Majuub & Uubu; Naming Conventions

[Kaboom]

though he seems to get exponentially weaker as the story progresses).

Everybody did, save for maybe Goku and Gogeta.

In my "rewritten GT" fanfiction (Which I'll start writing soon! Promise!), Uuby-boy has mcuh bigger roles. One of the many things I'm 'correcting'

[VegettoEX]

We do not say "Videlu" (because we know the name pun; a rearranged word/name).

Why the Hell should we say "Uubu" (we know the name pun; a rearranged word/name)...?

As has been mentioned, the very process of calling him "Majuub" bothers the living daylights out of me. I always saw their "fusion" more along the lines of the Namekian type. After Piccolo absorbed both Nail and Kami, don't we still call him "Piccolo"? For crying out loud, Piccolo even makes fun of Goku in the damn show for trying to use a fusion-type name on him!

Fans, Uub is making fun of you behind your back when you call him "Uubu" or "Majuub".

[Sun_Wukong]

Majuub sounds like some foregin candy

[Kaboom]

We do not say "Videlu" (because we know the name pun; a rearranged word/name).

Then why do we say "Kuririn" instead of just "Krillin?"

[VegettoEX]

We do not say "Videlu" (because we know the name pun; a rearranged word/name).

Then why do we say "Kuririn" instead of just "Krillin?"

Because the latter is a name change exclusive to one company's dub (and their copycats) that has no relevance to the original name. Furthermore, that doesn't exactly compare to the example I used, which was a name with an extraneous "vowel-sound" at the end due to the way that Japanese syllables are pronounced.

ビーデル = bîderu = Videl

ウーブ = ûbu = Uub

I suppose you could bring in the fact that the "ru" and "l" sounds are somewhat interchangable, but they still have the extraneous vowel-sound when spoken/written in English.

[Olivier Hague]

Then why do we say "Kuririn"

Now, that's a good question. I guess people who spell the name that way want the "kuri" pun to be clearly visible...?

But really, I guess it should be either "Kulilin" (spelling seen on volume 21, I believe) or "Klilyn" (spelling generally seen on Japanese merchandise).
Maybe the "Kuririn" spelling is also used sometimes, but it would be fairly rare, then. Unless it was used by Toriyama himself, I don't see any good reason to use it over "Kulilin" or "Klilyn"...

instead of just "Krillin?"

I believe the "Krillin" spelling originated in the French dub, so...

[Conan the SSJ]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Viz translated-manga choose "Kuririn"?

[desirecampbell]

We do not say "Videlu" (because we know the name pun; a rearranged word/name).

Then why do we say "Kuririn" instead of just "Krillin?"

Because the pun is in "Kuririn" and not "Krillin" (something about chestnuts, I don't know the word, something about the 'kur' part).

The ending-vowel thing brings up my confusion about "Kakaratto". I understand why 'Kakarot' is fine - and I understand that the Japanese language requires vowel endings on most words (or an 'n', or something) - and because it's just a part of the language, and not part of the pun, I would not contest 'Kakarot' as the correct name.

But I would contest it if the 'o' was not just superfluous. Which brings me to my question: When Broly yells "Kakarotto~~o!" it leads me to believe that the 'o' is an important part of the name. Could Broly have just as easily stressed the previous vowel? If he could, then 'Kakarot' is definitely the name - but his prominent use of the trailing 'o' confuses me.

[Duo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Viz translated-manga choose "Kuririn"?

That would be correct. Steven J Simmons also uses that spelling.

Based on the way I hear them pronounce his name in the Japanese version, I think it sounds more like R's than L's.

[VegettoEX]

The ending-vowel thing brings up my confusion about "Kakaratto". I understand why 'Kakarot' is fine - and I understand that the Japanese language requires vowel endings on most words (or an 'n', or something) - and because it's just a part of the language, and not part of the pun, I would not contest 'Kakarot' as the correct name.

