Just how strong is Videl?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:16 pm

desirecampbell wrote:I wouldn't give a "power level" Videl more than a couple hundred. Videl could probably beat Roshi, but I'd have a hard time believing she could take down anyone stronger.

No way. Roshi would kick her ass in a real fight.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:59 pm

Rocketman wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:I wouldn't give a "power level" Videl more than a couple hundred. Videl could probably beat Roshi, but I'd have a hard time believing she could take down anyone stronger.
No way. Roshi would kick her ass in a real fight.

Yep, as Roshi has a lot more experience as a fighter.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:39 pm

Kame'Sen-nin was capable of moving faster than the average human eye could follow, could blow up a mountain AND the moon, and was able to challenge the mighty Tenshinhan to a great match at the 22'nd Tenka'ichi Budokai.

Videl can fly.

There is no comparison.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:02 am

Whoa, whoa whoa. Videl could NEVER beat Roshi. Ever. He can catch multiple bullets as well. Roshi, is the man.

Panda · Post by **Panda** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:46 am

I agree Roshi is much stronger and more experienced. Not to mention, he can use ki which is something we've all pretty much agreed on that Videl doesn't use as frequently.

What would be very intereting 9maybe in a post-GT fanfic or something) is Videl training under Roshi. I think she'd benefit a ton from that plus she'd come out with a better understanding of the way our heros strength is.

(Or she could do what he BF did and train under Piccolo... but at that point he was a bit more of a softy so I think Roshi is the better option here...)

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:02 am

Can we just say I concede the point? My ass hurts from the verbal rapeage.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:01 am

Danged whippersnappers! I should take on that little pichi-pichi gal right now, and show you what I can do!

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Okay, seriously, folks, the only thing that can be said conclusively is that Videl is stronger than her father but weaker than 'Majin Spopovich'. And Broli for that matter.

We know that Mr. Satan is the strongest martial artist to enter the tournament since the old days, so he's probably surpasses much of the weaker compitition we've seen. Like Panputt for example. So we pretty much know Videl is the most likely contender for a tournament of 'regular' fighters with no ki usage. (I'm excluding Yajirobe here, by the way)

The question one should ask is how strong is Majin Spopovich? Well, he can fly and shoot kikohas. Just considering strength alone, he's probably stronger than the not yet 'Z-Fighters' in some of the earlier tournaments. For arguments sake, we'll make a general assumption that he was around the same strength as some of those early tournament contenders, like young Kuririn or Yamucha in their earlier tournament appearences.

There's really no proof one way or the other of this statement, but my point is that it seems pretty likely that Videl's strength lies somewhere between those two points.

S it seems in all likelihood that if Videl were to be in an old school tournament, she's easily make it past the pre-lims assuming her opponents were all normal, but the finals would prove difficult if not impossible for her to win.

But she does have a lot of wasted potential. I think it's mostly because of her age and upbringing. I'm sure she would have been able to endure training from Muten Roshi at the same age that Goku and Kuririn did, and she probably would have arisin to 'Z-Fighter' status. Heck, even in her teenage years, I'd say it's likely she'd get to that level of strength if she recieved that kind of serious training from someone and continued on with that.

The easiest comparrison to make would probably be between her and Kuririn. They were both 'normal' fighters with lots of obvious potential. The only difference is that Kuririn had the tutilage to bring his out and was determined to do so. Videl seemed content with learning bukujutsu.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:42 am

A bit of my "personal canon" is that Gohan eventually got around to teaching her the Kamehameha.

They should give her a weakened version for the games, like 1/2 or 1/3 damage.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:47 am

desirecampbell wrote:
GI_Judd2287 wrote:That's because Cell didn't hit Mr. Satan with all his might. He swatted him aside like a fly.
Exactly. Just because these people are unfathomably powerful doesn't mean they throw their whole weight into each attack.

I wouldn't give a "power level" Videl more than a couple hundred. Videl could probably beat Roshi, but I'd have a hard time believing she could take down anyone stronger.

