Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[FortuneSSJ]

I think if we ever end up with an alternative evil Goku or Bizarro-Goku I'd probably actually start crying.

We already had one. His name was Turles.

[Hellspawn28]

Tullece was not link to Goku. He was his own character.

[Luso Saiyan]

Tullece was not link to Goku. He was his own character.

Concept-wise he was an evil Goku. That was the whole point of the character.

[valfranx]

it seems that the timeline of trunks is the original timeline, the timeline goku is a dimension created as a result of time travel.

las tres dimensions de db por las que viajan trunks y cell
el juego de cell ocurre en la dimension 3. trunks se entrenó antes del juego de cell y volvio la dimension 2, donde vencio a los androides y a cell.
por otro lado, el cell de la dimension 1 robó la maquina del tiempo de trunks y creó el juego de cell. es decir, la dimension 3 es una historia creada a partir de las otras dimensiones.
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source - db: forever guide

Dragon Ball Z Perfect Anime Guide – Son Goku Densetsu:
refer to the timelines like "worlds
parallels created through of the time travel.

In the future where Trunks lives,
Bulma builds and puts all
their hope in this time machine.
She calculated that
to turn to the past when peace
reigned and prevent
Goku's death, the whole story
would have been different.
However,
this time machine ends up
creating some other "worlds
parallels ". inclusive, there is even
a world in which there will be
Majin Buu.

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What are the consequences of if
change history?
The future of the world was saved because
Goku and Gohan defeated Cell, but in the
future where Trunks lived, he is that defeat the
Cell. Ie, the fact Goku have if cured of the
disease fatal has created at least two distinct
futures, just as there is a future where Trunks is
killed by Cell. A small detail changed in the past
can create numerous
parallel worlds.

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[Doctor.]

Dragon Ball Z Perfect Anime Guide – Son Goku Densetsu:
refer to the timelines like "worlds
parallels created through of the time travel.

In the future where Trunks lives,
Bulma builds and puts all
their hope in this time machine.
She calculated that
to turn to the past when peace
reigned and prevent
Goku's death, the whole story
would have been different.
However,
this time machine ends up
creating some other "worlds
parallels ". inclusive, there is even
a world in which there will be
Majin Buu.

The last part of this translation is incorrect. It says, "there is even a world where there will be no Majin Buu".

[valfranx]

dragon ball multiverse is apparently based on Marvel multiverse. each of these other universes outside the multiverse
are what we call megaverse: own kingdoms inhabited by different creatures, with different laws of physics and its own collection of alternate dimensions.

ps: merely a theory.

Official Handbook of marvel universe 2006.


Most imporantly "A universe is a single-dimension reality, such as Earth 616".

Official Handbook of Marvel Universe 2008 (Glossary)


Dimension: "universe or realm containing space, time, matter , and energy".

Dimension has been on panel shown interchangeable to universe (thank you Mr. Master for the scan)



"These universes are often popularly called dimensions"


DBO: mentions that these timelines exist in the same universe, the universe 7.

resume:

db/marvel megaverses:





universe 7/eternity realm:

[Herms]

The 12 universe aren't alt universe but instead their own sperate reality and regions. There's no Goku in universes 1-6 and 8-12. Unless they're coincidence named Goku as well.

Where was this confirmed? I always envisioned it as being alt realities all together aka a multi-verse. Nothing in the movie really suggested otherwise.

Chouzenshuu 4 states a few times that Universe 7 is where DB takes place, where Goku and co. live and have adventures, etc etc, without any distinction between the manga/anime/movies or whatnot. So, presumably no alternate versions of Goku and co. in the other universes. Even in the movie, Beerus mentions the other universes to say that there may be unknown guys out there even more incredible than him or Whis. The other universes represent new frontiers and unknown challenges, not stuff we've already seen before like GT or SD. The idea that, say, manga!Goku lives in Universe 7 and GT!Goku lives in Universe 6 while SD!Goku lives in Universe 8 may be appealing to some fans, but it's safe to say that nobody running the series cares enough about continuity to think in those terms.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Besides, if they were alternative universes, wouldn't they be infinite instead of only 12?

[miguelnuva1]

I would make GT a universe and then the other 10 could be completely different if I was writing.