But I would contest it if the 'o' was not just superfluous. Which brings me to my question: When Broly yells "Kakarotto~~o!" it leads me to believe that the 'o' is an important part of the name. Could Broly have just as easily stressed the previous vowel? If he could, then 'Kakarot' is definitely the name - but his prominent use of the trailing 'o' confuses me.

Here's how I've always thought of it.

Ignore Japanese for a second. Yell at me. Yell at my really loud and long. What would you say? Probably something like, "Miiiiiiiiiiiiiike!" Does that mean there's an extended vowel in there, though? Not really; it's just a quirk of the spoken language.

That's how I've always seen Broli's yell of "Kakarot-to"; he's emphasizing that last syllable in some type of anger/madness/insanity. You'll notice that no other character puts that extra emphasis on it when speaking that name (Bardock, Vegeta, Nappa, etc.).

Getting back to "Kuririn", I really don't see how there can be any type of debate on what to call him (beyond being a dubbie and only knowing those names; whatever). Toriyama's not exactly the best at written English, so fans typically just throw his spellings out the window; they just further confuse things. Also, it's not like Oda's very explicit spellings of names in One Piece... Toriyama just occasionally tosses things out there on clothing, and such. Different types of Japanese merchandise are just as inconsistent ("Ghourd" and "Begeta", anyone?).

"Kuririn": (01) is a direct romanization of the Japanese, (02) does not contain any extraneous syllables or sounds when romanized, (03) leaves the name pun intact (栗 = kuri = "chestnut"), (04) is the official spelling by the translators for FUNimation & Viz (and better yet, Viz at the point in time when they weren't changing names and digitally editing).

[Olivier Hague]

I understand why 'Kakarot' is fine

It's not that fine, as we end up with an unexplained final "o" in "Vegetto".

I would contest it if the 'o' was not just superfluous.

Nobody said it was. On the contrary, it looks like it should be there. Or we wouldn't have "Vegetto", as said above.

Which brings me to my question: When Broly yells "Kakarotto~~o!" it leads me to believe that the 'o' is an important part of the name. Could Broly have just as easily stressed the previous vowel?

I think they just tend to stress the last vowel (whether it would be there in another language or not).

Based on the way I hear them pronounce his name in the Japanese version, I think it sounds more like R's than L's.

Well, it's neither, so...

Toriyama's not exactly the best at written English, so fans typically just throw his spellings out the window; they just further confuse things.

Er... What does English have to do with anything, here?
And if anybody should decide what the proper alphabet spellings of the names are, that would be Toriyama, in my opinion.

Different types of Japanese merchandise are just as inconsistent ("Ghourd" and "Begeta", anyone?).

Agreed for "Begeta". But it's "Vegeta" 95% of the time, really. Most probably the usual "V"/"B" mistake.
As for "Ghourd", I don't think I've ever seen that name spelled differently on Japanese merchandise.

"Kuririn": (01) is a direct romanization of the Japanese, (02) does not contain any extraneous syllables or sounds when romanized

So it makes sense, and it's simple... but that doesn't necessarily mean it's "the correct spelling" (if such a thing exists at all, natually).

(03) leaves the name pun intact (栗 = kuri = "chestnut"),

Yes, but should it be left intact? We don't know, do we?

(04) is the official spelling by the translators for FUNimation & Viz (and better yet, Viz at the point in time when they weren't changing names and digitally editing).

But it's not the spelling used by Toriyama, and it's not the spelling generally used by Shûeisha/Tôei.

All I'm saying is that it certainly is a valid spelling... if you choose to ignore the fact that there are two other valid spellings that are arguably far more "official".

[VegettoEX]

All I'm saying is that it certainly is a valid spelling... if you choose to ignore the fact that there are two other valid spellings that are arguably far more "official".

Oh, I agree... the inconsistency among them and relation to who's producing those spellings, however, comes into GREAT play when actually deciding which is more appropriate for use, and there certainly can't be much debate about that.

