Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[TobyS]

Surely Berus would kill the villain, go back to sleep, and Whis would tell the vargas neither of them were interested.

Presumably if you know what the concept of multiverses is it follows there are just some universes where Berus doesn't exist.

[Doctor.]

Surely Berus would kill the villain, go back to sleep, and Whis would tell the vargas neither of them were interested.

Presumably if you know what the concept of multiverses is it follows there are just some universes where Berus doesn't exist.

Beerus is always interested in fighting strong opponents, though.

But I highly doubt they included BoG in their canon.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I agree that DBM is one of the best DB fan-mangas, but even if this is a popular opinion, it doesn't make it a fact. For some, it may be the less shitty fan-manga out of the other fan-mangas.

And again, the other fan-mangas aren't as popular as DBM is, and they don't get updated nearly as frequently:

• Toyble's DBAF is barely updated nowadays.
• Youngjijii's DBAF isn't even translated into English anymore, and most people hate it because there is too much tracing going on, so there is not much interest.
• Malik's DBNA is getting good reception because it's actually good.
• Sebliet's DBEX was hated because of tracing, so much that the thread about it died, even though it gets updated frequently now.

DBM on the other hand is popular, and we have 3 pages per-week to discuss.

Personally, I prefer the other fan-mangas over DBM, because they feel more like a continuation of Dragon Ball. I don't care about tracing, the art is in them is good enough, and the plot is interesting enough for me. They are not masterpieces, but I like them.

[rereboy]

I agree that DBM is one of the best DB fan-mangas, but even if this is a popular opinion, it doesn't make it a fact. For some, it may be the less shitty fan-manga out of the other fan-mangas.

Obviously, if one considers other fan mangas to be much superior to DBM and DBM to be not at all one of the best, then negative comments and a negative stance are not at all illogical for that person. But if the majority doesn't think so, than the negative stance of most of the comments is illogical.

And the stance of "less shitty" fan manga tells me that you are comparing it to professional works, otherwise you wouldn't have anything good to compare it to. That comparison is illogical and unfair because, for obvious reasons, a fan made work done by non professionals can't compare to a professional work. Things need to be evaluated in their OWN class. Any comment that forgets is, like stated, unfair and illogical.

[RandomGuy96]

Shouldn't Cold be dead? He has a huge hole in his chest, and we all remember what happened last time someone put a hole in his chest.

[KaiserNeko]

Shouldn't Cold be dead? He has a huge hole in his chest, and we all remember what happened last time someone put a hole in his chest.

That's not a hole, it's just his normal glossy abdomen detail and there's some smoke coming from him. I thought it was a hole the first time I looked at it as well, though.

[RandomGuy96]

Shouldn't Cold be dead? He has a huge hole in his chest, and we all remember what happened last time someone put a hole in his chest.

That's not a hole, it's just his normal glossy abdomen detail and there's some smoke coming from him. I thought it was a hole the first time I looked at it as well, though.

Looking closer, yeah, it appears you're right. It's just his chest "crystal" made to look like a hole.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Obviously, if one considers other fan mangas to be much superior to DBM and DBM to be not at all one of the best, then negative comments and a negative stance are not at all illogical for that person. But if the majority doesn't think so, than the negative stance of most of the comments is illogical.

Which would mean that those with negative comments actually don't like it.

And the stance of "less shitty" fan manga tells me that you are comparing it to professional works, otherwise you wouldn't have anything good to compare it to. That comparison is illogical and unfair because, for obvious reasons, a fan made work done by non professionals can't compare to a professional work. Things need to be evaluated in their OWN class. Any comment that forgets is, like stated, unfair and illogical.

Where did I ever mention professional works? I'm comparing it to fan manga.

[ImmaDeker]

For some, it may be the less shitty fan-manga out of the other fan-mangas.

That's really generous.

Granted, I haven't read this comic since I was eighteen and found myself shocked to see that this actually still exists, but still.

[rereboy]

Obviously, if one considers other fan mangas to be much superior to DBM and DBM to be not at all one of the best, then negative comments and a negative stance are not at all illogical for that person. But if the majority doesn't think so, than the negative stance of most of the comments is illogical.

Which would mean that those with negative comments actually don't like it.

That's just an erroneous leap in assumption. If that was true, considering that it seems to have much more negative comments than positive, there simply wouldn't be any reason for it to be one of the most popular DB fan mangas.

It seems rather obvious that is simply the proportion of negative comments and attitude that DBM gets that is inconsistent and illogical.

