FUNimation's DBZ Movie 13 Release Discussion

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:46 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:
I had an old DVD copy of DBZ Movie 13, and their's nothing illigal about it here becuase DBZ isn't licenced in my country
Aren't you in the UK? Iam pretty sure DragonBall is licenced there.

Nope Ocean lost it's licence once they aired DBZ episode 276, no company owns DBZ here from this day forward... thats why we get Japanese Subbed DBZ games releaced by Atari on our game consols.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:20 pm

I picked up the DVD at last at Circuit City for 12 bucks. I have already engaged in the pleasurable experience of viewing the Japanese version, so now I'm ready to torture myself needlessly and rate the Dub. I'll be typing this post over the course of my viewing, saying everything that comes to mind.

First, I looked at the Character Profiles. Even those were riddled with stupid humor and misinformations that upset me slightly. It's like the person who typed them had never seen DBZ before, and had only seen the DUB of this movie when he/she typed it.

Onward to the movie! (Just to save a few complaints, I'll not have the Jp subs on so that I have to base line contortions on memory).

- The Title Screen and music is way overdone...cheesy as a dubbed Godzilla flick.

- The Robbers' voice is utterly lacking in any form of expression.

- They randomly added Gohan saying "My turn..." for no reason...

- Uhgh.....ghh.... @ Videl's first line, "You boys should really learn to wear your seatbelts!"

No, you know what. Screw this. I've found more flaws in the first minute than I thought I could possibly imagine. Screw this dub.

BoxerGloves · Post by **BoxerGloves** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:13 am

First, I looked at the Character Profiles. Even those were riddled with stupid humor and misinformations that upset me slightly.

Well, that's the kind of "quality" product that we've all come to expect from FUNimation, in regards to DBZ DVDs. While the total absense of good extas may be explained by the fact that Toei simply chooses not to provide them to FUNi, it's still not an excuse to exclude something worthwhile to be called a "supplemental material." Hell, even the Pionner Entertainment DVDs of the first three DBZ movies had pretty cool bonus material such as character profiles (which were accompanied by a clip from the movie, depicting the character of your choice in action), fun quizes, and a video library. Aside from that, the Pioneer release of Dead Zone DVD had several deleted scenes (in Japanese language only w/subs) from the TV show, that were removed by FUNi/Saban, including the one where Gohan befriends a robot. Considering the fact that this "lost episode" wasn't released until recently by FUNi on their so-called "Ultimate Uncut Special Edition" DVDs, that was pretty damn nice of Pioneer to do for us, fans. My praises go off to Pioneer for their efforts.

On the other hand, what the hell did we ever got from the FUNimation's DVDs? Commercial trailers passed off as extras? Character profiles, which have a ugly screenshot of characters standing still like statues, and topped off with a brief(and very poorly written) biography? Yeah, that's some respect and integrity that FUNimation has towards the product they make. Blech.

No, you know what. Screw this. I've found more flaws in the first minute than I thought I could possibly imagine. Screw this dub.

Good for you. There's no need to subject yourself to this B.S. That's the reason why I try to avoid watching the FUNi dub like a plague.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:40 am

My impression of Funimation's movie 13...Is a little hit and miss. Not terrible, but a few flaws prevents me from enjoying the whole experience.

Can't complain with the translation as usual, except that the subtitles go by way too fast, sometimes It flashed so quickly I had no idea what the characters had said. With as long as Funimation's been sitting on this movie, I really expected better.

The dub music was like a train-wreck; you didn't want to keep listening, but you couldn't stop (or something to that effect.) The only track I really liked was the "remix" of the dub opening theme they played while looking for the Dragon Balls. But other than that, the music was very generic and forgettable, and worse it was used improperly and messed up the flow of the story. It was like watching the Freeza saga all over again.

The "revisioning" of the story was actually not bad at all; I liked the idea of giving Hoi's clan of Warlocks an actual backstory and purpose beyond seemingly random monster summoning and killing things. I'll aplaud the writers for atleast making that and the story of Tapion's battle more interesting.

On the other hand, Funimation can't even keep their own dub straight. They already established Videl's super-hero title as "Saiya-Girl" years ago at the end of the Boo saga, and now they're calling her Saiya-Woman? And it's been said before, but having Goku scream out "DRAGOOOON FIIIIIREEEEE~!" when they know full damn well that's not the right name just annoys me to no end.

That's all for the disc, now let's move on to the actual movie. I was...somewhat dissapointed with the way this one unfolded. Goku seems to have stepped back as the central hero of the story, but with nobody stepping forward to fill his place. The characters were all made incredibly weak, and knocked out of battle too quickly just to make room for the next fighter.

Tapion was an interesting character by himself, he reminded me a lot of future Trunks. Which is ironic, because they're both mary-sues. The entire movie revolves around him, and when he's not on-screen, every other character is always talking about him. Goku trusts him right away, the normally cool and reserved Trunks is gushing all over him, and the tough-as-nails Videl is pratically drooling over him. Ugh. I hate it when they take an existing character way out of character just to make a new one look better.

