Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

[Super Sonic]

To the guys who were praising Ms. Goodson's performance, would you say her Zero voice was closer to her Naota or her Sprocket voice? Asking as they're the only male characters of hers I'm familiar with.

[superrayman3]

To the guys who were praising Ms. Goodson's performance, would you say her Zero voice was closer to her Naota or her Sprocket voice? Asking as they're the only male characters of hers I'm familiar with.

To be completely honest after careful comparison it's a very close tie, both are very close to zero's voice (so much that I can't really choose one over the other) so if you've heard either her Naota or Sprockets voice without the filter you pretty much know what zero's voice sounds like.

[ABED]

Goodson has a good voice and from what I've heard, the performance is okay, certainly better than Nadolny's. I don't think I'd say it's the best, but I definitely like it.

[IAmTheMilkMan]

I really like Saffron Henderson and Colleen Clinkenbeard in the role. Between the two, I think I would go with Colleen, if only because she seems to be a better actress, though Saffron is still good. I really don't like Nadolny. I don't know if it was the direction she was given or what, but she just could not act. The laugh was also cringe-worthy. I'm going to have to strongly agree with ABED on that one, Nadolny is no good for my money. If she removed some of the rasp, changed the laugh, and improved as an actress, then she might be okay.

I think people are unfairly critical of Clinkenbeard just because she isn't the actress that they're used to. Maybe she does have a slightly more feminine-sounding voice, but it still works well for the portrayal of a young boy. Most importantly, though, she is a far superior actress than the rest of them, which I feel should be enough to win people over, but people don't seem to care about good acting as much, for reasons beyond me.

[Super Sonic]

Haven't heard Ms. Clinkenbeard, so can't say on her part. Will say congrats to her though on the recent birth of her little boy though.

[gohann]

I think people are unfairly critical of Clinkenbeard just because she isn't the actress that they're used to.

And people aren't unfairly critical of Stephanie Nadolny? Ceyli Juliann Delgadillo isn't an actress I'm used to, yet I still find her decent.

Maybe she does have a slightly more feminine-sounding voice, but it still works well for the portrayal of a young boy.

Maybe for Gohan, but not Goku.

Most importantly, though, she is a far superior actress than the rest of them, which I feel should be enough to win people over, but people don't seem to care about good acting as much, for reasons beyond me.

It takes more than just "good acting" (not that she has it as Goku) to become a character. Every single line she said as the character was shrill and obnoxious-sounding.

[ABED]

I think people are unfairly critical of Clinkenbeard just because she isn't the actress that they're used to.

And people aren't unfairly critical of Stephanie Nadolny? Ceyli Juliann Delgadillo isn't an actress I'm used to, yet I still find her decent.

Maybe she does have a slightly more feminine-sounding voice, but it still works well for the portrayal of a young boy.

Maybe for Gohan, but not Goku.

Most importantly, though, she is a far superior actress than the rest of them, which I feel should be enough to win people over, but people don't seem to care about good acting as much, for reasons beyond me.

It takes more than just "good acting" (not that she has it as Goku) to become a character. Every single line she said as the character was shrill and obnoxious-sounding.

Perhaps some are unfairly critical, but so many people hold on to that experience of "it's not what I'm used to."

I'd rather a slightly feminine Goku than a badly acted one. In either case, you can tell it's a woman voicing the character.

You say shrill, but I do not think it means what you think it means. Not one line Nadolny has uttered was convincing. Her unnatural cadence wasn't obnoxious to you?

[gohann]

That's true, but some people have valid reasons.

Both of them are women behind mics, but Stephanie Nadolny sounds more masculine.

Not convincing, huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gmdiw38rAQ (Happy, determined)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwjDU5oX0ns (Angry, determined); She particularly shines in "Let's go." and "I'll tear that monster apart!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC-EOBejfhc (Annoyed, normal speaking)

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/voi ... /Kid-Goku/ Listen to Colleen Clinkenbeard's clip, it's high-pitched and piercing, which is what shrill means.

[ABED]

That's true, but some people have valid reasons.

Both of them are women behind mics, but Stephanie Nadolny sounds more masculine.

Not convincing, huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gmdiw38rAQ (Happy, determined)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwjDU5oX0ns (Angry, determined); She particularly shines in "Let's go." and "I'll tear that monster apart!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC-EOBejfhc (Annoyed, normal speaking)

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/voi ... /Kid-Goku/ Listen to Colleen Clinkenbeard's clip, it's high-pitched and piercing, which is what shrill means.

