DEATH BATTLE: Majin Boo vs Kirby!

[Hugo Boss]

Plus I know some people like to say Cell was lying about having enough power to blow away the solar system but in that regard I have to ask, Why? What reason could Cell have to lie to Gohan when everything was in his favor anyway. The only scapegoat the heroes had (Goku) was dead, Cell's only competition was not only crippled but on the verge of giving up AND no else at that moment stood a chance.

I don't think Cell was lying, he could be overestimating himself to destroy Gohan's mind. But in case he was telling the truth, it doesn't look like he would destroy the solar system with one kamehameha, because as you told it wasn't directed to it. Well, I don't think it is really possible for him to direct his kamehameha to the solar system as a target, the guidebook that confirmed this should have just picked that information and given its interpretation, which I am not obligated to follow, right? For me it's more likely Cell or Beerus would destroy the solar system by erasing every single planet individually like Beerus did in his movie.

[mAcChaos]

Plus I know some people like to say Cell was lying about having enough power to blow away the solar system but in that regard I have to ask, Why? What reason could Cell have to lie to Gohan when everything was in his favor anyway. The only scapegoat the heroes had (Goku) was dead, Cell's only competition was not only crippled but on the verge of giving up AND no else at that moment stood a chance.

I don't think Cell was lying, he could be overestimating himself to destroy Gohan's mind. But in case he was telling the truth, it doesn't look like he would destroy the solar system with one kamehameha, because as you told it wasn't directed to it. Well, I don't think it is really possible for him to direct his kamehameha to the solar system as a target, the guidebook that confirmed this should have just picked that information and given its interpretation, which I am not obligated to follow, right? For me it's more likely Cell or Beerus would destroy the solar system by erasing every single planet individually like Beerus did in his movie.

Any of the Z fighters could do that though, even as early as the Saiyan Saga. Having enough power to erase them one by one, that is.

So it would make no sense for that to be what it means.

[RandomGuy96]

He almost certainly just meant that he'd blow up the Sun:

1. It contains 99.9% of the solar system's mass

2. The destruction of the sun would destroy the closer planets as a side effect.

3. Without the "solar", there is no solar system.

4. He specifically said he gathered enough POWER to blow it away. The guidebook uses the same wording. They both emphasize the destructive power of his Kamehameha, not the shape or trajectory.

[rereboy]

Any of the Z fighters could do that though, even as early as the Saiyan Saga. Having enough power to erase them one by one, that is.

So it would make no sense for that to be what it means.

Not really. Earth is small compared to the big stuff of the Solar System. For example, it would take 1321,3 Earths just to fill up a volume of Jupiter's size. And it would take 1.3 million Earths to fill up a volume of size of the Sun.

So, with quick math, if 18.000 in power level is the minimum to destroy the Earth, it would take a power level of 23.4 billion to destroy the sun (18.000 x 1.3 million). And it would take a power level of 23.78 million to destroy Jupiter (18.000 x 1321,3).

[mAcChaos]

You should look at Roshi destroying the moon, then compare that to Earth, and go from there.

But I see your point.

[rereboy]

You should look at Roshi destroying the moon, then compare that to Earth, and go from there.

But I see your point.

The volume of Earth is about 49 times the volume of the moon. So, 18.000 : 49 = 367. Which is not that far off from Roshi's power level, actually. So, in a purely coincidental way, these numbers seem somewhat validated

Actually, it would be more correct to talk about mass, instead of volume, but the numbers wouldn't differ greatly. For example, in terms of mass, Earth has around 81 times more mass than the moon. So, 18.000 : 81 = 222. Which fits even better with Roshi's 100% Kamehameha.

In terms of mass the Sun has 333.000 times as much mass as the Earth. So, 18.000 x 333.000 = 5.994 billion. A significant change in this case compared to the math with volume. Mass is more correct, though, I believe.

[RandomGuy96]

The volume of Earth is about 49 times the volume of the moon. So, 18.000 : 49 = 367. Which is not that far off from Roshi's power level, actually. So, in a purely coincidental way, these numbers seem somewhat validated

Actually, it would be more correct to talk about mass, instead of volume, but the numbers wouldn't differ greatly. For example, in terms of mass, Earth has around 81 times more mass than the moon. So, 18.000 : 81 = 222. Which fits even better with Roshi's 100% Kamehameha.

