Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I thought Sabat said they were adding some effect to Schemmel's voice for ssjg Gokû, I don't hear it here.

In terms of acting, I haven't really been able to watch/enjoy Funi Gokû since TFS because of how much more I like MasakoX's Gokû voice than Schemmel's. Schemmel doesn't sound any better or worse than usual in this clip.

I'm still curious about how they handled the "desu" scene dialogue-wise.

That is why I don't like TFS at all. It just divides the fan base even further. The people shouldn't even be comparing MasakoX to Schemmel at all. In all fairness he has improved a lot since the old days of Z dub. He should be given a chance to portray Gokû, and I think he did darn fine job of it.

No.

Don't put that on us. That's hardly fair at all. Don't say you have a problem with us or that you don't like us because people are divided. We're doing our own thing and we're having fun with it, trying to entertain people and tackle DragonBall Z in a completely different manner.

I said it because that's how I see it. That's how I feel. You guys are taking away the spotlights for Funimation. You are creating even more fan base unnecessarily. We have Ocean fan base, Funimation fan base, Z Kai fan base, and Japanese version fan base. Do we even need more fan base? It just creates more headache arguments, which is obviously not needed. The priority we should be focusing on right now is Funimation, since we are living in America and that's where the official dubbing company is.

[TheGmGoken]

I thought Sabat said they were adding some effect to Schemmel's voice for ssjg Gokû, I don't hear it here.

In terms of acting, I haven't really been able to watch/enjoy Funi Gokû since TFS because of how much more I like MasakoX's Gokû voice than Schemmel's. Schemmel doesn't sound any better or worse than usual in this clip.

I'm still curious about how they handled the "desu" scene dialogue-wise.

That is why I don't like TFS at all. It just divides the fan base even further. The people shouldn't even be comparing MasakoX to Schemmel at all. In all fairness he has improved a lot since the old days of Z dub. He should be given a chance to portray Gokû, and I think he did darn fine job of it.

Its TFS fault for making a parody? It's TFS fault for providing voices for the parody. I can find many fandubs and look st the reviews it gets. Some of them say "Wow better than the actual voices!". Are you going to blame them too? I don't see what's the big deal. I disagree with Chiquita but Maybe she legitly like the voice. It may fit in her eyes. I love TFS's Gero better than any Gero voice. It's a great voice.

The priority we should be focusing on right now is Funimation, since we are living in America and that's where the official dubbing company is

I thought TFS was in Canada? They don't have to do American things. I'm pretty sure Funimation is more popular than TFS.

[Gyt Kaliba]

People still disliked Schemmel, even after he got better, far before Abridged started up, so it definitely isn't fair to act like it's their fault that the fan base is so divided. If people imagine MasakoX as their perfect English Goku, then that's not TFS's fault or doing either - it's just how any one particular fan has received it.

Honestly, I think this fandom was just gonna be fractured no matter what. I mean, remove any talk of dubs or voices and music at all, and just look at the story itself...you still would have a good number of different factions who all think the other are completely stupid and wrong. Power level debates, for example, almost never seem to boil down to anything to do with one dub over another - oh sure, there may be little tidbits come up about what one version has said that may be incorrect in comparison to the original, but largely it always comes down to one person saying that their numbers are more right than the other person's numbers because they said so...and not a bit of that has anything to do with one version or another, it just has to do with DBZ in-of-itself. It is sadly just the nature of the beast that is DBZ.

I mean, I guess I get the annoyance - I do get tired of seeing people quote the same Abridged jokes all the time, or saying that they should be dubbing the show for real, but to quote a rather awesome fictional character, "That's just like, their opinion, man". TFS didn't encode a hidden message making people do that or want that, it's just what their own preference seems to be, and therefore is on them.

[KaiserNeko]

I thought Sabat said they were adding some effect to Schemmel's voice for ssjg Gokû, I don't hear it here.

In terms of acting, I haven't really been able to watch/enjoy Funi Gokû since TFS because of how much more I like MasakoX's Gokû voice than Schemmel's. Schemmel doesn't sound any better or worse than usual in this clip.

I'm still curious about how they handled the "desu" scene dialogue-wise.

That is why I don't like TFS at all. It just divides the fan base even further. The people shouldn't even be comparing MasakoX to Schemmel at all. In all fairness he has improved a lot since the old days of Z dub. He should be given a chance to portray Gokû, and I think he did darn fine job of it.

Its TFS fault for making a parody? It's TFS fault for providing voices for the parody. I can find many fandubs and look st the reviews it gets. Some of them say "Wow better than the actual voices!". Are you going to blame them too? I don't see what's the big deal. I disagree with Chiquita but maybe she legitimately likes the voice. It may fit in her eyes. I love TFS's Gero better than any Gero voice. It's a great voice.

The priority we should be focusing on right now is Funimation, since we are living in America and that's where the official dubbing company is

I thought TFS was in Canada? They don't have to do American things. I'm pretty sure Funimation is more popular than TFS.

Aaactually, we're mostly all from the United States.