But more annoying than that, the movie ends with too many loose-ends. If Tapion's music box was impossible for Hoi to open, how did he open his brother Minosha's? If Tapion's sword can cut through the evolved Hildegarn's hide, why did it break on #18's arm? And why did the alter infront of Hildegarn's totem show two ocarina's and only one sword, when both of them had matching swords? And where the hell did Bulma get an exact copy of Trunks' time capsule when he took both of them into the future with him?

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:58 am

And where the hell did Bulma get an exact copy of Trunks' time capsule when he took both of them into the future with him?

Knowing Bulma, she probably figured out how to make one by then =D
Besides, it's a movie.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:15 am

I wonder if they left the sound effects intact but not the music?

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:19 am

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm assuming they will. They've left the sound effects in the other movies, haven't they?

And besides, what would they replace 'em with?

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:48 am

Eclipse wrote:I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm assuming they will. They've left the sound effects in the other movies, haven't they?

And besides, what would they replace 'em with?

Your right, atleast we can count on Funimation leaving the sound efffects in their movies... well that is unless they put heavy metal music over the top of it

lost in thought · Post by **lost in thought** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:13 am

BoxerGloves wrote:Well, that's the kind of "quality" product that we've all come to expect from FUNimation, in regards to DBZ DVDs. While the total absense of good extas may be explained by the fact that Toei simply chooses not to provide them to FUNi, it's still not an excuse to exclude something worthwhile to be called a "supplemental material." Hell, even the Pionner Entertainment DVDs of the first three DBZ movies had pretty cool bonus material such as character profiles (which were accompanied by a clip from the movie, depicting the character of your choice in action), fun quizes, and a video library. Aside from that, the Pioneer release of Dead Zone DVD had several deleted scenes (in Japanese language only w/subs) from the TV show, that were removed by FUNi/Saban, including the one where Gohan befriends a robot. Considering the fact that this "lost episode" wasn't released until recently by FUNi on their so-called "Ultimate Uncut Special Edition" DVDs, that was pretty damn nice of Pioneer to do for us, fans. My praises go off to Pioneer for their efforts.

On the other hand, what the hell did we ever got from the FUNimation's DVDs? Commercial trailers passed off as extras? Character profiles, which have a ugly screenshot of characters standing still like statues, and topped off with a brief(and very poorly written) biography? Yeah, that's some respect and integrity that FUNimation has towards the product they make. Blech.

Why should any of us care about extras or supplemental material, when it would be presented in Funimation's version of the series? And why does it matter if there are extras or not? Do you really, really want to see a repeat of Goku Vs. Vegeta?!

As well, why would extras, especially ones without point or merit, be of any use on a DVD from the series, least of which one of the movies? Hell, if you want to get technical the fact that we have Japanese audio/subs on the DVDs at all could be considered an extra, since Funimation is in no way, shape or form obligated to put them there.

Further, so extras... define funimations respect for the series? Granted they still don't have the greatest track record, but lets be honest here, Funi's got enough respect for the series, if they're putting the second audio, and subs on it. There just is no reason to whine about a lack of extras when most anime dvds don't have them, and any extras that a company would come up with to add would be ridiculously lame, unless they got some special stuff from the original studio that made the series.

Let's not evolve the 1998 scphiel about crappy dubbing into a crappy bonuses deal. I would rather not walk back in time to that shit, or forward to an evolution of it.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:51 am

So did Funimation change any of the names of characters in their dub, compared to the sub version?

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:53 am

Slickmasterfunk wrote:
KinoFourpaws wrote:Really, though, from what I hear of the dub, it makes me wonder if it's worth supporting FUNimation with this purchase. I mean, hell, the Japanese version is awesome, but I'm reluctant to buy the FUNi DVD even if just for that, mostly because in a way I feel I'm supporting FUNi's work with the dubs, like I'm saying, "HEY! I love what you're doing to the series! Keep up the work!" when there are a few things I really WOULDN'T like them to continue, like replacing the music and such. I really don't mind FUNi as a whole, truthfully, but there are certain productions I'm not gonna want to get because of the way they handle them.
Well technically you don't have to worry about that since with this movie, Funimation has just about dubbed everything Dragon Ball related. I think all that's really left (if not done already) is a re-dub of Dragon Ball movie 1. I don't think we'll see it anytime soon since Funimation doesn't own the distributing rights to it.

That and the redubbing of movies 1-3, if they haven't done so already... but you're right, I complained about they way they did the dub a little too late...

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:16 pm

Well the Circuit City near me doesn't exactly stay with their little quasi-catchphrase of "just what I needed," so I had to go to Target and get the movie for $16. Outside of youtube's crap quality uploaded subs, I've only seen the movie one other time-- on FUNi's release. For the sake of comparing stuff, I watched it first with the dub and JP subs to see how much the writing changed.