It should be noted that it was Buff Roshi that destroyed the moon, and we don't know how strong he is. The weakest character who we know can destroy the moon is Raditz-era Piccolo, at 408. Considering he did it casually, that'd validate the 367 number... of course, that 367 number wouldn't make sense given the MASSIVE difference between city busting and moon busting. Daimao was only a city buster, and his power was directly compared to a small nuclear bomb by one of the guidebooks.

[Also, Roshi's buff form completely disappears after the first two gag-focused arcs. His buff form REALLY would have helped against Daimao if he had it. But he said he couldn't do anything to Daimao without using the Mafuba.]

[rereboy]

His buff form is impractical in battle. Too slow and easily avoidable, I imagine. It probably would only be useful if the opponent was pinned down.

But the math that is more logical is regarding mass, and regarding mass, he would only need 222, and I don't see why he couldn't reach that power during his impractical 100% Kamehameha.

[RandomGuy96]

His buff form is impractical in battle. Too slow and easily avoidable, I imagine. It probably would only be useful if the opponent was pinned down.

But the math that is more logical is regarding mass, and regarding mass, he would only need 222, and I don't see why he couldn't reach that power during his impractical 100% Kamehameha.

It seems more like he just doesn't have it after the 21st Budokai:

Chapter: 97, P10.1-6
Bulma: “That boy just keeps getting stronger, doesn’t he?”
Yamcha: “He’s quite a fellow indeed.”
Kame-sennin: “He may even be stronger than me at this point…”
Kuririn: “W-What--?! Are you serious--?!”
Kame-sennin: “He wiped out the entire Red Ribbon Army on his own…I don’t think even I have the stamina to take on such a large military force"
[He could just blow away the entire base with his mountain-busting buff Kamehameha]

Chapter: 142, P4.2
Context: Tenshinhan wants to fight Piccolo
Kame-sennin: “I understand how you feel, but his strength far surpasses the imagination. Even if we ganged up on him, we couldn’t possibly take him.”
[He could just blast Daimao with his buff Kamehameha; Daimao would just laugh and let him do it. Or he could get Ten to hold him.]

[rereboy]

He's talking about taking them on like Goku did. Besides, he wouldn't be able to approach them at leisure without being attacked, Goku went in there on his super fast cloud and still was attacked. So, I think he's talking about actually pulling it off, not that he wouldn't be able to blow the base if he hit it with that attack.

Also, obviously no one is strong enough to hold Daimao. And if Roshi's attack was indeed dangerous to Daimao, he would realize it and dodge like he tried to do with the Mafuba, only the Mafuba appears to be much more effective at catching the opponent than a Kamehameha blast (since we saw the Kamehameha being dodged multiple times, but never the Mafuba).

[Black_Liger]

if kirby can use his copy ablities, Buu can use his absoprtion. if Goku somehow uses the fruit for hyper nova or any copy abilities, while they put majin buu with no absorption, Death battle will officially become IDIOTS in my mind.

[RandomGuy96]

He's talking about taking them on like Goku did. Besides, he wouldn't be able to approach them at leisure without being attacked, Goku went in there on his super fast cloud and still was attacked. So, I think he's talking about actually pulling it off, not that he wouldn't be able to blow the base if he hit it with that attack.

Also, obviously no one is strong enough to hold Daimao. And if Roshi's attack was indeed dangerous to Daimao, he would realize it and dodge like he tried to do with the Mafuba, only the Mafuba appears to be much more effective at catching the opponent than a Kamehameha blast (since we saw the Kamehameha being dodged multiple times, but never the Mafuba).

He never said anything about HOW he would take out the base. He just said he couldn't do it, while Goku could. If he could have just blown up the entire base with one shot from miles away, then he'd be lying when he says he couldn't take on that small army.

We never saw the Mafuba being dodged because both times it was used Piccolo just stood there. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to dodge the Mafuba if he can dodge the Kamehameha.

[rereboy]

He just said he couldn't do it

He says it as he's referring to Goku and how he did it. He even stated "stamina" rather than power and "large military force" rather than base or mountain, so, imo he's talking about how he wouldn't have the stamina to take them on like Goku did and that's why maybe he surpassed him. He isn't even sure if he has indeed surpass him, he just says that he might have.

And no, Daimao ran for his life when Roshi used the Mafuba. Roshi still hit him with it despite the difference in speed between them. Meanwhile, the Kamehameha has always been dodgedable. For example, off the top of my head, I remember Roshi not dodging Tenshinhan's Kamehameha on purpose because if he did it would hit the audience.

