodon Ray, Chiaotzu's psychic/ telekinetic powers and anything involving Yajirobe's katana. Unfortunately I guess it was easier to write for the Saiyan characters, so the humans were just thrown to the wayside, rather than finding ways of making them keep up, which is a shame. It really made me appreciate the little bits of filler that promoted them, like fighting the Ginyu Force on King Kai's planet.

I find Krillin to be a very overrated character, though I still like him.

[ImmaDeker]

I like Dragonball Evolution way more than I like most of the franchise. I also generally prefer GT over the other two, though I think the single best piece of Z fiction (Battle of Gods) is better than the grand majority of stuff put out in this franchise overall.

[bkev]

I like Dragonball Evolution way more than I like most of the franchise. I also generally prefer GT over the other two, though I think the single best piece of Z fiction (Battle of Gods) is better than the grand majority of stuff put out in this franchise overall.

Whoa there. Before anyone starts seriously condemning you, I'd like to ask for an explanation on this one. Can't just drop a bombshell like that without some explanation if you're serious (and, given how long-winded and well thought-out some of your posts are, I can only assume you are.)

[ImmaDeker]

Whoa there. Before anyone starts seriously condemning you, I'd like to ask for an explanation on this one. Can't just drop a bombshell like that without some explanation if you're serious (and, given how long-winded and well thought-out some of your posts are, I can only assume you are.)

The older I get, the less interesting Dragonball gets on its own merits. It's very charming and very much a fun ride, but frankly, the series just isn't very good. I'm not opposed to utter shlock (I love Power Rangers and Filthy Frank like nobody's fucking business), but Dragonball just doesn't hold the same appeal. I think it's because of the turn for the grander scale taken around Piccolo Daimao and running all through Z. I LOVE gag stuff that turns more serious while keeping its innate comedic charm and with that being one of my favorite things...Dragonball gets less appealing because other stories just do it better. Moral Orel's my second favorite TV show ever and, to be a bit fairer, I always thought Katekyo Hitman Reborn did the "gag into heavier storytelling" schtick better than DB ever did. Partially because Akira Toriyama isn't really the writer people like Dino Stamatopolouos and Akira Amano are. That's perfectly fine of him!

But the thing about Battle of Gods is as much as it rekindled my like for Dragonball after basically forgetting about it for years, I realized it was everything I'd wished Z was. Sitcom tone with cosmic stakes. I can't stand Freeza, Cell, the Saiyans, etc. Dragonball's specific type of genre mashing is just much less interesting to me than others. Maybe it's totally bias as to why I find Trunks as Aryan Messiah Kyle Reese (which, okay, granted? That's potentially hilarious and great) completely boring but find something like Zordon, who by pure accident is maybe one of the better possible takes on the Wizard of Oz as a great conman. Certainly me liking Wizard of Oz more than Terminator helps, though I love both quite a bit. It may help that Dragonball has a much bigger attempt at legitimacy with its incredibly threadbare mythology. I have trouble processing an adult taking it as seriously as people do. By contrast, I love stuff like Super Saiyan God because it's a cosmic ritual to render mortal as a god...but that's only appealing in the context of a rather breezy comedy film that just happens to become a wuxia throwdown in the third act.

Divorced from context, Super Saiyan God is a boring, trite idea. It'd be THE OTHER SUPER SAIYAN FORMS. The mythology of the Saiyan, such as it is, and the weight the story carries it just kills so much for me. As interesting as things can be even when derivative, and there's nothing wrong with being derivative, the idea that EVERY GODDAMN THING tries to be both a big martial arts epic with "stakes" (oh, but they all come back at the end) while also embiggening the rapist space savages who are also intrinsically capable of being holy, golden, and pure is just frustrating. The fact that people genuinely invest in Super Saiyan swagger while being fully functioning adults is absurd to me.