Deus ex Machina wrote:The "revisioning" of the story was actually not bad at all;

Agreed. Without the backstory, Hoi and his clan just seemed a little one dimensional. Also, I guess it made sense to turn the priest into a wizard, since the sub has Tapion saying that the ocarinas and sword were given by God. And the little dub part about Tapion and his brother not knowing how to play the ocarinas at all sorts embellished on the idea of Tapion's fight with Hirudegarn being a "miracle." Also, the part with Gohan and Videl thinking Tapion was in cahoots with Hoi was pretty good. Another little thing the dub accented on was how much Tapion missed his little brother with some of his internal monologues.

Deus ex Machina wrote:On the other hand, Funimation can't even keep their own dub straight. They already established Videl's super-hero title as "Saiya-Girl" years ago at the end of the Boo saga, and now they're calling her Saiya-Woman? And it's been said before, but having Goku scream out "DRAGOOOON FIIIIIREEEEE~!" when they know full damn well that's not the right name just annoys me to no end.

Ah yes, the downside of the script re-writes

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Deus ex Machina wrote:But more annoying than that, the movie ends with too many loose-ends.

Yeah, I thought the sub actually made it clearer that Tapion was going back in time to save his planet from destruction. The dub just kinda had Bulma go "okay, here's a time machine

."

EDIT: Sorry, forgot some other stuff. I liked how the dub integrated its opening theme into the background music at the beginning, since the movie didn't have an opener. And the little black splotches that pop out when Trunks is talking to Tapion before the two go inside to play... augh. As for the dub music, it looks like FUNi's taking yet another step away from the hard rock and another step towards the generic action movie music as they did with Fusion Reborn.

And just in case this wasn't mentioned earlier: Look closely: When Trunks and Tapion play with Trunks' toys, you can see that the green toy is actually one of the (as I like to call them) butt-headed space aliens from Toriyama's previous work Dr. Slump.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:44 pm

In the preview it sounded like Funimation pronounced him as Tapeion

Slickmasterfunk · Post by **Slickmasterfunk** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:21 pm

KinoFourpaws wrote:
Slickmasterfunk wrote:
KinoFourpaws wrote:Really, though, from what I hear of the dub, it makes me wonder if it's worth supporting FUNimation with this purchase. I mean, hell, the Japanese version is awesome, but I'm reluctant to buy the FUNi DVD even if just for that, mostly because in a way I feel I'm supporting FUNi's work with the dubs, like I'm saying, "HEY! I love what you're doing to the series! Keep up the work!" when there are a few things I really WOULDN'T like them to continue, like replacing the music and such. I really don't mind FUNi as a whole, truthfully, but there are certain productions I'm not gonna want to get because of the way they handle them.
Well technically you don't have to worry about that since with this movie, Funimation has just about dubbed everything Dragon Ball related. I think all that's really left (if not done already) is a re-dub of Dragon Ball movie 1. I don't think we'll see it anytime soon since Funimation doesn't own the distributing rights to it.
That and the redubbing of movies 1-3, if they haven't done so already... but you're right, I complained about they way they did the dub a little too late...

If you mean DBZ movies 1-3, movie 1 has already been released and all three will be released together as a boxset in November. If you Mean Dragon Ball movies 1-3, they still need to redo movie 1 but 2 and 3 were already dubbed in house by Funimation and released.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:39 pm

So Goku shouted "Dragon Fire" instead of "Dragon Fist"? What made Funimation make an error on that... when they named it correctly in the DBGT episodes?

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:14 pm

Gokuden553 wrote:What made Funimation make an error on that... when they named it correctly in the DBGT episodes?

Probably the fault of writers who don't take the time to look at past dubbed movies/episodes, so they at least get the dub names right.

There's like at least 6 people who have worked on the various scripts for DB-DBZ-DBGT dubs, right?

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:22 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote:
Gokuden553 wrote:What made Funimation make an error on that... when they named it correctly in the DBGT episodes?
Probably the fault of writers who don't take the time to look at past dubbed movies/episodes, so they at least get the dub names right.

There's like at least 6 people who have worked on the various scripts for DB-DBZ-DBGT dubs, right?

But still it's strange how Funimation forgot what the attack name was called?

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:25 pm

I wish they kept it as "dragon fist". I really like the way Sean Schemmel delivered it in Budokai 3. There really wasn't any logic to changing it to "dragon fire".

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:50 pm

GI_Judd2287 wrote:I wish they kept it as "dragon fist". I really like the way Sean Schemmel delivered it in Budokai 3. There really wasn't any logic to changing it to "dragon fire".

I know, it was a big letdown on Funimations side.

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:02 am

Slickmasterfunk wrote:If you mean DBZ movies 1-3, movie 1 has already been released and all three will be released together as a boxset in November. If you Mean Dragon Ball movies 1-3, they still need to redo movie 1 but 2 and 3 were already dubbed in house by Funimation and released.

Oioioi... this proves my lack of knowledge concerning recent events. D:

I meant DBZ movies 1-3, but obviously now they've just got two, and apparently they're already dubbing or have finished the dubbing Movie 3. Which reminds me... I hope they did a better job with Turles's voice than they did with Tapion's (I've concluded now that Tapion didn't sound all that bad, but he really is a little too gruff/hoarse-sounding)... >___>;

EDIT: Uh... wow... the forum changed my spelling of Turles's name... how weird... o____O;;

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