[RandomGuy96]

He just said he couldn't do it

He says it as he's referring to Goku and how he did it. He even stated "stamina" rather than power and "large military force" rather than base or mountain, so, imo he's talking about how he wouldn't have the stamina to take them on like Goku did and that's why maybe he surpassed him. He isn't even sure if he has indeed surpass him, he just says that he might have.

And no, Daimao ran for his life when Roshi used the Mafuba. Roshi still hit him with it despite the difference in speed between them. Meanwhile, the Kamehameha has always been dodgedable. For example, off the top of my head, I remember Roshi not dodging Tenshinhan's Kamehameha on purpose because if he did it would hit the audience.

Stamina is used as a synonym for power all the time, so that doesn't mean much. He said, in a very straight and unambiguous manner, that he couldn't take a military force as large as the one Goku took. This doesn't make sense if he can actually do it easily, by just blowing them all up from miles away (mountain busting is at least as strong as city busting, and that's the weakest showing of his buff Kamehameha).

Didn't catch that. But still, if the Kamehameha could kill Daimao, then just having someone hold him would be a totally practical option.

[rereboy]

Stamina is used as a synonym for power all the time, so that doesn't mean much. He said, in a very straight and unambiguous manner, that he couldn't take a military force as large as the one Goku took. This doesn't make sense if he can actually do it easily, by just blowing them all up from miles away (mountain busting is at least as strong as city busting, and that's the weakest showing of his buff Kamehameha).

Didn't catch that. But still, if the Kamehameha could kill Daimao, then just having someone hold him would be a totally practical option.

I've already stated my opinion on the matter. I think its perfectly logical, as I've explained. Especially when the alternative is to consider Roshi's words a plothole since the base itself was obviously not more resistant than a mountain or the moon. So, I don't see the sense in not taking Roshi's words as I've stated.

Nobody would be able to hold him. If Tenshinhan was holding him, as soon as Daimao saw that he was in danger, he would use his full power, tear Tenshinhan apart and dodge. We all saw how helpless Goku was against him when Piccolo got serious in their fight, Tenshinhan wouldn't be any better.

[Hugo Boss]

Any of the Z fighters could do that though, even as early as the Saiyan Saga. Having enough power to erase them one by one, that is.

So it would make no sense for that to be what it means.

Even if any Z Fighter can destroy a planet, it requires a good amount of stamina to destroy a large number of them. I think it makes more sense for Cell to mean that than to blow away something he wasn't targeting. At this rate, we could even say Boo has energy to erase the entire universe as he can actually one shot the universe, which is weird.

[sangofe]

What if Boo absorbed Kirby quickly?

[dbzfan7]

Boo preview video is up

I really hope destroying planets is not considered tough for Boo, cause I keep hearing world destroyer, but that's a joke to Boo. Vegeta in the Saiyan saga is a world destroyer, and at the highest low ball Freeza in first form is a world destroyer.

[Lord Beerus]

Boo preview video is up

I really hope destroying planets is not considered tough for Boo, cause I keep hearing world destroyer, but that's a joke to Boo. Vegeta in the Saiyan saga is a world destroyer, and at the highest low ball Freeza in first form is a world destroyer.

This is Death Battle were taking about. They lost all of their credibility when they stated that Rainbow Dash could defeat Starscream. That's right, in the eyes of Screw Attack's Death Battle, a barely four foot high Pegasus is more of a match against a giant transforming robot built with machine guns and rockets... go figure.

[RandomGuy96]

Boo preview video is up

I really hope destroying planets is not considered tough for Boo, cause I keep hearing world destroyer, but that's a joke to Boo. Vegeta in the Saiyan saga is a world destroyer, and at the highest low ball Freeza in first form is a world destroyer.

Going by their (completely idiotic) calculations for Goku vs Superman, they believe SS3 Goku (who is roughly equal to two forms of Buu, and far below the others) is many times over mere planet busting level. Specifically, they say SS3 Goku can muster 3.4 sextillion megatons of TNT equivalent (which would be 3.4 million exatons, though I could be off) and survive that much in turn, compared to 53 quadrillion megatons/53,000 exatons just to destroy the Earth, a difference of more than x64,000... would it have killed them to use a larger unit? Anyway, that shouldn't be anything to worry about it. Actually, according to those same (completely idiotic) calculations, Super Buu and above should be FTL based on the Super Saiyan multipliers and the statements and feats comparing Goku and Gotenks.