Yes, but should it be left intact? We don't know, do we?

Why not? We're not writing "Bideru" and "Seru", are we?

[Castor Troy]

Why not? We're not writing "Bideru" and "Seru", are we?

Only the "hardcore" fans who call themselves "Torankusu" and "Gureto Saiyaman".

[Olivier Hague]

All I'm saying is that it certainly is a valid spelling... if you choose to ignore the fact that there are two other valid spellings that are arguably far more "official".

Oh, I agree... the inconsistency among them and relation to who's producing those spellings, however, comes into GREAT play when actually deciding which is more appropriate for use, and there certainly can't be much debate about that.

Well, if Toriyama uses "Kulilin", who's to argue that he's "wrong"? He's the one who came up with the name in the first place...

Yes, but should it be left intact? We don't know, do we?

Why not? We're not writing "Bideru" and "Seru", are we?

I wasn't saying that in a "direct romaji transliteration VS spelling that shows the pun" sense.
What I meant was that, just like the katakana spellings are sometimes "altered" from the original words the names are based on ("gyûnyû" -> "ginyû", for example), the alphabet spelling might also be supposed to be altered in a way or another. The pun might not be supposed to be left intact in alphabet.

Let's take "buruma", for example. That name is based on the word "bloomer". And yet we're using the spelling "Bulma". Instead of, say, "Bluma", despite the fact that would make the pun more apparent.

[BrollysKin]

Where are these "R's" coming from? Buruma? Kuririn? How do they get turned into "L's"

[desirecampbell]

Where are these "R's" coming from? Buruma? Kuririn? How do they get turned into "L's"

The Japanese language doesn't make it easy to say 'L's or 'V's. That's why Piccolo is "Pikoro", Vegeta is "Begeta", Videl is "Bidel", Lunch is "Raunch", Bulma is "Buruma", and so on.

English has things like that too. Try saying 'Tsu'. It's one sound, but you'll probably prunounce it "T-Su". Languages are weird.

[Deus ex Machina]

All I'm saying is that it certainly is a valid spelling... if you choose to ignore the fact that there are two other valid spellings that are arguably far more "official".

Oh, I agree... the inconsistency among them and relation to who's producing those spellings, however, comes into GREAT play when actually deciding which is more appropriate for use, and there certainly can't be much debate about that.

Well, if Toriyama uses "Kulilin", who's to argue that he's "wrong"? He's the one who came up with the name in the first place...

I'll argue that he's wrong; the man tries, but has such a poor grasp of writting the english language that his spellings shouldn't be taken as official. Take into account the giant "WELL COME" sign above the check-in station.

[BrollysKin]

Where are these "R's" coming from? Buruma? Kuririn? How do they get turned into "L's"

The Japanese language doesn't make it easy to say 'L's or 'V's. That's why Piccolo is "Pikoro", Vegeta is "Begeta", Videl is "Bidel", Lunch is "Raunch", Bulma is "Buruma", and so on.

English has things like that too. Try saying 'Tsu'. It's one sound, but you'll probably prunounce it "T-Su". Languages are weird.

Thanks for helping clear that up

[desirecampbell]

I'll argue that he's wrong; the man tries, but has such a poor grasp of writting the english language that his spellings shouldn't be taken as official. Take into account the giant "WELL COME" sign above the check-in station.

I was actually thinking about that the other day. Maybe he didn't mean "Welcome!" but instead, "Well? Come (on)!". Yemma never seemed the 'welcoming' type, though he does seem like the 'yelling at you to hurry up' type.

Thanks for helping clear that up

Heh. Two classes of linguistics and four years of fansubs makes me feel pretty knowledgeable - don't let my confidence fool you into thinking I know what I'm talking about

[Olivier Hague]

I'll argue that he's wrong; the man tries, but has such a poor grasp of writting the english language that his spellings shouldn't be taken as official.

Again, I have to wonder what English has to do with that name.