Weekly Jump 1986 #37 Character Bio. Data

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:07 pm

rereboy wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
No, he is 6'3 and lies very blatantly about his height. He is very bulky, but that's because he's an actor and wrestler.

I have no idea why you think Captain America isn't superhuman. He performs blatantly superhuman feats all the time. It's like trying to say that Spider-Man isn't superhuman.
Obviously, I got his info from the internet. I didn't personally measure him. But, if he's actually shorter and weights that, then he's an even better example to demonstrate that Captain's America build is perfectly possible.

As for the rest...: "Captain America has no superhuman powers, but through the Super-Soldier Serum and "Vita-Ray" treatment, he is transformed and his strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, durability, and healing are at the zenith of natural human potential."

In other words, he's not officially recognized as super-human level, he just has been artificially pushed to the limits of human physical potential. Meaning that, even though no regular human will reach his feats naturally, he is also not quite at the super-human range, he is somewhere in the limit of the two realms.

Spider-man is clearly super-human.

No one's saying that it's impossible. There's just really no reason for it, especially considering what it would take to obtain and maintain a build like that. In some ways, it's actively detrimental to be that bulky.

Depends on the version, actually. I presume you got that from Wikipedia? Statements don't matter here when we consistently see him perform superhuman feats. Obviously, 'peak human' just means something different in the world of comics.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:12 pm

The reason is for his look to portray the perfect human specimen that he is supposed to symbolize and be very impressive.

Wiki is the easiest to find, but the exact statement doesn't matter. The fact is that he's been always regarded as this perfect specimen that has reached the limit of human potential with that experiment. Unlike most other super-heroes, he's not really regarded as super-human. His feats are above regular humans simply because nobody can reach the full human physical potential naturally.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:13 pm

rereboy wrote:Wiki is the easiest to find, but the exact statement doesn't matter. The fact is that he's been always regarded as this perfect specimen that has reached the limit of human potential with that experiment. Unlike most other super-heroes, he's not really regarded as super-human. His feats are above regular humans simply because nobody can reach the full human physical potential naturally.

He's repeatedly shown to be superhuman, and is supposed to be a super soldier. His feats, such as dodging bullets, casually tossing around full armored men with one arm, and kicking a guy hard enough to send him flying 30 feet, are simply not possible for any real life human.

The movie and TV versions of the character are less ridiculous, but are still blatantly superhuman.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:15 pm

Do we really NEED to have another debate break out in a neat little thread about translated character bios?

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:18 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
rereboy wrote:Wiki is the easiest to find, but the exact statement doesn't matter. The fact is that he's been always regarded as this perfect specimen that has reached the limit of human potential with that experiment. Unlike most other super-heroes, he's not really regarded as super-human. His feats are above regular humans simply because nobody can reach the full human physical potential naturally.
He's repeatedly shown to be superhuman, and is supposed to be a super soldier. His feats, such as bullet dodging, are simply not possible for any real life human.

Batman dodges bullets and does things that otherwise would be realistically impossible for a human. And he has no serum in his body. That is called exaggerated action, that's all. Action movies have it all the time and no one claims that the characters were actually super-human. What matters is how Captain America's abilities are regarded in-universe and I'm already told you how they are regarded.

And, as I've been warned, I'm ending this discussion now.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:20 pm

Batman dodges bullets and does things that otherwise would be realistically impossible for a human. And he has no serum in his body. That is called exaggerated action, that's all. Action movies have it all the time and no one claims that the characters were actually super-human. What matters is how Captain America's abilities are regarded in-universe and I'm already told you how they are regarded.

It's called 'being superhuman'. Mainstream comic Batman isn't a peak human either, at least not by real world standards. He's shown repeatedly to have ridiculous superpowers.

Kaboom wrote:Do we really NEED to have another debate break out in a neat little thread about translated character bios?

No, we don't. I'll stop.

