Interesting point about anime fan's dislike of DBZ

omae no kaasan · Post by **omae no kaasan** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:12 am

Cool. What number are they up to in Japan (assuming that the US Shonen Jump ones are equivalent)?

Volume 32 was released at the start of last month. So in America you just have...well, a few more years before it gets caught up.

Word to the wise.

One Piece is a typical as typical may be manga until Vol. 9. Yes it is interesting, has badass characters as well as funny and cute scenarios, all that junk. Any number of manga out there today fit that description.

If anyone is going to read OP I would only ask this of them. Before you ever make any judgement whatsoever with respect to the storyline, how Oda develops and handles his characters, the fighting, etc. hold your tongue until you reach Vol. 9.

You know a manga is amazing when it makes a male college student weep like Niagra Falls.

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:06 am

I really hope Jump USA has a format change soon. That or they take OP out of the magazine, just because all the titles in the magazine have an absurdly slow graphic novel release compared to the ones not in it.

Most of my favorite series in the magazine I find myself hoping get removed from it, so that they can go to the one volume per 6-8 weeks release pattern that most of the series Viz has use, as compared to the 1 volume per 4-5 months pattern the titles in the magazine have.

That or they at least start giving us 4 chapters a month for most of the stories.

tablet the eunuch · Post by **tablet the eunuch** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:59 am

Kodoshin wrote:I really hope Jump USA has a format change soon. That or they take OP out of the magazine, just because all the titles in the magazine have an absurdly slow graphic novel release compared to the ones not in it.

Most of my favorite series in the magazine I find myself hoping get removed from it, so that they can go to the one volume per 6-8 weeks release pattern that most of the series Viz has use, as compared to the 1 volume per 4-5 months pattern the titles in the magazine have.

That or they at least start giving us 4 chapters a month for most of the stories.

I would rather them take their time and release OP slowly without errors than trying to push it out of their english-translation wombs regardless of errors or general fuckups.

But thats just me it seems.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:22 am

You're not alone, Gen.

Jerseymilk wrote:Anyway, he's just sooooo awesome, and his voice in the anime is done by Otani Ikue, the voice of Pikachu. As you can tell, I have a big Chopper problem.

Ikue Otani, huh? Yeah, I know him. My Pikachu's birthday is August 18, same as Ikue Otani. Just because I was lazy... Anyway, last names and first names of Japanese people piss me off and confuse me.

Changed your avatar again, hmm? You're probably caught up with me, unless no avatar counts as an avatar. If that's the case, I think you're ahead.

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:47 am

I would rather them take their time and release OP slowly without errors than trying to push it out of their english-translation wombs regardless of errors or general fuckups.

But thats just me it seems.

The series Viz have been releasing on the 6-8 week schedule, such as Kenshin and Basara have been very well done.

I think in general, normal printing errors are more of a threat to actually happen than something like a Tokyopop *shudder* translation job, even One Piece volume 2 had a large batch of them in it's initial release (printing errors that is).

Dai · Post by **Dai** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:09 am

Jerseymilk wrote:Yes, I forgot about Chrono Trigger. Love that one too! And Dai, you do know that that collection anime box of One Piece off of E-bay is a bootleg right?

HA! That's where you're wrong, my friend!! To admit, I was pretty worried about that when I first bid on it, but the fact is, it's complete, obliteratingly legit. It had all the proper copyright stuff, online sites for it, and whatnot. It contains the first 30 episodes of the entire series, and I had to pay about 20 bucks for it. It had the Japanese audio and the Chinese audio, with English and Chinese subtitles.

And I have two of them.

Which means the entire first 60 episodes of One Piece are mine. And I paid nothing over fourty bucks for it.

Now who's the dumb one?!?!?

NeverRamza · Post by **NeverRamza** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:09 pm

It's a bootleg. Any anime DVD you find off ebay or wherever that has both Chinese and English subtitles is always going to be a bootleg. These sets would never sell for such a price otherwise. There's an entire scene of people making and selling them out of Hong Kong. The copyright information was fabricated. Sorry dood.

Dai · Post by **Dai** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:58 pm

So you're saying every DVD made in China is a bootleg?

Riiiiightt....

