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Dragon Ball: Complete Illustrations Questions

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:16 pm

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I finally got in my copy today and spent a good chunk of work today looking it over (gotta love a job where you have free time to do crap like that :mrgreen: ), and this is probably one of my favorite Dragon Ball related purchases in a while. So much of my Dragon Ball experience is anime based, so that I often forget just how amazing Toriyama's art, and not just his style as aped by the animators at Toei, really is. While I was looking it over though, a good number of questions and comments came to mind.

1.) This artbook is really just daizenshuu #7, and is the only one that we and many other countries have ever gotten, correct?

2.) Under each artwork entry, there's a listing along the lines of '6 Weekly Jump, No. 19'. I'm assuming this is listing which issue of Jump the artwork originates from, but beyond that what does this really read as? I would have guess this was the 19th issue of Jump that year, in the month June, but that doesn't really seem to add up, especially not when looking at other listings like this.

3.) I almost instantly heard 'This is Kanzenshuu: The Podcast' upon seeing that artwork of Goku in front of the album player. :lol: That's way too ingrained now apparently.

4.) There's a series of artwork showing Bulma bathing, Lunch stripping (seen both of these before), and Roshi about to take a bath (Gah!) before another panel of him beaten and shot, that all says it's from the 'Dragon Ball Adventure Special'. What exactly was this?

5.) On some pages, there's one large artwork that will have two listings. For example, on page 62, there's this picture of Goku uppercutting Tenshinhan. Goku is listed with '92 Weekly Jump, No. 29' and Tenshinhan is '93 Weekly Jump, No. 29'. So where these artworks originally separate somehow?

6.) On page 100, there's a selection of artwork from something called 'The World of Akira Toriyama Special'. I believe I've heard of this before, but what exactly was it?

7.) On page 149, there's a picture of Goku in SS form, fighting a group of weird aliens. At first I thought perhaps this was artwork meant to show what Goku was up to in the afterlife (since in the manga it's stated he couldn't find anyone truly worth fighting, correct?), but the listing at the back of the book says this is artwork for the 'Saiyan Extermination Project' video game. Pretty safe bet that that's 'The Plan to Eliminate All Saiyans', but are any villains looking like this actually in the game? They certainly don't look like the things they fought in the anime cutscenes anyway.

8.) This one would probably go better in the Translation thread, but I have no way of locating this picture, so...on page 150, there's two comic strips. One of them is the infamous 'Vegeta finally defeating Goku...at a video game' strip, but the other one is of Gohan and Piccolo. From what I can gather Piccolo is saying something that Gohan has to clear up, but all the annotation lists for this is that it's a special message from Toriyama for the 25th anniversary of Weekly Jump. What exactly is being said here?

9.) On pages 194 and 195, they've got all of the spine art for the original 42-volume run of the manga, plus an unused 43rd one with the rest of Goku's feet. Where exactly did that come from? Did Toriyama just have that last bit prepared on the off chance there was enough material left that they had to do a 43rd volume?

10.) In the interview section of the book, on page 204, there's an artwork of teen Goku (his face certainly seems to imply it's more from the 23rd Budokai than it is further along anyway) wearing a somewhat different gi than usual. The wrist bands seem bigger, the gi itself has far more black on it, the Kame emblem is much larger and in a different background, and even Goku's boots seem different. What in the heck is this from, and have we ever seen this design from the front? It's a pretty neat design, I wouldn't mind seeing it as a bonus outfit in a game some day.

11.) Speaking of the interview, I could have sworn this was the interview from which Masakazu Katsura pops in and interrupts briefly, but apparently it wasn't. Which interview was that again?

12.) And finally, a question for anyone that also has the Chogashu - what kinds of artwork are in it that aren't in this one, and would it be worthwhile for someone that already has this to eventually import that as well?

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Re: Dragon Ball: Complete Illustrations Questions

Post by Chuquita » Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:31 pm

#10 sounds like the illustration done for the winner of this "design a dougi" contest thing I think they did at some point. (If I'm remembering correctly.)
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Re: Dragon Ball: Complete Illustrations Questions

Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:52 pm

Well, to somewhat answer your first question, this book is Daizenshuu 1, not 7. (Notice the big number "1" on the front cover :D )
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Re: Dragon Ball: Complete Illustrations Questions

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:58 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:Well, to somewhat answer your first question, this book is Daizenshuu 1, not 7. (Notice the big number "1" on the front cover :D )
...I completely missed that, and also didn't even notice that apparently the artwork I had posted here isn't literally the same as what the Viz copy has. :lol: They removed the '1', the kanji above the title, re-wrote 'The Complete Illustrations', and added a blurb at the bottom of the cover. The things I miss. ^_^;;;
Chuquita wrote:#10 sounds like the illustration done for the winner of this "design a dougi" contest thing I think they did at some point. (If I'm remembering correctly.)
Wha, really? That's interesting, I wonder if we ever got to see what any of the others looked like?
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Re: Dragon Ball: Complete Illustrations Questions