Still not convinced at all. And no, that last clip wasn't normal speaking at all.

The only piercing voice in that clip isn't Clinkenbeard, it was Rial's Bulma. What line do you think sounds shrill? Listen to Nadolny's clip and the way her voice goes up on "I've ever seen". I should never read those comment sections because the overwhelming support for Nadolny is ridiculous. When anyone says her voice is natural, all I can think is, "Have you ever heard normal people speak?"

[Bullza]

My favourite would be Nadonly who would be the only one worth squat anyway.

[Dbzfan94]

i personally really like Nadolny. She is the true English Kid Goku imho.

[gohann]

Still not convinced at all. And no, that last clip wasn't normal speaking at all.

The only piercing voice in that clip isn't Clinkenbeard, it was Rial's Bulma. What line do you think sounds shrill? Listen to Nadolny's clip and the way her voice goes up on "I've ever seen". I should never read those comment sections because the overwhelming support for Nadolny is ridiculous. When anyone says her voice is natural, all I can think is, "Have you ever heard normal people speak?"

The "normal speaking" line I was referring to was "You're stinky."

Shrill lines:
"Oh, that stinks! What do you have against a fair fight, anyway?"
"Shot me? ... Prepare to get beat, you filthy monster!"

For voice going up, I'll say what I said in another thread: You don't think it would be more unnatural if she sounded the same each time she talked? I can see what you're talking about now, at least.

I would say that most normal young boys (not 12 year olds, but younger kids) are closer to Ceyli Juliann Delgadillo voice-wise than anyone else.

[TheKingOfKamehamehas]

When I was 12 I sounded more closer to Colleen Clinkenbeard more than Stephanie Nadolny. Kids only go through real puberty late at age 12 I will say Nadonly is no where near as good as an actor as Colleen (She is English Luffy for God Sake) and Colleen is a much better Gohan. For Goku though it depends. Some scenes I like Nadolny and in other scenes I like Colleen.

[gohann]

She does great work in One Piece and other anime, I doubt many people would say otherwise, she's just not Goku/Gohan/Android 18.

[ABED]

Still not convinced at all. And no, that last clip wasn't normal speaking at all.

The only piercing voice in that clip isn't Clinkenbeard, it was Rial's Bulma. What line do you think sounds shrill? Listen to Nadolny's clip and the way her voice goes up on "I've ever seen". I should never read those comment sections because the overwhelming support for Nadolny is ridiculous. When anyone says her voice is natural, all I can think is, "Have you ever heard normal people speak?"

The "normal speaking" line I was referring to was "You're stinky."

Shrill lines:
"Oh, that stinks! What do you have against a fair fight, anyway?"
"Shot me? ... Prepare to get beat, you filthy monster!"

For voice going up, I'll say what I said in another thread: You don't think it would be more unnatural if she sounded the same each time she talked? I can see what you're talking about now, at least.

I would say that most normal young boys (not 12 year olds, but younger kids) are closer to Ceyli Juliann Delgadillo voice-wise than anyone else.

That's not shrill. Of course Goku's voice would be loud, he's just been shot. It's no more shrill than Nozawa. Unfortunately I can't find the clips on youtube, but there are moments where Nadolny is screaming and you wanna talk about shrill. I think they come from the GT TV special, and that episode where Goku is yelling at Pan that he doesn't want to go to the hospital.

I understand that voices modulates naturally as you speak otherwise you sound monotonous, it's the manner in which she does it that's so over the top unnatural and cartoony, but not that good cartoony. It goes up in very weird places.

Even the "you're stinky" line is unnatural. It sounds like she's trying to do comedy instead of playing the line matter of fact.

I just don't understand that extreme dislike people have towards Colleen's take. You'd think she played the character longer than she actually did. The level of love that not only Nadolny but the dub (of Z especially) engenders from certain fans is something I don't understand, and it usually goes hand in hand with disliking Kai or the original.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Even the "you're stinky" line is unnatural. It sounds like she's trying to do comedy instead of playing the line matter of fact.

That's the part where Goku is complaining about Roshi who just got off the toilet, right? That part kind of...well, it is comedic.

I will agree that some of the complaints on Colleen's Goku do go too far though. We only had her for one film really (I don't think we've even had any games with him in it since then, have we?), so it's not really enough to make a full judgement on...but at the same time, it really didn't give me a lot more to hope for either. Though part of it is bias against how all over the place the casts for those movies are now too, bleh.