To be honest, though, you can be all smarty pants for all your like, but it ain't bootleg. Even if it were, I could care less. The quality is brilliant, subtitles handled nicely, with plenty of extras, scene selection, beautiful covers... etc.

Just because it has Chinese subtitles with it doesn't mean it's a bootleg. And excuse me, but I own the thing, and I can at least slightly distinguish bootleg from official. Unless you take me to be a lying moronic bastard, in which case point taken.

Sorry to come over offending or anything, but I find it kind of annoying when people assume I own a bootleg, even though they've never seen it and it's painfully clearly not.

Just for the record.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:28 pm

Kodoshin wrote:I think in general, normal printing errors are more of a threat to actually happen than something like a Tokyopop *shudder* translation job, even One Piece volume 2 had a large batch of them in it's initial release (printing errors that is).

Such as what? I'm suddenly curious.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:05 pm

Zacko: Otani Ikue is a woman. And my avatar does show up doesn't it? I can see it anyway.

I don't want One Piece or any other of my favourite series to be taken out of Shonen Jump and only released as graphic novels. The reason being that with Viz's graphic novel-only releases, they have a habit of pulling the plug on them without even finishing up the series, when they feel they aren't selling well enough. And I know for a fact, that One Piece when compared to Yugi-Oh! and DBZ, even Naruto, is n't as popular. Viz did it to one of my favourite series Spriggan, renamed over here as Striker a few years ago. Boy I hate Viz's marketing and sales team! They have got to be one of the worst of all the companies!

I still disagree with you Dai, I'm sorry if I've insulted you, but there is no way, you would only have to pay twenty dollars for 30 episodes of a legal release of One Piece. Especially in Japan, DVDs will cost around $80 U.S. just for one DVD with, if you're lucky, 3, maybe 4 episodes of a series.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:09 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:Zacko: Otani Ikue is a woman. And my avatar does show up doesn't it? I can see it anyway.

I don't want One Piece or any other of my favourite series to be taken out of Shonen Jump and only released as graphic novels. The reason being that with Viz's graphic novel-only releases, they have a habit of pulling the plug on them without even finishing up the series, when they feel they aren't selling well enough. And I know for a fact, that One Piece when compared to Yugi-Oh! and DBZ, even Naruto, is n't as popular. Viz did it to one of my favourite series Spriggan, renamed over here as Striker a few years ago. Boy I hate Viz's marketing and sales team! They have got to be one of the worst of all the companies!

I still disagree with you Dai, I'm sorry if I've insulted you, but there is no way, you would only have to pay twenty dollars for 30 episodes of a legal release of One Piece. Especially in Japan, DVDs will cost around $80 U.S. just for one DVD with, if you're lucky, 3, maybe 4 episodes.

Yeah, Japanese DVD prices are a bitch. I looked around the Sasuga webpage ( www.sasugabooks.com ) and Rurouni Kenshin DVDs run for 60 bucks.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:12 pm

Sasuga Books is a really nice store though. They have nice manga and artbooks, at least.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:15 pm

Yeah, I love it. I actually ordered 4 Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon tankoubon yesterday. I've sorta fallen back into the obsession.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:35 pm

Also...

Dai wrote:So you're saying every DVD made in China is a bootleg?

Riiiiightt....

China has some of the highest cases of piracy in the developed world. Isn't there something like one legitimate copy of every piece of software for 1,000 copies?

If that's true, then yeah, an extremely large number of DVDs made in China are going to be bootlegs.

NeverRamza · Post by **NeverRamza** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:49 pm

Dai wrote:So you're saying every DVD made in China is a bootleg?

Riiiiightt....

To be honest, though, you can be all smarty pants for all your like, but it ain't bootleg. Even if it were, I could care less. The quality is brilliant, subtitles handled nicely, with plenty of extras, scene selection, beautiful covers... etc.

Just because it has Chinese subtitles with it doesn't mean it's a bootleg. And excuse me, but I own the thing, and I can at least slightly distinguish bootleg from official. Unless you take me to be a lying moronic bastard, in which case point taken.

Sorry to come over offending or anything, but I find it kind of annoying when people assume I own a bootleg, even though they've never seen it and it's painfully clearly not.

Just for the record.