I understand your point about Cell not using all of his weight to attack but what about Chibi Buu? I'm sure he wasn't holding back when he hit Satan. I think Satan is basically a 'gag' character so everything that would make sense doesn't.Also, there is no way Videl could beat Roshi. Either you are hyping her up way to much, you clearly don't remember enough about Roshi through DragonBall, or a horrible combination of both.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:59 am

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote: The question one should ask is how strong is Majin Spopovich? Well, he can fly and shoot kikohas. Just considering strength alone, he's probably stronger than the not yet 'Z-Fighters' in some of the earlier tournaments. For arguments sake, we'll make a general assumption that he was around the same strength as some of those early tournament contenders, like young Kuririn or Yamucha in their earlier tournament appearences.

Spopovich is a weird character (plus I hate spelling his name so now he is Dan.) I believe in the manga, Goku says that he can't sense his ki. Dan can use his ki in ways like flying and 'blasting' Videl. I think he would do well in the Old DragonBall tourneys, up until the 22nd Budokai IMO. He would probably be able to beat Goku, I don't know how likely this would be, but if he had to face Tenshinhan there would be no way he would win. Ten was more skilled and experienced than Goku and I'm sure even though Dan was a figher, he couldn't match up to that status even with a powerup from Babidi/Bobodi(sp lol).

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:17 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote: The question one should ask is how strong is Majin Spopovich? Well, he can fly and shoot kikohas. Just considering strength alone, he's probably stronger than the not yet 'Z-Fighters' in some of the earlier tournaments. For arguments sake, we'll make a general assumption that he was around the same strength as some of those early tournament contenders, like young Kuririn or Yamucha in their earlier tournament appearences.
Spopovich is a weird character (plus I hate spelling his name so now he is Dan.) I believe in the manga, Goku says that he can't sense his ki. Dan can use his ki in ways like flying and 'blasting' Videl. I think he would do well in the Old DragonBall tourneys, up until the 22nd Budokai IMO. He would probably be able to beat Goku, I don't know how likely this would be, but if he had to face Tenshinhan there would be no way he would win. Ten was more skilled and experienced than Goku and I'm sure even though Dan was a figher, he couldn't match up to that status even with a powerup from Babidi/Bobodi(sp lol).

Well, Spopovich's strength is even more uncertain than Videl's but my point is that if we assume he was around the strength of the stronger fighters in the earliest tournaments, then it falls into place that Videl's strength, compared to the fighters in those tournaments, is somewhere between that of the 'normal' fighters and the stronger warriors like Goku or Jackie Chun.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:10 pm

I've always pegged Videl as being around the physical strength level of Roshi. Now, before anyone comes along with more of the "Roshi can blow up mountains and part of the moon!" stuff, that's Ki, not physical strength. I'm talking about things like what Goku and Krillin did with moving the rock. Also, I said 'around'. As in somewhere near it but not the same.

I'd say that Videl could, in a straight out fist fight, have won the 21st Budokai barring perhaps Goku and Rohshi's presences. She would have had considerable trouble with them and probably only a 20% or so chance of winning. Meanwhile Hercule would be around the level of Namu (he'd have to be or he'd never have become champion in the first place).

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:36 pm

Xyex wrote:I've always pegged Videl as being around the physical strength level of Roshi. Now, before anyone comes along with more of the "Roshi can blow up mountains and part of the moon!" stuff, that's Ki, not physical strength. I'm talking about things like what Goku and Krillin did with moving the rock. Also, I said 'around'. As in somewhere near it but not the same.

I'd say that Videl could, in a straight out fist fight, have won the 21st Budokai barring perhaps Goku and Rohshi's presences. She would have had considerable trouble with them and probably only a 20% or so chance of winning. Meanwhile Mr. Satan would be around the level of Namu (he'd have to be or he'd never have become champion in the first place).

Isn't physical strength and Ki basically the same thing, though? (Except for certain and specific Ki attacks, the fighter can build even more energy into the attack - I.E., Kamehame-Ha, Special Beam Cannon, Kikoho, etc.) Now I could see Videl actually giving Roshi a probable decent match, but overall even if Roshi were to not use Ki attacks, he'd still win with all the experience he's had over the years (being trained by Mutaito, going into battle with the ferocious Piccolo Daimao, getting training from Karin, etc.) and that's comparing to Videl's probable 15 years of training under Mr. Satan and (correct me if I'm wrong) 20 days of flight training with Gohan. It just seems that she'd be pretty darn outclassed in the long run, now if she pulled a Ranfan and stripped in the middle of the ring, that's a different story.

