Shonen Jump and the Local News

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:14 pm

.. Er.. *cough* I buy my SJs at the store.

Lemme alone. *tosses Sailor Uranus plushies at anyone who snickers*

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:25 pm

Alright, a sailor Uranus plushie! I'm going to put this to good use and bait some fangirls.

There's too many Amys. It makes me want to kill all Amys... oh, except you, Jersey-sama.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:44 pm

Of course Zacko. That's actually not a bad idea. That way I'd be the only Amy in the whole world! Hahahahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahaaaa!

DO IT ZACKO! And you have to kill all the ones with the alternate spellings like "Ami" and "Amie" too! Use the Uranus plushie to bait any fangirls with the name. You can't use my Chopper or Vash or Naruto plushie though. Just ones from Sailor Moon, Chobits, Di Gi Charat, CCS, and Fushigi Yugi, they have the best fangirl attracting power.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:33 pm

Surely killing them with a Sailor Mercury plushie would be super-amazing-ironic?

Mattias · Post by **Mattias** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:40 pm

God. I don't mean to sound arrogant, but the generation before us seems to be considerably stupider than our generation.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:47 pm

The generation after us will think exactly the same thing.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:22 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:Of course Zacko. That's actually not a bad idea. That way I'd be the only Amy in the whole world! Hahahahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahaaaa! DO IT ZACKO! And you have to kill all the ones with the alternate spellings like "Ami" and "Amie" too! Use the Uranus plushie to bait any fangirls with the name. You can't use my Chopper or Vash or Naruto plushie though. Just ones from Sailor Moon, Chobits, Di Gi Charat, CCS, and Fushigi Yugi, they have the best fangirl attracting power.

Actually, Jersey-sama, Ami, atleast in the way I'm used to seeing it *cough*SailorMoon*cough*, is pronounced "Ah-mee". Not necessarily the same thing, mon ami.

EDIT: BTW, Liam, you've gained a new fan. I've been linking a friend, the Moderately Evil Toaster from Beyond the Stars, to some topics and she's taken a liking to you. <_<

I'm talking to her right now, and she wants to make a point... Quoted more or less word-for-word below (I'm talking to her over I'm and just took off her SN and formatted it into a paragraph and statement):

"Technically, anime is only Japanese cartoons. It doesn't even have to be in the generally accepted anime style; it's just a general term for Japanese animation. So anything American -- even Teen Titans, which is done almost entirely in an anime style -- can't really be considered anime. But since anime, like the words 'yaoi' and 'otaku', has come to mean something totally different than its original meaning (well, maybe not yaoi, since there are still a few intelligent people out there who don't automatically assume love and sex are the same thing ¬¬ *bitter sneer*), it doesn't really matter. I would consider Teen Titans an American anime, after all. Heaven knows there's a lot of anime that's worse.So hey *shrugs*

o_o I like cheese."

She'd also like to say she's a st00pid dork who often has no clue what the bugger she's talking about.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:25 am

I can see her point. I would say that Teen Titans is done in an "anime style", but I wouldn't call it out and out anime. She is right though, in that "anime-style" has pretty much come to mean "THEY HAVE BIG EYES!"

But...er...was that in response to something I said? Or was she just really eager to comment on Tean Titans?

(I did actually know too that Japanese Mercury's name of "Ami" is pronounced differently to the US "Amy". I wasn't sure though if that was just an accent thing. If the name name "Amy" was said in the Japanese version, would it be distinctly different? And, in the same vain, the US version of the name could be spelt "Ami" by very stupid people.)

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:04 am

PsyLiam wrote:I can see her point. I would say that Teen Titans is done in an "anime style", but I wouldn't call it out and out anime. She is right though, in that "anime-style" has pretty much come to mean "THEY HAVE BIG EYES!"

But...er...was that in response to something I said? Or was she just really eager to comment on Tean Titans?

(I did actually know too that Japanese Mercury's name of "Ami" is pronounced differently to the US "Amy". I wasn't sure though if that was just an accent thing. If the name name "Amy" was said in the Japanese version, would it be distinctly different? And, in the same vain, the US version of the name could be spelt "Ami" by very stupid people.)

I'm not sure what started her on the rant. It might've been because of what Jersey saw at that bookstore. And "Amy" would probably be said like "Eh-mee". They got the "Ami" part from the French word for friend. That exaplains my not-so-clever "mon ami" joke.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:30 am

A guy who usually knows what he's talking about told me that Teen Titans was actually some japanese take on our cartoons. If that actually is the case, you should use Totally Spies, or something.

...Hey, don't blame me if that's wrong...