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:32 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Captain America, because he actually is a soldier. Ideally, soldiers shouldn't be body builders. Even if he has superhuman stamina, there's no reason for him to be so bulky, unless he just never can increase or decrease certain attributes no matter what he does with his body. Which would be dumb.

Well his weight is that high straight after the super serum. Before the super serum he was a skinny runt who was 5" something and was well below the ideal weight or muscle constitution for his height.

RandomGuy96 wrote:I have no idea why you think Captain America isn't superhuman. He performs blatantly superhuman feats all the time. It's like trying to say that Spider-Man isn't superhuman.

Captain America is described as peak-human in all his attributes. The only inhuman things about him are his healing and his stamina. Also Batman in DC is also supposed to be peak-human but there are several feats by him that can be classed as superhuman feats. Like, for instance, Batman prying open Croc's mouth and breaking his jaw suggest that he is at least strong enough to bicep curl 2 tons. We have batman bench-pressing 1,000 lbs. Admittedly Captain America also did this with 1,200 lbs. But given the super serum formula increases stamina to nearly limitless levels I could slide and let his feat go. Even though it is pretty much a superhuman feat. I mean there is also a scene where Batman speaks to the reader(in his mind) that he can push 2,500 lbs with his legs. The heaviest leg press recorded is under 1,500 lbs. And that is with controlled distribution of the weight and a firm surface to do it on with an ideal posture. Batman does it in a half sit-up position on some train tracks.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:05 pm

The Captain America stuff is massively off-topic here.

Anyway, we've transferred everything to a proper translations page on the site.

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:08 am

...I'm amused by the simple fact that what Kuririn first started training in, assuming kenpo means kenpo karate, is exactly the same martial art that I took briefly when I was a kid.

The parallels between him and I just keep growing...

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:05 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:...I'm amused by the simple fact that what Kuririn first started training in, assuming kenpo means kenpo karate, is exactly the same martial art that I took briefly when I was a kid. The parallels between him and I just keep growing...

I would imagine you stuck with it though? It would seem Kuririn became a shaolin monk shortly after rendering his hole "doing it for the girls" thing mute.

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:24 am

Hitiro wrote:
Gyt Kaliba wrote:...I'm amused by the simple fact that what Kuririn first started training in, assuming kenpo means kenpo karate, is exactly the same martial art that I took briefly when I was a kid. The parallels between him and I just keep growing...
I would imagine you stuck with it though? It would seem Kuririn became a shaolin monk shortly after rendering his hole "doing it for the girls" thing mute.

I actually just assumed the kenpo he took was at the monkhhood or whatever. But nah - I only ever made it to yellow belt, my teacher hurt himself sometime around that point and had to cancel the classes.

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:09 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:I actually just assumed the kenpo he took was at the monkhhood or whatever. But nah - I only ever made it to yellow belt, my teacher hurt himself sometime around that point and had to cancel the classes.

Do Shaolin monks learn Kenpo? I thought it was some other martial art form. I also thought that the women and men trained separately so Kuririn wouldn't be able to impress the women.

Regarder · Post by **Regarder** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:40 pm

Hitiro wrote:
Gyt Kaliba wrote:I actually just assumed the kenpo he took was at the monkhhood or whatever. But nah - I only ever made it to yellow belt, my teacher hurt himself sometime around that point and had to cancel the classes.
Do Shaolin monks learn Kenpo? I thought it was some other martial art form. I also thought that the women and men trained separately so Kuririn wouldn't be able to impress the women.

I think Krillin intended to learn martial arts, and then use them to impress girls later after leaving the temple. Perhaps at some point he just decided he really liked martial arts and wanted a new challenge after leaving the temple, and he'd heard tales of Roshi, so...

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:58 pm

Regarder wrote:I think Krillin intended to learn martial arts, and then use them to impress girls later after leaving the temple. Perhaps at some point he just decided he really liked martial arts and wanted a new challenge after leaving the temple, and he'd heard tales of Roshi, so...

Perhaps. That would make sense I guess.

Kanzenshuu

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