Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

[gohann]

You keep using shrill, but that's not shrill at all. I dont' know how you can claim EVERYTHING is forced from her but Nadolny is even remotely naturalistic in her performance. Nadolny isn't a good actress, and high pitched doesn't bother me, it's the shrillness and piercing screams she does as well as the unnatural ups and downs in the oddest places of sentences. That's forced. How are you unable to hear that NO ONE talks like that? And no, no one sounds like that when they're crying. Her laugh is even worse. That Krusty/Woody woodpecker laugh that she always does that we were forced to hear for over 100 episodes UGH!

In SOME areas? In scripting and acting and music, it is most definitely an improvement. For one, the actors had far more experience.

Big shoes, you make it sound like Nadolny's this amazing actress. She's not. At her best, she's only okay.

Stephanie Nadolny is a great actress. Even if I agreed with you, it's nothing that couldn't be fixed with even better direction, right? Since Kai is better dubbed in most places than DBZ is, great voice direction could have fixed the issues you have with her and make her into an even better actress. When holding in their cries, they will sound like that. I want you to explain me how Goku's laugh sounds like this.

It's better in most of the major areas, most notably the pacing, but I think the original does a few things slightly better. Though for the record I don't mind Bruce Faulconer's themes.

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Coleen does Gohan because I can see her voice fitting with Gohan's cautious and polite personality. Nadolny does a better Goku because she captures his essence. He's small, goofy, tough, obnoxious and I can sense it in her work. Coleen's Goku just sounds like some kid... on some Nicktoons show. Generic. Well, that's my opinion anyway.

And I can hear her working, she isn't effortless in her performance. You can hear the acting.

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You keep using shrill, but that's not shrill at all. I dont' know how you can claim EVERYTHING is forced from her but Nadolny is even remotely naturalistic in her performance. Nadolny isn't a good actress, and high pitched doesn't bother me, it's the shrillness and piercing screams she does as well as the unnatural ups and downs in the oddest places of sentences. That's forced. How are you unable to hear that NO ONE talks like that? And no, no one sounds like that when they're crying. Her laugh is even worse. That Krusty/Woody woodpecker laugh that she always does that we were forced to hear for over 100 episodes UGH!

In SOME areas? In scripting and acting and music, it is most definitely an improvement. For one, the actors had far more experience.

Big shoes, you make it sound like Nadolny's this amazing actress. She's not. At her best, she's only okay.

Stephanie Nadolny is a great actress. Even if I agreed with you, it's nothing that couldn't be fixed with even better direction, right? Since Kai is better dubbed in most places than DBZ is, great voice direction could have fixed the issues you have with her and make her into an even better actress. When holding in their cries, they will sound like that. I want you to explain me how Goku's laugh sounds like this.

It's better in most of the major areas, most notably the pacing, but I think the original does a few things slightly better. Though for the record I don't mind Bruce Faulconer's themes.

I can't explain audio in words, that and Woody Woodpecker were the best I could think of, I could demonstrate if we were in person. It's that weird forced laugh.

Kai had great direction but there's only so much you can do. It can't perform miracles, look at the performance of Roshi, Kaio, Chichi.

What things did the original do better?

[gohann]

The laugh is stiff, but it's still decent enough. It only sounds weird to me if I listen to it for too long (like, say, a looped version), as with most anything else.

Master Roshi and Chi-Chi sound great, agreed on King Kai, though. Don Brown was a much better fit for him, this is not Sean Schemmel's role.

Certain voices (both subbed and dubbed), more quotable lines (could be a good or bad thing depending on perspective, but I'm listing it anyway). And, as mentioned before, great, memorable themes like this. Yes, Shunsuke Kikuchi is a better composer overall, and you can say what you will about how FUNi places music overall, but this theme is one of the few that outdoes the original or Kai versions. I can't summarize music in words, so I'll let this comment speak for me before I ramble on for too long:

This theme DEFINITELY matched Gohan for sure. Captures the character of Gohan because Gohan was a young boy who truly had heart, courage, and amazing strength. This song has the emotions of sorrow, anger, and it turns into rage. As far as emotions and moments of this anime, Bruce Faulconer truly captured all of those emotions in every theme he has composed. 

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The laugh is stiff, but it's still decent enough. It only sounds weird to me if I listen to it for too long (like, say, a looped version), as with most anything else.