[Fizzer]

Yes, since the multiverse has already been established since the Cell arc, each of the 12 "universes" is a separate multiverse within the omniverse. Each multiverse consists of potentially infinite universes with the same initial conditions but which diverge from each other at different points in time, while the multiverse themselves are fundamentally different places from each other.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Well, I don't think the multiverse has been established since the Cell arc. I believe that alternate timelines don't mean different universes, but that different timelines can coexist in the same one, so all the timelines created during the Cell saga belong to Universe 7. The only evidence I have for this is Beerus mentioning how twelve universes exist, each with its own God of Destruction. If a few of those universes had been created thanks to the actions of Trunks and Cell, they'd be exact copies of the unaltered timeline (up to the point they diverge) so their GoD would be copies of Beerus and not separate Gods.

[CordonBloo]

Yep I think we can all agree that that is the case until contrary evidence is given.

[Hellspawn28]

Besides, if they were alternative universes, wouldn't they be infinite instead of only 12?

Some franchises have a multiverse with just two universes. I remember Slayers stated that Lord of Nightmares created four universes and I remember the Wheel of Time franchise only had two universes. A Multiverse is a collection of universes with two universes or more.

[Mewzard]

Besides, if they were alternative universes, wouldn't they be infinite instead of only 12?

Some franchises have a multiverse with just two universes. I remember Slayers stated that Lord of Nightmares created four universes and I remember the Wheel of Time franchise only had two universes. A Multiverse is a collection of universes with two universes or more.

Or in the case of DC, the Multiverse used to be infinite, then was mostly destroyed (the last five universes being merged into one), then was remade into 52 Universes (what it is today):



Honestly, if BoG didn't specify 12 universes, I'd have put the DB main universe as one of the 7 "Undiscovered" universes just for the fun crossover. Though the god set up doesn't gel all that well with DB.

I must admit, the time travel thing does make me wonder how Trunks' whole scenario works out with the multiverse.

I wonder if Toriyama will address the multiverse in this movie. Perhaps our foe for the movie can be another one of the Gods of Destruction. Or at least have Goku go to another universe.

[Luke Groundwalker]

The 12 universe aren't alt universe but instead their own sperate reality and regions. There's no Goku in universes 1-6 and 8-12. Unless they're coincidence named Goku as well.

Where was this confirmed? I always envisioned it as being alt realities all together aka a multi-verse. Nothing in the movie really suggested otherwise.

Chouzenshuu 4 states a few times that Universe 7 is where DB takes place, where Goku and co. live and have adventures, etc etc, without any distinction between the manga/anime/movies or whatnot. So, presumably no alternate versions of Goku and co. in the other universes. Even in the movie, Beerus mentions the other universes to say that there may be unknown guys out there even more incredible than him or Whis. The other universes represent new frontiers and unknown challenges, not stuff we've already seen before like GT or SD. The idea that, say, manga!Goku lives in Universe 7 and GT!Goku lives in Universe 6 while SD!Goku lives in Universe 8 may be appealing to some fans, but it's safe to say that nobody running the series cares enough about continuity to think in those terms.

Yeah this makes sense, though I definitely think there are different continuities in each universe. Aka Universe 7 encompasses the entire series, but it also encompasses the variety of multiple paths it takes as well ala Trunks timeline, or separate timelines for the movies and whatnot.

Makes me curious what these other universes really encompass and if it even matters to the bigger picture of things in Dragonball.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yeah this makes sense, though I definitely think there are different continuities in each universe. Aka Universe 7 encompasses the entire series, but it also encompasses the variety of multiple paths it takes as well ala Trunks timeline, or separate timelines for the movies and whatnot.

Of course the different continuities are included, as alternate timelines. The series, guides and DBO all reinforce this. They just aren't spread out over the 12 Universes like some people think, they are all contained in Universe 7's Time Storage Vault, over seen by the Kaiojikan in DBO (and probably Xenoverse).

[Kamiccolo9]

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The new DB multiverse that BoG mentions doesn't seem to be like Marvel's. The majority of Marvel's different universes, such as Earth-295 (Age of Apocalypse), Earth-811 (Days of Future Past), MC2 (Spider-Girl, A-Next), and Earth 3515 (The Reigning (Best alternate Earth ever)), are split off from the main 616 timeline. They are more similar to the timelines as described in the Cell Arc, than the multiverse that BoG introduces as described in supplemental material. The DB multiverse seems more like DC's, as Mewzard mentioned above.