[ABED]

Even the "you're stinky" line is unnatural. It sounds like she's trying to do comedy instead of playing the line matter of fact.

That's the part where Goku is complaining about Roshi who just got off the toilet, right? That part kind of...well, it is comedic.

I will agree that some of the complaints on Colleen's Goku do go too far though. We only had her for one film really (I don't think we've even had any games with him in it since then, have we?), so it's not really enough to make a full judgement on...but at the same time, it really didn't give me a lot more to hope for either. Though part of it is bias against how all over the place the casts for those movies are now too, bleh.

I get that it's comedic, but comedy doesn't need to be played as "see, this is comedic" with flashing neon lights standing on stilts. I don't remember Nozawa's delivery but I recall her playing it natural and matter of fact. The actress who plays Kuririn is very funny but her performance is very natural sounding. It's interesting that so many of those dub performances are applauded and they are often the worst ones, yet more subtle ones like young Kuririn are seemingly never brought up.

[gohann]

That's not shrill. Of course Goku's voice would be loud, he's just been shot. It's no more shrill than Nozawa. Unfortunately I can't find the clips on youtube, but there are moments where Nadolny is screaming and you wanna talk about shrill. I think they come from the GT TV special, and that episode where Goku is yelling at Pan that he doesn't want to go to the hospital.

I understand that voices modulates naturally as you speak otherwise you sound monotonous, it's the manner in which she does it that's so over the top unnatural and cartoony, but not that good cartoony. It goes up in very weird places.

Even the "you're stinky" line is unnatural. It sounds like she's trying to do comedy instead of playing the line matter of fact.

I just don't understand that extreme dislike people have towards Colleen's take. You'd think she played the character longer than she actually did. The level of love that not only Nadolny but the dub (of Z especially) engenders from certain fans is something I don't understand, and it usually goes hand in hand with disliking Kai or the original.

Audio-only video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTXQ56ibGIs (Starts around 0:54. No matter what emotion is conveyed, Goku always sounds shrill and forced as all hell.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1cCxGOPCXg (Her shouting, while being high-pitched, is still backed up by good acting and a good voice. "That's what really happened to you, right, Grandpa? ... he was my friend. And you took him away! I'll never let you do that again! Never!" Her crying is also convincing.)

To me, "You're stinky" was delivered perfectly, I can't seem to hear what you do.

I don't dislike Kai, in some areas, it's an improvement. Colleen Clinkenbeard has big shoes to fill, especially as Kid Goku/Gohan, but I still expected better.

[ABED]

Audio-only video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTXQ56ibGIs (Starts around 0:54. No matter what emotion is conveyed, Goku always sounds shrill and forced as all hell.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1cCxGOPCXg (Her shouting, while being high-pitched, is still backed up by good acting and a good voice. "That's what really happened to you, right, Grandpa? ... he was my friend. And you took him away! I'll never let you do that again! Never!" Her crying is also convincing.)

To me, "You're stinky" was delivered perfectly, I can't seem to hear what you do.

I don't dislike Kai, in some areas, it's an improvement. Colleen Clinkenbeard has big shoes to fill, especially as Kid Goku/Gohan, but I still expected better.

You keep using shrill, but that's not shrill at all. I dont' know how you can claim EVERYTHING is forced from her but Nadolny is even remotely naturalistic in her performance. Nadolny isn't a good actress, and high pitched doesn't bother me, it's the shrillness and piercing screams she does as well as the unnatural ups and downs in the oddest places of sentences. That's forced. How are you unable to hear that NO ONE talks like that? And no, no one sounds like that when they're crying. Her laugh is even worse. That Krusty/Woody woodpecker laugh that she always does that we were forced to hear for over 100 episodes UGH!

In SOME areas? In scripting and acting and music, it is most definitely an improvement. For one, the actors had far more experience.

Big shoes, you make it sound like Nadolny's this amazing actress. She's not. At her best, she's only okay.

[DarkPrince_92]

Coleen does Gohan because I can see her voice fitting with Gohan's cautious and polite personality. Nadolny does a better Goku because she captures his essence. He's small, goofy, tough, obnoxious and I can sense it in her work. Coleen's Goku just sounds like some kid... on some Nicktoons show. Generic. Well, that's my opinion anyway.