Master Roshi and Chi-Chi sound great, agreed on King Kai, though. Don Brown was a much better fit for him, this is not Sean Schemmel's role.

Certain voices (both subbed and dubbed), more quotable lines (could be a good or bad thing depending on perspective, but I'm listing it anyway). And, as mentioned before, great, memorable themes like this. Yes, Shunsuke Kikuchi is a better composer overall, and you can say what you will about how FUNi places music overall, but this theme is one of the few that outdoes the original or Kai versions. I can't summarize music in words, so I'll let this comment speak for me before I ramble on for too long:

This theme DEFINITELY matched Gohan for sure. Captures the character of Gohan because Gohan was a young boy who truly had heart, courage, and amazing strength. This song has the emotions of sorrow, anger, and it turns into rage. As far as emotions and moments of this anime, Bruce Faulconer truly captured all of those emotions in every theme he has composed. 

Chichi's voice is fine, but the acting is bad. It's not the worst, it's bearable, but it's still not good acting by any stretch. I'll give you that McFarland is great with the comedy, but the old man voice is hokey which works for comedic moments, but he's terrible in dramatic moments as Muten Roshi. Those quotable lines are almost ALWAYS for bad reasons. Was that song you linked to used in place of Spirit vs. Spirit?

There are few voices that I prefer from the dub, but the original is overwhelmingly better

[gohann]

Chichi's voice is fine, but the acting is bad. It's not the worst, it's bearable, but it's still not good acting by any stretch. I'll give you that McFarland is great with the comedy, but the old man voice is hokey which works for comedic moments, but he's terrible in dramatic moments as Muten Roshi. Those quotable lines are almost ALWAYS for bad reasons. Was that song you linked to used in place of Spirit vs. Spirit?

There are few voices that I prefer from the dub, but the original is overwhelmingly better

Maybe back then, but in Kai it's at least passable now. Quotable lines are bad for me mostly because of meme spam (like O9k), but others like it, so I had it listed. Yes, it was in place of that song.

It's an improvement in most areas, but there are a few things that keep it from winning by a landslide.

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Chichi's voice is fine, but the acting is bad. It's not the worst, it's bearable, but it's still not good acting by any stretch. I'll give you that McFarland is great with the comedy, but the old man voice is hokey which works for comedic moments, but he's terrible in dramatic moments as Muten Roshi. Those quotable lines are almost ALWAYS for bad reasons. Was that song you linked to used in place of Spirit vs. Spirit?

There are few voices that I prefer from the dub, but the original is overwhelmingly better

Maybe back then, but in Kai it's at least passable now. Quotable lines are bad for me mostly because of meme spam (like O9k), but others like it, so I had it listed. Yes, it was in place of that song.

It's an improvement in most areas, but there are a few things that keep it from winning by a landslide (I know you meant Kai).

I'm not a fan of the song, I don't hate it, but it can't touch Spirit vs. Spirit.

When you say it's passable, who are you talking about Roshi or Chichi?

The original does win by a landslide. There are a few voice from the dub that I like better (Tenshinhan's to name one), but they are few and far between.

[gohann]

I used to not think anything of it, probably because it wasn't fast-paced and actiony, but I now feel it fits perfectly. Both are good songs, though.

Chi-Chi. Mike MacFarland IS Master Roshi.

My bad, misread your previous post.

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He's got his comedic side down pat, but his goofy voice ruins any sense of dramatic tension or earnestness. That disqualifies him from "McFarland IS Roshi".

it wasn't fast-paced and action

Spirit vs. Spirit? It's not an action moment, it's a dramatic moment.

[gohann]

He's got his comedic side down pat, but his goofy voice ruins any sense of dramatic tension or earnestness. That disqualifies him from "McFarland IS Roshi".

Spirit vs. Spirit? It's not an action moment, it's a dramatic moment.

The voice is distracting during those moments, but the acting is still convincing enough to make up for it.

I meant Gohan's Anger, I'm saying I was more into fast-paced action songs when I was first into the series.

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He's got his comedic side down pat, but his goofy voice ruins any sense of dramatic tension or earnestness. That disqualifies him from "McFarland IS Roshi".

Spirit vs. Spirit? It's not an action moment, it's a dramatic moment.