There's about 3 DVD's in existance that are legit that have both Chinese and English subtitles. They're also region 3 encoded (it won't play on your standard DVD player) and you're never going to actually run into any of them... especially on ebay.

I've seen this discussion 10 thousand times (hence the fact that someone even made an image about it because it's that annoying to see it keep coming up). And no, you obviously can't tell the difference between a licensed DVD and a legit version. Bootlegging is a big thing in Hong Kong, they can come up with some nice looking cover art and such. They also know how to fake the copyright information that gets plastered at the bottom of each DVD they make. This bootlegging is a huge scene where there's very few legitment discs... and the legit discs do not have English subtitles and do not come at a dollar per episode.

There is absolutely no way in hell any Japanese creator would ever allow a region-free version like this to exist which is so cheap in any country. Our friends in Japan do not want to allow cheaper alternative versions to take away from the sales that they've already set. And the American companies would throw a bitch-fest if legitiment versions with English subtitles could be easily imported as opposed to the versions they licensed and shelled out money for themselves. There is absolutely and positively no way the DVD set you bought is legit. I've followed these things closely and I know exactly how the Hong Kong anime scene works.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:13 pm

I agree with NeverRamza, the Chinese have probably taken bootlegging to an art level they're so good at it! And it's really rampant there. China is cracking down on it more as of late, but these companies are really expert at avoiding being caught. It's the case sometimes for pirated CDs too. I have some DBZ ones, sorry EX, I bought them way back when I was less knowledgeable about piracy of CDs

, and even those actually have the original ISBN numbers on them from the original Columbia Japan copies, while at the bottom there's that familiar SM logo, everyone here I think knows that company!

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:59 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:Zacko: Otani Ikue is a woman. And my avatar does show up doesn't it? I can see it anyway.

Err... I knew that. I just forgot is all... No, I'm serious. I must have forgotten.

The avatar shows up for me... I think you misunderstood me. However, I don't want to figure it out again myself, so you're on your own if you want to figure it out.

So, yes. Chopper. I'm curious.

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:17 pm

Such as what? I'm suddenly curious.

The exact problem is described here:

http://www.viz.com/op2/

Basara also experienced a somewhat similar printing error, albeit on a larger scale in one batch of book #3 I think it was (the same page was repeated for many pages in a row).

But generally the books on the faster track release schedule seem to be doing at least as well as the slower release ones, I guess printing errors aren't really a time issue in any case, but they certainly seem like the most common problem for Viz.

omae no kaasan · Post by **omae no kaasan** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:11 pm

HA! That's where you're wrong, my friend!! To admit, I was pretty worried about that when I first bid on it, but the fact is, it's complete, obliteratingly legit. It had all the proper copyright stuff, online sites for it, and whatnot. It contains the first 30 episodes of the entire series, and I had to pay about 20 bucks for it. It had the Japanese audio and the Chinese audio, with English and Chinese subtitles.

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Want to know how to prove to yourself that the DVDs are fake? Purchase the latest release. The last episodes are usually of TV quality because the Japanese DVDs were not released at the time the HK rips were taken.

I purchased them as well full-well knowing that they were illegit and I was perfectly happy with my purchase. You get what you pay for. Yes you can get 100+ episodes for about 60 bucks or less, but you also come away with horrible rips, glitches and shoddy menus. It`s a decent trade off.

Dai · Post by **Dai** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:07 am

Yeah, but...

That's exactly what I'm trying to say.

The quality is excellent. Better even than some domestic DVD's I bought.

So, sure, it could very well be a bootleg, but if you'd have seen this, you'd be seriously doubting, just like me.

The menus are good looking and easy to navigate, the cover art is beautiful, and the quality of both video and audio is fantastic.

So of course I could be wrong here -- And I do understand the annoyingness of people desperately clinging on to DVD's not being bootleg when they are. But even if it would be bootleg.... Why is the quality so baffling?

That's the question I'm wrestling with, and which so far has managed to do pursuade me this is indeed not a bootleg.

But even if it were, with quality exceeding domestic releases and 30 episodes for less than 20 bucks, hell, I'm not complaining.

Kanzenshuu

Interesting point about anime fan's dislike of DBZ

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