It's very much a story made for dudes who don't believe their actions should have any meaningful consequence and where women really only exist to SPOIL THEIR FUUUUN. Or at least, it eventually is. A lot of the pre-Z fiction is charmingly, boyishly juvenile and harmless. Z's sensibilities are like the assholes I see at the trailer park every time I go to visit a good friend of mine: where men are just unironically in charge and superior when all the logic around them is incredibly simple and emotionally stunted (HOW DO PEOPLE UNIRONICALLY INVEST IN POWER LEVELS?)

And honestly? That's worse than being outright bad. All that's just fucking boring and genuinely frustrating like a tool who refuses to wear more than a wifebeater.

By contrast, I don't think anyone who, like, actually watches and likes movies could ever be upset at Dragonball Evolution. Because...it's a bad movie, but it's unambitiously bad. It's 4 AM on cable bad. It's not raping some grand legacy because Dragonball isn't a legacy, it's just a series of Aryans punching each other in the face because girls are grody and we're constantly told these grand . Dragonball Evolution is just a cheap movie you'd find on TV while barely awake or drunk. It's greatest fault is actually that it's AGGRESSIVELY, FORGETTABLY MEDIOCRE more than it is offensive. Nobody with cognitive, matured functions could ever reasonably be offended by this movie unless they seriously, unironically invest in Toriyama's quest for cigarettes and beer money as masterful literature. The movie's not even bad enough to have shown up on, say, Mystery Science Theatre 3000. There are no Rowsdowers or Princes of Space worthy of real mockery on its own merits.

Also? I just find the characters more interesting. I like Goku as a socially awkward high schooler who's worldly, but not quite worldly enough to understand that fairy tales and fables in science class probably aren't going to go over well. I like that Chi Chi is the kung fu girl next door instead of someone constantly shit on by the universe around her. I like that Bulma is a pulp action gunbitch. I like that Oozaru the Destroyer is a sleeper agent who was sealed inside a teenage boy, creating a weird Peter Parker/Bruce Banner hybrid that's kinda neat even if the actual writing doesn't much sell it at all. I like that the scripting is JUST vague and ill thought enough to reasonably imply Master Roshi is both immortal and the rebellious kid among immortals and THIS guy is your mentor. I like Piccolo as Freeza just because it gives the movie a nice, early synthesis of old legend and science fiction coming together.

I just...like it better? Dragonball gets to a point where it becomes boring and up its own ass in terms of its threadbare, insultingly simple mythology (at least, insulting in its non-Battle of Gods or Buu arc context of SO COOL WARRIOR GUYS). The characters stop being charming, everything becomes a boring slog of Super Cool Aryan Manchildren. It's just a giant bag of boring shit.

Dragonball Evoution is a mediocre movie you watch at four AM that neither inspires passion within you or makes you blind with rage. It's...just a movie. One that is just poorly written enough that it actually fired my imagination a little as I watched it and I will FOREVER be disappointed we never got like nine shitty sequels on the SyFy Channel that'd shove all of Toriyama's ideas into weird holes they don't belong in. I would've watched that shit forever and a day.

I find Dragonball more interesting in retrospect than its own merits. GT? Evolution? Heroes? That kind of stuff is interesting to me. The continued attempt to MAKE something out of Toriyama's work, whether in cold commercialism or narrative merit. How it always kind of fails but ends up being worth the ride anyway. I like that stuff. The spin off material has that fascinating paradox of needing to uphold the legacy of a sbow...that just isn't really deserving of an actual legacy. The limitation of the potential by virtue of its brand is both incredibly frustrating but incredibly fun to watch as certain ideas, notions, and intents try to wrestle out of their straight jacket.

[sintzu]

I like Dragonball Evolution way more than I like most of the franchise. I also generally prefer GT over the other two, though I think the single best piece of Z fiction (Battle of Gods) is better than the grand majority of stuff put out in this franchise overall.

Never give you're opinion when you're drunk,You'll probably edit this post the minute you snap out of whatever fantasy you're in.

[VegettoEX]

Why do you insist on being so rude?

Someone not finding Evolution offensive garbage doesn't mean they're drunk. I agree with every single point made about the movie in that post. Am I drunk? Should you not listen to anything I ever say? Dismiss it all? Move along?

If you disagree with something, explain why you disagree with something.