Also, DBKHD, that's not our responsibility. Regardless, though, we've always encouraged people to watch the original show, we've promoted the Funimation actors, we MADE A VIDEO PROMOTING THE MOVIE'S PREMIERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

There's nothing wrong with fringe fanbases, especially considering how much attention we draw to the franchise proper. It's ridiculous to try and shame us for having an audience, some of which might enjoy CERTAIN QUALITIES OF OUR VERSION MORE.

... Anyway, I'm really looking forward to seeing the movie tomorrow. It'll be in a completely packed theater, apparently! As will Schemmel's in Lewisville!

[Mewzard]

I view DBZ Abridged and the official product as separate things, so I can enjoy my comedic take on the characters and my Funi dub of Kai as well...and the manga...and the Japanese version of DB...

The point is, one can enjoy all of them. Kaiser and the TFS guys are just awesome fans showing their love in their own way. Nothing wrong with that.

I wish I could go see the movie in theaters, but it's looking likely I'll have to wait for a home release. Not necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes **** happens.

[ParkerAL]

I said it because that's how I see it. That's how I feel. You guys are taking away the spotlights for Funimation. You are creating even more fan base unnecessarily. We have Ocean fan base, Funimation fan base, Z Kai fan base, and Japanese version fan base. Do we even need more fan base? It just creates more headache arguments, which is obviously not needed. The priority we should be focusing on right now is Funimation, since we are living in America and that's where the official dubbing company is.

Different fan bases are not self-exclusionary. You don't have to view them as sides in a war. I'm a fan of both Dragon Ball Kai, Japanese Z and DBZ Abridged. Hell, I even like Funimation's dub of the original Dragon Ball show. I'll focus on whatever interpretation of the series that I care about at any given time.

[Herms]

I said it because that's how I see it. That's how I feel. You guys are taking away the spotlights for Funimation. You are creating even more fan base unnecessarily. We have Ocean fan base, Funimation fan base, Z Kai fan base, and Japanese version fan base. Do we even need more fan base? It just creates more headache arguments, which is obviously not needed. The priority we should be focusing on right now is Funimation, since we are living in America and that's where the official dubbing company is.

While there are many, many questionable assumptions packed in here, I'd just like to point out that a large portion of Kanzenshuu forum-goers live outside the US. You need to think things through more before tossing words like "we" around.

Anyway, if some people prefer a fan dub to an official dub, then that's their right, and frankly it probably says more about the official dub than anything else.

[Big Momma]

I love Masako in abridged, but as good as he is in that, I still can't understand how people think he'd make a better "Serious" Goku than Schemmel. I've seen him do a more serious take on it in Malik's (Awesome) project, "Dragon Ball: New Age". And...it definitely wasn't bad. But it just didn't cut it for me, IMO.


In regards to Gaffer's comments on Goku being OOC with hating that he needed help for SSG...I kind of agree. Though I never really thought much of it until he said something. You can say that a Genki Dama is a one-time thing...but SSG is kind of like that, too. And when Goku forms a Genki Dama, he's specifically asking for the energy of everyone else.

I dunno...I guess I see it both ways, haha. It feels in-character for him to feel the way he did, but it also makes sense when someone says it's out of characters.


I realized I pretty much added nothing to the conversation, but eh well.

[KaiserNeko]

I want to point out that the Genki Dama has ALWAYS BEEN a last resort for Goku. He'd never let the planet die instead of not using it.

Here, though, it's not just the help of other people, giving him the necessary power to his attack, but the necessary power to stand toe to toe against his opponent. Becoming stronger and reaching new heights is a huge thing to Goku; the most fun he ever has is putting his skills, his abilities, his strength to the test. Here, he's been given the ability to fight at a level he's never been able to, against the most powerful opponent ever presented, but it's not his power. It's more personal, because the greatest joy in his life has been cheapened by this powerup. Furthermore, you never see anyone ask him, "Do you feel like your victory was cheapened because you had to use the Genki Dama, and thus, everyone else's energy?" Because the truth is, he probably does feel like it's cheapened by that, if only a little. It's a desperation move, essentially. In this case, Beerus flat out notes that Son is visibly uncomfortable with the scenario; to which Son can't deny.

[Kid Buu]

Goku has cheated against every big bad, the only exception is Ma Junior, since that was a tournament match.

Well, also the Red Ribbon Army, but they are chumps anyway.

[KaiserNeko]

Goku has cheated against every big bad, the only exception is Ma Junior, since that was a tournament match.

Well, also the Red Ribbon Army, but they are chumps anyway.

Doesn't change my point about Goku's character and why this would upset him. Goku's optimal scenario is a fight where it's just one on one, no handicaps. If the Earth hadn't been on the line, I doubt Son would ever have accepted the powerup, in the movie or the series. Fighting and winning on his own strength and skill is the most important thing to him; those times where he's had to "cheat" have always been to save someone/something. USUALLY it's the WORLD.

[Kid Buu]

Eh I don't think Goku gives a shit if the Earth is in danger; Master Roshi even makes a similar comment about that at the 23rd Budokai.