Where did I ever mention professional works? I'm comparing it to fan manga.

By saying "less-shitty". Something can only be "less-shitty" if you have something much better to compare it to in your mind. In other words, you are saying that DBM is great inside its category but its only the "less-shitty" one because you have seen far better work before in your life. Which would be mainly professional work.

If you had never seen anything better than DBM in your life you would find it the best you have ever seen. But since you have seen much more than DBM in your life, including a great number of professional works of all kinds, DBM is no longer that great, its only one of the "less-shitty" of its category.

And with that we arrive at what I was saying. Its illogical and unfair to evaluate something by comparing it to something clearly outside its category. Its fine to do so when choosing our entertainment and what we prefer, but doing it while evaluating it and discussing its merits? That's when we start to compare the incomparable and start to be unfair and illogical.

[Kamiccolo9]

Obviously, if one considers other fan mangas to be much superior to DBM and DBM to be not at all one of the best, then negative comments and a negative stance are not at all illogical for that person. But if the majority doesn't think so, than the negative stance of most of the comments is illogical.

Which would mean that those with negative comments actually don't like it.

That's just an erroneous leap in assumption. If that was true, considering that it seems to have much more negative comments than positive, there simply wouldn't be any reason for it to be one of the most popular DB fan mangas.

It seems rather obvious that is simply the proportion of negative comments and attitude that DBM gets that is inconsistent and illogical.

Or that people are more likely to post negative opinions than positive ones.

[rereboy]

Or that people are more likely to post negative opinions than positive ones.

Its true that it can be just a case of a certain type of people being more vocal, yes. But the inconsistency between DBM and the other fan mangas regarding the proportion of vocal negative stances remains, so its still illogical or at least not very logical.

[Kamiccolo9]

Or that people are more likely to post negative opinions than positive ones.

Its true that it can be just a case of a certain type of people being more vocal, yes. But the inconsistency between DBM and the other fan mangas regarding the proportion of vocal negative stances remains, so its still illogical or at least not very logical.

I would say that it's a combination of a bunch of different factors. Negative people being more vocal, DBM being more popular, and therefore attracting more negative opinions due to being more in the spotlight.

Also, I've noticed, there were way more positive posts at the beginning of this thread. It could be that as DBM became more popular, and the amount of criticism increased, that those who complimented it more often simply stopped due to negative criticism being directed at them as well, or just to avoid a generally negative atmosphere.

[Skar]

Personally, I prefer the other fan-mangas over DBM, because they feel more like a continuation of Dragon Ball.

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I don't know man. One of the reasons why I dislike AF-style stories is because they don't feel like a continuation of Dragonball to me. At least not something I would ever expect from Toriyama. Maybe Toei since GT seemed to have inspired the AF formula. One thing that really bothers me is that Buu was the biggest threat the universe had ever faced in over 5 million and the only SSJ3 tier threat in that time yet in these stories shortly after his defeat countless villains start showing up stronger than him one after another. Considering what Toriyama recently said about Buu being some kind of evil incarnate existing since the beginning of time I really doubt he'd have him surpassed by a variation of a villain we've seen before like another android or member of Frieza's family. It would have to a rare one of a kind god-like foe which is what we get with Beerus. It gets even harder if they try to incorporate Battle of Gods. If Beerus was the one who sealed Old Kai then that would make him at least 75 million years old correct? We know the strongest opponent he ever met was Whis and second strongest was SSJ God Goku who he only used 70% against. Pretty much in over 75 million years Beerus never encountered an opponent that could challenge him other than Whis yet in some of these stories villains that surpass him start showing up one after another.

[ImmaDeker]

Maybe Toei since GT seemed to have inspired the AF formula. One thing that really bothers me is that Buu was the biggest threat the universe had ever faced in over 5 million and the only SSJ3 tier threat in that time yet in these stories shortly after his defeat countless villains start showing up stronger than him one after another.

If an asshole with hand me down technology can make multiple robots more powerful than the strongest galactic conqueror in the universe, there can be people out in space stronger than Buu.

Most Dragonball fan-manga are fucking stupid, but that's not one of the reasons.

[Skar]

If an asshole with hand me down technology can make multiple robots more powerful than the strongest galactic conqueror in the universe, there can be people out in space stronger than Buu.