The voice is distracting during those moments, but the acting is still convincing enough to make up for it.

I meant Gohan's Anger, I'm saying I was more into fast-paced action songs when I was first into the series.

The voice and the acting goes hand in hand, as Roshi his acting leaves a lot to be desired, the voice doesn't help. Again, great with comedic Roshi, but not dramatic Roshi. He's only slightly more natural in his delivery than Schemmel's Kaio. It screams goofy, wacky, old man.

I just can't understand your POV - Nadolny, Cranz, and McFarland as Roshi are good acting to you, but Colleen's Gohan and Goku aren't? It's like Bizarro World. Me am confused.

[gohann]

I just can't understand your POV - Nadolny, Cranz, and McFarland as Roshi are good acting to you, but Colleen's Gohan and Goku aren't? It's like Bizarro World. Me am confused.

Stephanie Nadolny - Hopefully this comment sums it up better than I could:

#1) Stephanie Nadolny- Awesome. This is where Stephanie really got to shine under better VA direction, and you'll notice this is where she uses a much lighter pitch of voice, but with a bit of a goofy wild side that Kid Goku needs. Additionally, her voice is cute sounding for the character, charming, and she put a lot of emotion, enthusiasm, and energy into the role. It's a shame she couldn't reprise the role in future VGs or in Kai flashbacks: Kid Goku will never be the same without her. 9.5/10

Cynthia Cranz - Her line deliveries are good, and it helps that the voice is good.

Mike MacFarland - His voice is admittedly defined by the accent (for lack of a better word) in serious moments, but I can still take him seriously.

Colleen Clinkenbeard - Her Goku isn't age-appropriate or distinctive, and I don't even know where to start on Gohan. I just have to say she has not surpassed Stephanie Nadolny. There are a couple of videos on the subject, I'll edit them into my post tomorrow.

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I just can't understand your POV - Nadolny, Cranz, and McFarland as Roshi are good acting to you, but Colleen's Gohan and Goku aren't? It's like Bizarro World. Me am confused.

Stephanie Nadolny - Hopefully this comment sums it up better than I could:

#1) Stephanie Nadolny- Awesome. This is where Stephanie really got to shine under better VA direction, and you'll notice this is where she uses a much lighter pitch of voice, but with a bit of a goofy wild side that Kid Goku needs. Additionally, her voice is cute sounding for the character, charming, and she put a lot of emotion, enthusiasm, and energy into the role. It's a shame she couldn't reprise the role in future VGs or in Kai flashbacks: Kid Goku will never be the same without her. 9.5/10

Cynthia Cranz - Her line deliveries are good, and it helps that the voice is good.

Mike MacFarland - His voice is admittedly defined by the accent (for lack of a better word) in serious moments, but I can still take him seriously.

Colleen Clinkenbeard - Her Goku isn't age-appropriate or distinctive, and I don't even know where to start on Gohan. I just have to say she has not surpassed Stephanie Nadolny. There are a couple of videos on the subject, I'll edit them into my post tomorrow.

Colleen - how is it not age appropriate? If you can tell it's Colleen, it's distinctive. It's also far more natural in its delivery. What leads me to believe that so much of the love Nadolny gets is primarily nostalgia is due to things like this. It's as though disliking Colleen goes hand in hand with liking her predecessor. I would expect most to at least say she's fine, but I just prefer Nadolny, but I've found that to overwhelmingly not be the case. A lot goes as far to say she can't act at all. Take for example, your opinion of Delgadillo. I've seen many people say that same thing, she's okay but too soft for Goku. They express more like for her portrayal than Colleen's and her voice doesn't even fit Goku. It's far too soft and her acting is not very good at all. The big difference is that she wasn't the one that took over from Nadolny. Another complaint that bothers me is the "she doesn't differentiate between Goku and Gohan" or "she's basically just using her Luffy voice". So? She actually does differentiate Goku and Gohan. It's a similar voice, but a different performance. I don't watch one piece, and even if I did, why does it matter so much if she uses the same voice as long as the performance is good?
Cynthia - her voice is okay, though she sounds like a woman in her 30s and 40s, even when Chichi's in her 20s, and she's not a good actress. She's passable.
McFarland - How can you take it serious? It's goofy and over the top, and it sounds like he's trying way too hard to sound like
Vollmer - where do you stand on her and Rial?