Marvel's multiverse is weird though. It has plenty of totally separate universes as well, such as Earth-1610 (Ultimate), Earth X, and Earth-311 (Marvel 1602). And then you have all of the totally separate realms, like Cyttorak's, the various Hells, Continuum, and others.

Also, that "Dimensions=Universes" quote is outdated, and flat-out wrong. While some characters have equated them in Marvel's history, these are typically characters that have no idea what they are talking about, and this has been refuted by more recent works. Dimensions typically exist within various universes, being a part of them, and yet separate at the same time, such as the Heroes Reborn pocket dimension created by Franklin Richards at the conclusion of Onslaught: Marvel Universe. Asgard and the other realms that Yggdrasil encompasses are dimensions. Earth-616 is a universe.

[Dbzk1999]

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The new DB multiverse that BoG mentions doesn't seem to be like Marvel's. The majority of Marvel's different universes, such as Earth-295 (Age of Apocalypse), Earth-811 (Days of Future Past), MC2 (Spider-Girl, A-Next), and Earth 3515 (The Reigning (Best alternate Earth ever)), are split off from the main 616 timeline. They are more similar to the timelines as described in the Cell Arc, than the multiverse that BoG introduces as described in supplemental material. The DB multiverse seems more like DC's, as Mewzard mentioned above.

Marvel's multiverse is weird though. It has plenty of totally separate universes as well, such as Earth-1610 (Ultimate), Earth X, and Earth-311 (Marvel 1602). And then you have all of the totally separate realms, like Cyttorak's, the various Hells, Continuum, and others.

Also, that "Dimensions=Universes" quote is outdated, and flat-out wrong. While some characters have equated them in Marvel's history, these are typically characters that have no idea what they are talking about, and this has been refuted by more recent works. Dimensions typically exist within various universes, being a part of them, and yet separate at the same time, such as the Heroes Reborn pocket dimension created by Franklin Richards at the conclusion of Onslaught: Marvel Universe. Asgard and the other realms that Yggdrasil encompasses are dimensions. Earth-616 is a universe.

IIRC I think it's because the marvel multiverse is infinite

[Chuquita]

Question about May release date vs March:

In a best-case-scenario in which production on DB15 begins around the same time of year as production of BOG began, just how much would the extra two months of production improve the quality or add to the length (or both) of the movie? Would it be more like getting the equivalent of BOG's extended version as the theatrical cut, or would it still be around the same length as the theatrical cut of BOG, but have smoother and higher quality animation?

Did they just announce this movie early or are they actually giving them a longer amount of time to make the movie?

[JulieYBM]

Question about May release date vs March:

In a best-case-scenario in which production on DB15 begins around the same time of year as production of BOG began, just how much would the extra two months of production improve the quality or add to the length (or both) of the movie? Would it be more like getting the equivalent of BOG's extended version as the theatrical cut, or would it still be around the same length as the theatrical cut of BOG, but have smoother and higher quality animation?

Did they just announce this movie early or are they actually giving them a longer amount of time to make the movie?

The average key animator can handle between two and four cuts a day. Two is the usual amount, although depending on the sort of cut one might only finish one per day or even upwards of four. Inoue Toshiyuki has done four-to-five cuts in a single day. With scheduling as much of an issue as it is and extra month could mean getting a talented freelancer on board when he has an opening in his schedule or having extra time to correct drawings of unskilled animators. If a talented animator is willing and able an extra month or two could mean sixty or higher cuts of sublime quality. Shida Naotoshi first revealed he was working on Dragon Ball Z: Kami to Kami on 01 November 2012. On 13 November 2013 he tweeted that he had finished his work on the film. That means he did the storyboard, layouts and key animation drawings for these cuts in that amount of time. Shida is almost always allowed to storyboard his own cuts, even when he does not receive official credit, so we have to factor that into the timing as well. In about two weeks Shida made the best action sequence in the film. Imagine if he was able to work twice as long and do a higher number of cuts. Even they were not all action in nature his drawings would make dialogue cuts look much better.

Shida doesn't even have to the only action animator. There are plenty of animators who specialize in action animation. Hire them to work on the film for a month or two longer than normal and the movie could be a great improvement.