Does Kai Uncut overuse swears?

[LordCrumb]

They do count as curse words because you can't say them in school, and they are likewise cut from the edited version.

Maybe in your country mate.

Damn and Hell are only considered swear words by those, let's face it, who have a religious upbringing ,or continued religious belief.

Even though you might believe in the existence of a 'Hell', how can it be considered a swear word when it's the name of the actual place lol

Did you know 'Planet of the Apes' was almost given an X rating because Heston screams "God damn you all to hell" because it was blasphemous... only in america.

[Valerius Dover]

Referring to Hell by location isn't considered as offensive, seeing as how Funi does that even in the Z dub. (Although, they strangely dodged the name in the Vegeta Saga while having no fear of saying it later).

Well, yes, this does mostly apply to the US, but Funimation's dub is made with the US market in mind.

[LordCrumb]

Referring to Hell by location isn't considered as offensive, seeing as how Funi does that even in the Z dub. (Although, they strangely dodged the name in the Vegeta Saga while having no fear of saying it later).

Well, yes, this does mostly apply to the US, but Funimation's dub is made with the US market in mind.

I'd say it was made with an international market in mind.

[Valerius Dover]

^Are there other countries that use the Funi dub? I thought it was just the US. I kind of interpret the increase of swearing as a way of distancing itself from the Z dub outside of the Namek Saga.

[LordCrumb]

^Are there other countries that use the Funi dub? I thought it was just the US. I kind of interpret the increase of swearing as a way of distancing itself from the Z dub outside of the Namek Saga.

Countries outside the US speak English too.

[TheBlackPaladin]

^Are there other countries that use the Funi dub? I thought it was just the US. I kind of interpret the increase of swearing as a way of distancing itself from the Z dub outside of the Namek Saga.

Countries outside the US speak English too.

Right, but I think he was just asking which countries specifically received FUNimation's English dub. After all, Canada, the UK, and the Netherlands all got the Westwood dub of DBZ and the Blue Water dubs of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball GT.

To answer your question, Valerius Dover, currently the US and the UK have the FUNimation dub of Kai. I believe Australia does too, but I'm not sure. I don't know what the situation is with New Zealand. It should also be noted that I'm just talking about what's on TV. I believe there has been an uncut, bilingual home video release (using the FUNimation dub) in all of the primarily English-speaking territories.

Canada has not aired Kai on TV at all......which is the last remaining source of hope that the mysterious Ocean dub of Kai will see the light of day. If the FUNimation dub of Kai ended up on Canadian TV, that would be the nail in the coffin for me as far as seeing the Ocean dub.

[Codarik]

There's no doubt in my mind that they added more swears to make it more "edgy". For instance, there was a scene where Goku was thinking of a way to distract Freeza so he can do a surprise attack, and in his mind he called Freeza a bastard, whereas in the JPN version Goku didn't even call Freeza a name.

[TheBlackPaladin]

There's no doubt in my mind that they added more swears to make it more "edgy". For instance, there was a scene where Goku was thinking of a way to distract Freeza so he can do a surprise attack, and in his mind he called Freeza a bastard, whereas in the JPN version Goku didn't even call Freeza a name.

I guess I'd call that a fair exchange for the fact that Goku called Freeza a "fool" when he launched his final kamehameha at him in the dub, rather than a "bastard," which is what the subs said.

[Puto]

'Fool' is actually a more literal translation of 'bakayarou' than 'bastard' (the literal translation is idiot. The 'yarou' makes it a bit harsher, so something like 'you stupid [idiot/moron/fool]' would probably be the closest).

[El Diabeetus]

Double stupid in that case, I'd prefer dumbass over bastard for that scene.

[Puto]

Yeah, that would've worked pretty well.

[KaiserNeko]

Dumbass? That would have sounded absolutely wrong. That's something Yusuke Urameshi would say, not Son Goku.

"Fool" works perfectly fine in this context. "Stupid fool" would have also worked.

[El Diabeetus]

Saying it once wouldn't sound bad in my opinion. If it was multiple times, I'd agree, that wouldn't sound right. Fool doesn't sound right to me for Goku. It may be a more literal translation of Baka, (other than the super literal horse of course) but people don't usually use fool anywhere near in frequency in comparison to: idiot, dumbass, douchebag, retard, etc. (at least where I've grown up around anyway). Fool seems like a more fancy word to describe idiocy which isn't really a Goku thing. I'd imagine he'd use something more crass like dumbass or stupid bastard as Daimao's subs use.

At the same time, I'm nowhere near fluent in Japanese. But, just based on Goku being a backwoods, mountain, manchild, I could see him using a crass term like dumbass over fool.

As for the initial topic, I believe it used the proper amount. Damn or bastard or tame swear words are no where near edgy. If they were throwing Anime Labs-esque Fucks and Cunts, that'd be different.

Maybe overexplaining my thoughts on it, but I would rather overexplain than not at all.

[Valerius Dover]

I REALLY don't think the word "dumbass" works for a dramatic scene like that. It would kill the mood entirely.

[El Diabeetus]

I REALLY don't think the word "dumbass" works for a dramatic scene like that. It would kill the mood entirely.

I guess. As long as it is delivered properly shouldn't be a problem. Not a big fan of the fool word choice, but Schemmel's delivery in Kai of the line is extremely well done. Still like the scene regardless, whatever keeps a more Goku like wording but still fits the scene would be cool with me. Fool just sounds like a smarter way to call someone stupid and Goku would use something more in the realm of idiot or stupid bastard like the subs. Fool is more of an anime dub was to call someone stupid. Not saying it's never used in real life, just hear it way more in anime than I would in a regular conversation.

[Valerius Dover]

^I should also point out that the line in Z was also "you fool".

[El Diabeetus]

I'm aware, haha! I've watches both dubs multiple times before.

[EXBadguy]

I don't think they're overused at all. I don't see why anyone would be offended by the swear words. The JP dub used them too and there was no outrage, so why with this one? Hell, I'd laugh if Vegeta or Trunks called 18 a bitch(yeah, yeah "that's so offensive and uncalled for!" shut up who cares).

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't think they're overused at all. I don't see why anyone would be offended by the swear words. The JP dub used them too and there was no outrage, so why with this one? Hell, I'd laugh if Vegeta or Trunks called 18 a bitch(yeah, yeah "that's so offensive and uncalled for!" shut up who cares).

If I'm not mistaken, most swear words have a totally different connotation in Japanese than they do in English. It's not really comparable.

That said, I take no issue with the swearing I've seen in the English Dubs. If anything, the attempts to circumvent these words is more distracting than the words themselves would be.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I don't think they're overused at all. I don't see why anyone would be offended by the swear words. The JP dub used them too and there was no outrage, so why with this one?

I actually think I have an answer for that. There's no "outrage" from me, to be clear, but I think the outrage and disapproval we've seen from other fans about the swearing...is generally--but not universally, of course--coming from people who are primarily familiar with DBZ through the English dub, which went to great lengths to not swear, especially early on, and even more so in the more commonly-watched edited TV broadcast. For example, episode 69 had Vegeta in the uncut dub of DBZ saying, "If there's one thing I've learned from this whole ordeal, it's that I'm a friggin genius," and they replaced the word "friggin" with "absolute" in the edited TV broadcast. That's how tame they were back then..."friggin," one of the tamest words in our language, was considered too extreme.

So now the dub of Kai, which resembles the original Japanese version much more closely, does not resemble the show they knew and loved. Which is ironic on a couple of different levels.