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EliteWarrior
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by EliteWarrior » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:29 pm
Pantalones wrote:I always figured he could only teleport beings with ki. Since he needs to lock on to a ki signature in order to teleport
to a place, it would make sense that he'd need to be able to connect with someone's ki signature in order to take them along for the ride, too.
Does a planet itself have ki? The living things
on the planet do, yes, but I don't think Earth itself has its own inner ki source. Stars appear to generate a form of energy that can be used for a Spirit Bomb, but when Goku draws energy from the life of a planet it shows the actual lifeforms (deer, trees, etc.) rather than scenes of random rocky wasteland, so I figure planets themselves don't give off any ki-like energy whatsoever.
The technique may also be limited by size. We only see him teleport himself, one other being, or small groups of people who are all within arm's length of him--so it's possible that once you get beyond a certain size (say, anything that's too big for Goku to see all of it within his field of vision at once) it would be impossible to teleport an object of that size. So he not only wouldn't be able to teleport a whole planet, he wouldn't be able to teleport an entire city (or even just the population of an entire city) either.
It's not even a matter of "is Goku powerful enough to do this," it's a matter of "is this within the bounds of what the technique Instant Transmission is capable of?"
Can't he only teleport things that consent to being teleported?
Bloated, about-to-explode Semi-Perfect Cell says "no."
watch dbz and get good! do sun glasses have ki? i bet not!! then how did he teleport them with him too?

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by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:55 pm
EliteWarrior wrote:Pantalones wrote:I always figured he could only teleport beings with ki. Since he needs to lock on to a ki signature in order to teleport
to a place, it would make sense that he'd need to be able to connect with someone's ki signature in order to take them along for the ride, too.
Does a planet itself have ki? The living things
on the planet do, yes, but I don't think Earth itself has its own inner ki source. Stars appear to generate a form of energy that can be used for a Spirit Bomb, but when Goku draws energy from the life of a planet it shows the actual lifeforms (deer, trees, etc.) rather than scenes of random rocky wasteland, so I figure planets themselves don't give off any ki-like energy whatsoever.
The technique may also be limited by size. We only see him teleport himself, one other being, or small groups of people who are all within arm's length of him--so it's possible that once you get beyond a certain size (say, anything that's too big for Goku to see all of it within his field of vision at once) it would be impossible to teleport an object of that size. So he not only wouldn't be able to teleport a whole planet, he wouldn't be able to teleport an entire city (or even just the population of an entire city) either.
It's not even a matter of "is Goku powerful enough to do this," it's a matter of "is this within the bounds of what the technique Instant Transmission is capable of?"
Can't he only teleport things that consent to being teleported?
Bloated, about-to-explode Semi-Perfect Cell says "no."
watch dbz and get good! do sun glasses have ki? i bet not!! then how did he teleport them with him too?

...The same way his clothes don't fly off him. They were on his person. Do his clothes have Ki too? Are they sentient? When did this became Kill la Kill?
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by Pantalones » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:23 pm
I'm fairly sure DBZ characters' ki sort of infuses into their clothes (and all other things they're wearing), considering that people can take energy blasts head-on and not have their clothes instantly vaporized every time. Clothes are not tough enough inherently to survive planet-destroying attacks (or even car-destroying attacks, really), and yet DBZ characters generally don't have clothes burned or shredded every time they get hit by an attack--"clothing damage" seems to only happen when someone takes real damage, or at least gets hit by an attack that's more serious than the weaker hits earlier in the fight that they could just effortlessly shrug off.
So... technically, the clothes and sunglasses would have ki--they have Goku's (or someone else's) ki in/around them, as long as Goku (or someone else) is wearing them at the moment.
Regardless of how it works, though... it's pretty clear that anything you're wearing teleports along with you. Teleportation would be kind of an absurd technique otherwise, unless you're someone like Karin or Cell or something who just doesn't wear clothes in the first place. I'd assume it extends to items you're carrying, too (like if Trunks learned Instant Transmission, he'd be able to do it with sword in hand), since it seems pretty clear that high-end fighters infuse their ki into swords and such too (Trunks can cut Freeza, but Goku can block his sword easily and #18 doesn't even need to try and she still shatters the thing with her... arm. It doesn't even cut her shirt, if I recall correctly.) I don't think it's a coincidence that all of those results match up perfectly with how much weaker or stronger each of those people was compared to Trunks at the time.
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by SingleFringe&Sparks » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:05 am
Would it even make any sense? There is no way he could relocate planets with I.T. He would have to teleport another planet on his back ON TO another planet with people on it, then the two planets would crush each other. It doesnt sound like a smart idea at all.
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by ss4songoku » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:09 am
Even if he could he wouldn't do it. If he didn't get the distance from the sun or any other star just right the whole population would either burn up or freeze not to mention that Goku has to sense ki first, there's not likely to be one floating in space that exact distance from a star. Just realized someone said the same thing lol. I thought I had a good thing to add

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by EliteWarrior » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:33 am
[quote="ss4songoku"]Even if he could he wouldn't do it. If he didn't get the distance from the sun or any other star just right the whole population would either burn up or freeze not to mention that Goku has to sense ki first, there's not likely to be one floating in space that exact distance from a star. Just realized someone said the same thing lol. I thought I had a good thing to add

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not true, in one of the akira toriyama interviews he stated that instant transmission can also be used/triggered by thinking of a particular place you want to go. also in the new tarbles episode even though it was a filler or whatever goku was able to teleport entire crew to his own house even though nobody was there at that time since they left to mr.satan's party
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by Low Tone G » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:44 am
EliteWarrior wrote:ss4songoku wrote:Even if he could he wouldn't do it. If he didn't get the distance from the sun or any other star just right the whole population would either burn up or freeze not to mention that Goku has to sense ki first, there's not likely to be one floating in space that exact distance from a star. Just realized someone said the same thing lol. I thought I had a good thing to add

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not true, in one of the akira toriyama interviews he stated that instant transmission can also be used/triggered by thinking of a particular place you want to go. also in the new tarbles episode even though it was a filler or whatever goku was able to teleport entire crew to his own house even though nobody was there at that time since they left to mr.satan's party
Please share me a link, or quote Toriyama's words that Goku is able to do that! I'm really curious.
English is not my first language!
I'm still waiting for Dragon Ball in Super...
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by EliteWarrior » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:14 pm
Low Tone G wrote:EliteWarrior wrote:ss4songoku wrote:Even if he could he wouldn't do it. If he didn't get the distance from the sun or any other star just right the whole population would either burn up or freeze not to mention that Goku has to sense ki first, there's not likely to be one floating in space that exact distance from a star. Just realized someone said the same thing lol. I thought I had a good thing to add

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not true, in one of the akira toriyama interviews he stated that instant transmission can also be used/triggered by thinking of a particular place you want to go. also in the new tarbles episode even though it was a filler or whatever goku was able to teleport entire crew to his own house even though nobody was there at that time since they left to mr.satan's party
Please share me a link, or quote Toriyama's words that Goku is able to do that! I'm really curious.
no problem its from the daizenshuu 4 article in the martial artist section. Akira Toriyama is being asked a question
Which techniques would you like to learn?
and one of his replies was
2 — Shunkan-Idō (Instant Movement)
“Shunkan-Idō would probably be pretty good too. I could go to places I like just by thinking about them.”
here is a link to it
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... yama-best/