Post by MagicBox » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:28 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:4.) There's a series of artwork showing Bulma bathing, Lunch stripping (seen both of these before), and Roshi about to take a bath (Gah!) before another panel of him beaten and shot, that all says it's from the 'Dragon Ball Adventure Special'. What exactly was this?
This page sums it up better than I ever could. :)
Gyt Kaliba wrote:9.) On pages 194 and 195, they've got all of the spine art for the original 42-volume run of the manga, plus an unused 43rd one with the rest of Goku's feet. Where exactly did that come from? Did Toriyama just have that last bit prepared on the off chance there was enough material left that they had to do a 43rd volume?
I feel sorta useless just linking pages instead of actually typing something, but this page again answers the question better than I ever could. Just scroll down a bit until you see the section about the extra spine artwork.
Gyt Kaliba wrote:10.) In the interview section of the book, on page 204, there's an artwork of teen Goku (his face certainly seems to imply it's more from the 23rd Budokai than it is further along anyway) wearing a somewhat different gi than usual. The wrist bands seem bigger, the gi itself has far more black on it, the Kame emblem is much larger and in a different background, and even Goku's boots seem different. What in the heck is this from, and have we ever seen this design from the front? It's a pretty neat design, I wouldn't mind seeing it as a bonus outfit in a game some day.
I didn't get my book out to check, but is it this image? It's a design exclusive to that chapter's title page.
Gyt Kaliba wrote:12.) And finally, a question for anyone that also has the Chogashu - what kinds of artwork are in it that aren't in this one, and would it be worthwhile for someone that already has this to eventually import that as well?
This Daizenshu volume only has stuff from 1984-1995. The Chogashu collects all of that (though the illustrations are reprinted at different sizes than they are in the Daizenshu; some bigger, some smaller), plus tons of artwork from 1996-2013. There's some really, really obscure stuff in there. I'd say it's more than enough to justify purchasing both of them, but then again, I'm a sucker for Toriyama.
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Re: Dragon Ball: Complete Illustrations Questions

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:53 am

Thanks for the links to further details, MagicBox. At least my guess on the spine art thing was fairly accurate anyway.
MagicBox wrote:I didn't get my book out to check, but is it this image? It's a design exclusive to that chapter's title page.
Yup, that's the one. So it's from a chapter title page? Huh. I wonder if that was just Toriyama goofing around, or if it was an initial re-design for older Goku's outfit that he decided not to go with?
This Daizenshu volume only has stuff from 1984-1995. The Chogashu collects all of that (though the illustrations are reprinted at different sizes than they are in the Daizenshu; some bigger, some smaller), plus tons of artwork from 1996-2013. There's some really, really obscure stuff in there. I'd say it's more than enough to justify purchasing both of them, but then again, I'm a sucker for Toriyama.
Well, Toriyama is one of my favorite artists along with a few others, so...may just have to cave on this one eventually too then.
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Re: Dragon Ball: Complete Illustrations Questions

Post by Herms » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:05 am

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MagicBox wrote:I didn't get my book out to check, but is it this image? It's a design exclusive to that chapter's title page.
Yup, that's the one. So it's from a chapter title page? Huh. I wonder if that was just Toriyama goofing around, or if it was an initial re-design for older Goku's outfit that he decided not to go with?
As Chuquita said, that outfit was the winner of a contest where Toriyama asked readers to design a new dougi for Goku. I think it was announced back in chapters 163 and that's why that picture of Goku in his boxers is there, but I could just be making this up.
8.) This one would probably go better in the Translation thread, but I have no way of locating this picture, so...on page 150, there's two comic strips. One of them is the infamous 'Vegeta finally defeating Goku...at a video game' strip, but the other one is of Gohan and Piccolo. From what I can gather Piccolo is saying something that Gohan has to clear up, but all the annotation lists for this is that it's a special message from Toriyama for the 25th anniversary of Weekly Jump. What exactly is being said here?
Going totally off of memory here, but I'm pretty sure Piccolo says something along the lines of "So what if it's Jump's 25th anniversary? Who cares?" and Gohan says "Congratulations!"
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Re: Dragon Ball: Complete Illustrations Questions

Post by Naughty Kinto Un » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:19 pm

That's probably one of my favorite Dragon Ball-related possessions, other than the series itself in its manga and anime forms. I can't tell you how often I've revisited the artwork in that book for inspiration or a recharge of creative giddiness. Toriyama's a master at imaginary machinery, motion and character kinetics, and iconic cartoon shorthand. I wish there were an art book highlighting Toriyama's entire career up to now. A massive volume, over-sized in length and... girth... *drools*

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:52 pm

Herms wrote:As Chuquita said, that outfit was the winner of a contest where Toriyama asked readers to design a new dougi for Goku. I think it was announced back in chapters 163 and that's why that picture of Goku in his boxers is there, but I could just be making this up.
I can't believe I've never heard of this before. I'm guessing we never saw what any of the other entrants looked like, not even in Weekly Jump?
Going totally off of memory here, but I'm pretty sure Piccolo says something along the lines of "So what if it's Jump's 25th anniversary? Who cares?" and Gohan says "Congratulations!"
Ohh, okay. :lol: I thought it might have been a joke that was more profound somehow. Guess I was expecting too much on this one.

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