Also, Mr. Piccolo, there is such a thing as editing your post. No need to put up another post barely 12 minutes later when there hasn't even been a reply yet. Just a tip.

Panda · Post by **Panda** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:00 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi

Ki is basically energy. It has little to do with physical strength as it is more about controling the energy within your body to manipluate yourself and your invironment.

Basically, ki and strength are two different things that can make the other one more efficient if used properly.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:52 pm

I was always under the impression that DB Characters' physical strength (especially at later points) were somewhat proportional to, or acheived through the use of their ki.

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Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:16 pm

There is a big difference between ki 'wielding' and strength in dragonball.

Conan the SSJ wrote: Also, Mr. Piccolo, there is such a thing as editing your post. No need to put up another post barely 12 minutes later when there hasn't even been a reply yet. Just a tip.

My irriated side would respond with a prompt f*ck off, Conan. But my smart side responds with thanks for the 'tip'.

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Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:32 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:My irriated side would respond with a prompt f*ck off, Conan. But my smart side responds with thanks for the 'tip'. [/off-topic]

Alright, there's no need for that first sentence, absolutely no need. If you think I was being an ass pointing out an easily obvious way to do something on the board (especially to someone like you who seems to know his way around here), then just say so. Don't go marginalizing it in some "If I was gonna do something, I'd do it like this," crap. I was trying to be nice about it and didn't make fun like possibly a couple other people on the board may, and you go and throw an insult like that at me. Excuse me for not taking it laying down you ignorant jackass. If you have sour feelings about me, take it up in a PM.

Mike, my apologies that I had to throw a flame like that on your forum.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:05 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:My irriated side would respond with a prompt f*ck off, Conan. But my smart side responds with thanks for the 'tip'. [/off-topic]
Alright, there's no need for that first sentence, absolutely no need. If you think I was being an ass pointing out an easily obvious way to do something on the board (especially to someone like you who seems to know his way around here), then just say so. Don't go marginalizing it in some "If I was gonna do something, I'd do it like this," crap. I was trying to be nice about it and didn't make fun like possibly a couple other people on the board may, and you go and throw an insult like that at me. Excuse me for not taking it laying down you ignorant jackass. If you have sour feelings about me, take it up in a PM.

Mike, my apologies that I had to throw a flame like that on your forum.

Well, even if you were trying to help out and I responded in an immature way, I guess the next logical step is to rant and bitch about it? I mean some guy from Ohio calling me an ignorant jackass is like my biggest pet peeve

.. I think the back and forth bickering is pointless, but if thats what you get off on do what you will, I won't respond. But if you have sour feelings for me, follow your own advice and take it up in a PM. Before I go, I will point out that my previous post was pointless but your ranting was unneccessary as well.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:00 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Well, even if you were trying to help out and I responded in an immature way, I guess the next logical step is to rant and bitch about it? I mean some guy from Ohio calling me an ignorant jackass is like my biggest pet peeve .. I think the back and forth bickering is pointless, but if thats what you get off on do what you will, I won't respond. But if you have sour feelings for me, follow your own advice and take it up in a PM. Before I go, I will point out that my previous post was pointless but your ranting was unneccessary as well.

Thank God for you and your sarcastic sensibility, man. Will you go talk to Godo and Hague in General Discussion's Tenshinhan thread for me?

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:58 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:Well, even if you were trying to help out and I responded in an immature way, I guess the next logical step is to rant and bitch about it? I mean some guy from Ohio calling me an ignorant jackass is like my biggest pet peeve .. I think the back and forth bickering is pointless, but if thats what you get off on do what you will, I won't respond. But if you have sour feelings for me, follow your own advice and take it up in a PM. Before I go, I will point out that my previous post was pointless but your ranting was unneccessary as well.
Thank God for you and your sarcastic sensibility, man. Will you go talk to Godo and Hague in General Discussion's Tenshinhan thread for me?

No need, it should be cleared out now.

BTW Videl coudn't make it against an opponent just as strong but with Ki-attacks. Just logical.