[nhienphan2808]

I don't see his irritation itself as out of character. Fighting one on one is always his DAO since the beginning. And since when did Goku give a damn about The Earth and its people until it's one sec from being destroyed? he's always a childlike selfish jerk with a heart of gold like that.

The only thing that i find different about his attitude compared to, say Frieza and Cell Arc Goku, is he complains a little TOO much and took too much time being irritated. And Beerus' lines about pride. Perhaps that's what made it so strange to some. Now lets say he was right, then this irritation came from ego/pride and not that childlike, carefree, pride-free enjoyment that was always constant in Goku character, that's why he sulked THAT much about it.
But then again it's in character, with character development of course. In the second half of Buu Arc he straight up pushing Vegeta away and wanted to get the glory for just himself. And then showed irritation that Buu slept when he was showing off SSJ3. I have this post about his strange attitudes in the later Buu Arc here : http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=27546

You may check it out and agree, you may not, but given that all the while Goku was fighting, Vegeta went and said it right out that he was GLAD he was not the one being SSJG and fighting Beerus, and the convo about Vegeta and pride, i can see this one scene in a new post Battle Of Gods movie right now :

*SSJG Vegeta vs the Big boss (some God of something)*

Big boss : You look sastified that you have the power of your friends in you.
V: Hn. Can't say i'm happy bust must protect mah waifu and it's nice being with those people and the Earth.
BB : I've never seen a Saiyan so good-hearted and sentimental.
V : nah i'm evil. Kakarot is much more kind and gentle.

The weirdest, attached, romantic Saiyan according to Akira Toriyama, people Meanwhile Goku is the typical Saiyan

[Vegard Aune]

Eh I don't think Goku gives a shit if the Earth is in danger; Master Roshi even makes a similar comment about that at the 23rd Budokai.

He expressed concern for the safety of the world and the universe both in the fights against Vegeta and Freeza. And for the record this is not a dub-thing, nor an anime-only thing, I specifically remember seeing him say stuff along the lines of "I have to defeat him, or the world/universe is doomed!" in the original manga.

[JamesOwnz]

I don't see his irritation itself as out of character. Fighting one on one is always his DAO since the beginning. And since when did Goku give a damn about The Earth and its people until it's one sec from being destroyed? he's always a childlike selfish jerk with a heart of gold like that.

The only thing that i find different about his attitude compared to, say Freeza and Cell Arc Goku, is he complains a little TOO much and took too much time being irritated. And Beerus' lines about pride. Perhaps that's what made it so strange to some. Now lets say he was right, then this irritation came from ego/pride and not that childlike, carefree, pride-free enjoyment that was always constant in Goku character, that's why he sulked THAT much about it.
But then again it's in character, with character development of course. In the second half of Buu Arc he straight up pushing Vegeta away and wanted to get the glory for just himself. And then showed irritation that Buu slept when he was showing off SSJ3. I have this post about his strange attitudes in the later Buu Arc here : http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=27546

You may check it out and agree, you may not, but given that all the while Goku was fighting, Vegeta went and said it right out that he was GLAD he was not the one being SSJG and fighting Beerus, and the convo about Vegeta and pride, i can see this one scene in a new post Battle Of Gods movie right now :

*SSJG Vegeta vs the Big boss (some God of something)*

Big boss : You look sastified that you have the power of your friends in you.
V: Hn. Can't say i'm happy bust must protect mah waifu and it's nice being with those people and the Earth.
BB : I've never seen a Saiyan so good-hearted and sentimental.
V : nah i'm evil. Kakarot is much more kind and gentle.

The weirdest, attached, romantic Saiyan according to Akira Toriyama, people Meanwhile Goku is the typical Saiyan

I don't remember this line..

[nhienphan2808]

It's in the Director's Cut version.

[Fizzer]

Remember that Goku also had a different attitude towards this sort of thing AFTER fusing with Vegeta. He came around to Vegeta's idea that it didn't mean anything if they didn't fight alone, and crushed the Potara.

[nhienphan2808]

When he said he was mad cause it's others' power, i see it as the Goku of old times, the one who would complain but would just be like "Oh..k. But i'll see what i can do." But this went on for several minutes and he said " I can't get familiar with this thing, i'm so mad" and i have the impression that irritation is NOT just one from loss of enjoyment (like his old ones) but also from (Vegeta's) ego and pride. And Beerus spoke it out loud for me.

It's not OOC if you look at him in Buu Arc after Potara. It's seems he took a bit ego out of Vegeta and make it his own since Potara.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Heh. Do people actually watch DBZA? Fair Enough. I personally don't find them funny at all. And it's so irritating to often see silly DBZA lines in the comments section in actual DBZ videos.

[Doctor.]

Heh. Do people actually watch DBZA? Fair Enough. I personally don't find them funny at all. And it's so irritating to often see silly DBZA lines in the comments section in actual DBZ videos.

First you ask if people "actually" watch DBZA, and then you go and reply to your own question by saying everyone in the comment section of DB videos use their lines. Why do I have a strange feeling you just posted this to spite TFS fans?