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It didn't make much sense that a scientist from Earth could create cyborg humans stronger than a cyborg alien who was originally millions of times stronger than those humans. A bad idea in canon isn't really a good excuse to use an even worse idea in a fanfic. We learn in the Buu saga that SSJ3 level energy could be sensed all the way to Other World so if a number of random aliens were stronger than Buu then they should have been sensed from Earth. It doesn't seem very plausible that all these super powerful aliens were just suppressing their power all this time and then decided to attack the Earth one after another. Since Buu was the biggest threat in five million years there would have to be a really good reason why all these villains stronger than him would suppress their power for so long and all of a sudden attack now. Plus Buu would be a pretty difficult villain to top. He has infinite stamina, regeneration, immortality, probably the most powerful magic in the universe, can learn any ability just by seeing it, can absorb anyone he wants, etc. I can't really see a random alien outdoing him even if we accept that they've been suppressing their power for many years.

[ImmaDeker]

It didn't make much sense that a scientist from Earth could create cyborg humans stronger than a cyborg alien who was originally millions of times stronger than those humans. A bad idea in canon isn't really a good excuse to use an even worse idea in a fanfic.

I don't really like the Cell arc, but it's no worse an idea than anything else.

My point is just the notion is a consistent one.

We learn in the Buu saga that SSJ3 level energy could be sensed all the way to Other World so if a number of random aliens were stronger than Buu then they should have been sensed from Earth. It doesn't seem very plausible that all these super powerful aliens were just suppressing their power all this time and then decided to attack the Earth one after another. Since Buu was the biggest threat in five million years there would have to be a really good reason why all these villains stronger than him would suppress their power for so long and all of a sudden attack now. Plus Buu would be a pretty difficult villain to top. He has infinite stamina, regeneration, immortality, probably the most powerful magic in the universe, can learn any ability just by seeing it, can absorb anyone he wants, etc. I can't really see a random alien outdoing him even if we accept that they've been suppressing their power for many years.

By the same token?

"Freeza is a galactic conqueror. I don't see how any villain could surpass him."
"Cell is a combination of all the protagonists, who very consistently, especially Goku, rise to be able to defeat any foe. I don't see how any villain could surpass him."

[Saiga]

Or that people are more likely to post negative opinions than positive ones.

Its true that it can be just a case of a certain type of people being more vocal, yes. But the inconsistency between DBM and the other fan mangas regarding the proportion of vocal negative stances remains, so its still illogical or at least not very logical.

What did you think of my idea then, that most fanmanga put people off to begin with and so don't attract people who would criticize it? Because I think that'd be a big factor, AF-esque fics in general have a reputation for being pretty poor.

[rereboy]

What did you think of my idea then, that most fanmanga put people off to begin with and so don't attract people who would criticize it? Because I think that'd be a big factor, AF-esque fics in general have a reputation for being pretty poor.

Its possible but we have no way to really know if that's the reason for the inconsistency.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

By saying "less-shitty". Something can only be "less-shitty" if you have something much better to compare it to in your mind. In other words, you are saying that DBM is great inside its category but its only the "less-shitty" one because you have seen far better work before in your life. Which would be mainly professional work.

If you had never seen anything better than DBM in your life you would find it the best you have ever seen. But since you have seen much more than DBM in your life, including a great number of professional works of all kinds, DBM is no longer that great, its only one of the "less-shitty" of its category.

And with that we arrive at what I was saying. Its illogical and unfair to evaluate something by comparing it to something clearly outside its category. Its fine to do so when choosing our entertainment and what we prefer, but doing it while evaluating it and discussing its merits? That's when we start to compare the incomparable and start to be unfair and illogical.

I still don't understand your logic. Dragon Ball Multiverse isn't the only DB fan-manga around, there are the AF fan-mangas, DBNA, and many other. Personally, I'm comparing it with the ones I'm interested, which are the only ones I've read: Dragon Ball AF, Dragon Ball - After the Future, Dragon Ball - New Age, and Dragon Ball EX. And none of these are professional works.

I don't know man. One of the reasons why I dislike AF-style stories is because they don't feel like a continuation of Dragonball to me.

They don't feel like something from Toriyama, they also don't feel like something from Toei, but they have a DB feeling in them. It's what happens all the time: bad guy comes, and every hero comes one after another with new or old power-ups trying to stop them, but eventually failing even if they seem to have a chance, until Goku comes to save the day, or someone else. DBM on the other hand is an endless tournament that doesn't feel like any of the Tenkaichi Budokai, with weird dialog, and different art styles in its specials.