That quote is false. Good directors aren't miracle workers. A BIT of a goofy wild side? Her voice isn't cute sounding, nor charming. 9.5? Has this person ever heard quality voice acting? If she's the measuring stick, Chris Ayres must be 20 out of 10. Again, no one talks with that arbitrary up and down that she does.

[Chibi Gohan]

Tough question... As much as I like Colleen as a VA, I'll have to go with Nadolny.

[gohann]

Goku is twelve, but sounds nowhere near that age. It's not nostalgia when I grew up with Ocean. The "nostalgia" argument will never make sense, what if I were to say that someone only liked Sean Schemmel's King Kai because... he's Sean Schemmel? For what it's worth, she's better than Peter Kelamis and Brianne Siddall as Kid Goku, better than the UVA as Android 18, and better than Jillian Michaels as Kid Gohan. Ceyli Delgadillo had a natural voice, the problem was the acting. With better acting, I think she would have been the 2nd best Goku. I don't have a problem with her sounding similar to another role, or I'd complain about Christopher Sabat, but as another member said, it's more generic.
Monica Rial is good, probably my second favorite Bulma, but Tiffany Vollmer is just better.

Directing does play a key part, though. Chris Ayres is a great actor but I don't think I'd rate him 10+ whole points higher. At the risk of offending, you seem to be the only person who either hears the arbitrary up and down or is bothered by it.

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Goku is twelve, but sounds nowhere near that age. It's not nostalgia when I grew up with Ocean. The "nostalgia" argument will never make sense, what if I were to say that someone only liked Sean Schemmel's King Kai because... he's Sean Schemmel? For what it's worth, she's better than Peter Kelamis and Brianne Siddall as Kid Goku, better than the UVA as Android 18, and better than Jillian Michaels as Kid Gohan. Ceyli Delgadillo had a natural voice, the problem was the acting. With better acting, I think she would have been the 2nd best Goku. I don't have a problem with her sounding similar to another role, or I'd complain about Christopher Sabat, but as another member said, it's more generic.
Monica Rial is good, probably my second favorite Bulma, but Tiffany Vollmer is just better.

Directing does play a key part, though. Chris Ayres is a great actor but I don't think I'd rate him 10+ whole points higher. At the risk of offending, you seem to be the only person who either hears the arbitrary up and down or is bothered by it.

It's possible to grow up with both versions. Now perhaps in your case it isn't nostalgia goggles, but for many people it is. Their first exposure was the in-house dub.

Delgadillo's voice is natural for some characters, but not Goku, and yes, her acting is bad. Goku's energetic and wild, she's so soft spoken, and that's not him at all.

Nadolny doesn't sound 12 either. Next to no one is going to sound like a 12 year old boy, the best you can do is try and sound like it. You just have to suspend disbelief as long as it's in the ballpark.

No, you didn't offend, and maybe I am, but I don't know how anyone doesn't hear that and go "it's so unnatural," much less think that's great acting. Vollmer is among the worst actresses on the show. This does really seem like Bizarro world.

[Valerius Dover]

To be fair, there's a really wide range that a 12 year old boy could sound like.

[jjgp1112]

This thread is kinda going in circles and has gone away from Kid Goku to "I think Stephanie Nadolny's good." "No she's not" over and over again.

[DarkPrince_92]

This thread is kinda going in circles and has gone away from Kid Goku to "I think Stephanie Nadolny's good." "No she's not" over and over again.

Every thread that has a "Favorite (Insert subject)" ends up like this. Apparently someone has to defend why they favor one thing over something else, or question why someone likes something as opposed to another and are "wrong" or have "bad taste" because of their preference. It's the watered down versions of Youtube arguments.

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This thread is kinda going in circles and has gone away from Kid Goku to "I think Stephanie Nadolny's good." "No she's not" over and over again.

Every thread that has a "Favorite (Insert subject)" ends up like this. Apparently someone has to defend why they favor one thing over something else, or question why someone likes something as opposed to another and are "wrong" or have "bad taste" because of their preference. It's the watered down versions of Youtube arguments.

Please don't compare this to a youtube argument. If it was, we'd be using four letter words and making fun of each other by now. I simply chalk it up to not understanding.