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:12 pm

Zackarotto wrote:A guy who usually knows what he's talking about told me that Teen Titans was actually some japanese take on our cartoons. If that actually is the case, you should use Totally Spies, or something.

...Hey, don't blame me if that's wrong...

*blink* Tell your friend Teen Titan's American-made. I think it's trying to ride off the anime wave, considering the Japanese opening song.

Admittedly, it kinda fooled me at first too.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:31 pm

Not me. The animation may use some anime styles and "catchprases" (for want of a better word), but the overall feel, with the frames per second, lip-synching, and more is very American. Although it is definitely the most unique out of all the DC Animated Universe shows.

Strange though how anime shows always get their theme tunes changed to sound more American, while an American show has a theme tune done by a j-pop band (and is occasionally sung in Japanese).

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:33 pm

Everything Teen Titans related is American except the cartoon. The cartoon was an anime co-created by DC. The script is done in North America but the animation isn't. As for the singing, I believe those are China babies trying to advertise themselves as worth adopting.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:31 pm

The theme song is sung by PuffyAmiYumi, a female J-pop duo. And I disagree somewhat with your friend's opinion B-kun, if anime counted as just Japanese cartooons, even if they weren't in the anime style, then the vast majority of anime produced wouldn't count as anime. You see the majority of anime that's made has a budget and time constraints to meet, especially when it's a weekly series. Japanese animation studios, therefore farm out a lot of the secondary animation to studios in Korea, China, and other Asian countries. It really is just as much about the unique style I think. Don't forget, when Japanese animators first started out decades ago, people like Tezuka Osamu were heavily influenced by American animation like Disney. I think what we are seeing now with shows like Teen Titans is North American animation doing the same thing that Japan did then, just reversed. That's what culture does, different sides influence one another and things change and evolve. I'll be really interested to see what various animation will be like twenty years from now.

And my name pronounced in Japanese would be "Eh-mi", just for the record.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:49 pm

If the animation is done in Japan (and not, say, Korea, where lots of American cartoons are animated), then it's certainly done to a higher budget than most anime shows get. And I bet they record the dialogue before doing the animation, too.

Are the designs of the show done by Japanese artists? Or are they done by Bruce Timm et al?

Amy: Just because the cartoon is farmed out to foreign animators, it doesn't make it foreign. Otherwise lots of US cartoons would be Korean cartoons. Generally though, I'd say the location of the storyboarders is the most important part in determining the "nationality" of the animation. And I'd bet that most of the storyboarders for Japanese anime live in Japan.

So we have multiple definitions.

1/ Animated Japanese cartoons.
2/ Animated Manga.
3/ Animated shows with BIG EYES and SWEATDROPS.

Crazy. Oh, did PuffyAmiYumi also do that insert song in that episode with Mad...whatzizface? The British guy? You remember, the song was in Japanese.

Oh, the things you can get away with when you've got a decade of animation pedigree under your belt. Damn you, Bruce Timm.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:29 pm

Yes PuffyAmiYumi did the insert song too. I'm not really a big fan of theirs, tend to be too fluffy J-pop for my liking, they're okay though. I only tend to cringe upon hearing Morning Musume.

You took my point wrong Liam, I didn't mean that that made it foreign. Yes, of course it's still Japanese. I think that the "style" and "feel" is one of the most important aspects. And I don't mean the stereotypical "big eyes" and "coloured hair" stuff. It's deeper than that, a cultural touch to it. Similar to the way it's been explained that the reason anime characters will fall over when someone's said or done something shocking. They haven't really fallen over, although it appears that way. It's a method to visually illustrate extent their reaction. That's the way they look at handling a scene such as that. Their thought processes I guess. I can't explain it right, and I know I'm not making any sense, I wish I could word this better.

I just don't know if you can simply say "Anime is Japanese cartoons". Plus, only we tend to use that term. In Japan no one says "anime" they just refer to their stuff as "animation". *sigh* I just know I haven't made any sense!

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:48 pm

No, I get what you mean. It's sorta like the "..." thing. It's a visual indication (since it's written down) of a character reaction that doesn't have an equivalent over here. It's a cultural touch.

And do they call western animation just "animation", or does it have a different name?

(Y'know, it's interesting how a game like Legacy Of Goku II, which is American made, still used the "..." thing. It's a Japanese cultural touch they felt the need to include in an American game about a Japanese cartoon.)

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:08 pm

Oh wow! You get what I said! Great, I didn't come off as a complete moron, well not much anyway. Yes, yes exactly a "..." thing or cultural touch.

As far as I know, they just call any animation from anywhere "animation". Interesting point too about LOG II also. I've always thought that it was also really interesting that term "anime" is argued by some to originally have been a French term.