Was Kibito in Limbo?

TheUltimateVegito · Post by **TheUltimateVegito** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:47 pm

Since Dabura was a true demon when he killed Kibito, does that mean Kibito went to Limbo after his death?

Strife1 · Post by **Strife1** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:00 pm

Definitely yes. Especially seeing as how Dabura was the Demon King.
Who knows maybe Kibito got sent to Super Limbo.

Marco Polo · Post by **Marco Polo** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:09 pm

Nah I think Toriyama dropped that plot point.

hleV · Post by **hleV** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:39 pm

I don't see why not. Unless him being revived by Shenlong somehow contradicts that?

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:12 pm

I think he was still in the check line before he was in wish back.

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:19 pm

Regardless of if Piccolo Junior was born as a demon, Kami suggests that he stopped being one when Goku's soul isn't stuck in limbo. So a demon in Dragon Ball, the kind that prevents souls from moving to the afterlife, is apparently just a state of being. Meaning I guess it depends on if Dabra just of a "demon" race, or was he actually a member of the same type of "demon" clan Piccolo Daimao had going on? I don't know if this is ever clarified. Herms?

Post by **Herms** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:24 pm

TheUltimateVegito wrote:Since Dabura was a true demon when he killed Kibito, does that mean Kibito went to Limbo after his death?

Keep in mind that there's no such place as "Limbo" in DB. Instead, we're told that the souls of people killed by the Demon Clan are unable to pass on to the afterlife, and instead are stuck floating through "the air" in agony. In other words, their curse is to be stuck in the living world, like with many typical depictions of ghosts that are unable to pass on. There's no special place named "Limbo" set aside to serve as their prison, or at least there's nothing in the series to suggest that there is. It's only somewhat poorly worded translations that give that impression. You can describe their souls as being "in limbo" only in the sense that they're dead but unable to go to the world of the dead to hang out with all the other dead people, and are instead stuck in the living world despite no longer being alive.

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Meaning I guess it depends on if Dabra just of a "demon" race, or was he actually a member of the same type of "demon" clan Piccolo Daimao had going on? I don't know if this is ever clarified. Herms?

Dabra's never specifically described as being of the Demon Clan (Mazoku) like Piccolo and his spawn are, and it's only the Demon Clan who get described as preventing the souls of those they kill from passing on to the afterlife. But of course he's king of the Demon World, so it would seem reasonable to assume he has the same traits as the Demon Clan, even if he's never described with the actual phrase "Demon Clan". But I guess there's no way to say for sure (pretty certain no guides clarify anything in this area), and like Marco Polo said, the odds that Toriyama still had the whole "Demon Clan victims don't pass on to the afterlife" idea in his head when making the Boo arc seem pretty slim. Although on that note, we do see that Majin Boo's victims apparently have no trouble heading over to line up at Enma's doorstep...but I guess we really only see the souls of those killed by Boo's (relatively) good form. We don't get confirmation on what happens to the souls of those killed by pure Boo, and those dead Kaioshins are apparently nowhere to be seen in the afterlife.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:53 am

The depopulated Earth is actually filled with the wailing souls of the damned. Eech.

Angelus · Post by **Angelus** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:00 am

Herms wrote:those dead Kaioshins are apparently nowhere to be seen in the afterlife.

The dead Kaioshins aren't seen in Other World because Kid Buu murdered them. When Elder Kai gave his life to resurrect Goku, he ended up getting a halo and stood back up on the spot. Elder Kai's soul didn't need to go to Enma's line. Elder Kai even got to keep his body. Safe to say, when those other Kaoishins stood back up, with their bodies, and a halo... Kid Buu murdered them again... making them cease to exist.

Although it makes you wonder... Kaoishins have life spans. When they die, they just have their bodies intact and have a halo... but none are seen. I mean there were at least 5 Kaoishins co-existing all at once right? Unless that tree stopped growing the Kaioshin "fruits" that birth them to life... but we see Kibito... who may be of the same species.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:10 am

It's possible that the other dead Kaiosbhins could be living somewhere in Heaven. They most likely live peacefully in heaven after they were killed by Buu.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:25 am

Although on that note, we do see that Majin Boo's victims apparently have no trouble heading over to line up at Enma's doorstep...but I guess we really only see the souls of those killed by Boo's (relatively) good form

Wasn't that only Vegeta? Technically, Fat Buu didn't kill him. He killed himself.

We don't get confirmation on what happens to the souls of those killed by pure Boo, and those dead Kaioshins are apparently nowhere to be seen in the afterlife.

I had actually been looking for an answer to that plot hole for a while. I never actually thought about the connection between Daimao's clan and other beings called "demons". This is my new head canon.

Angelus · Post by **Angelus** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:04 am

It's not a plot hole. When you're a soul with a body, and you get killed, you cease to exist.

flashback0180 · Post by **flashback0180** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:09 am

Dabura isn't the only Deamon king, if I remember correctly, in the anime kid goku fought the Deamon king who kidnapped a princess.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:20 am

flashback0180 wrote:Dabura isn't the only Deamon king, if I remember correctly, in the anime kid goku fought the Deamon king who kidnapped a princess.

Yeah, that's Shura in DB episode 81. Although I don't think he's actually specifically referred to as a "demon king". He certainly seems to be in charge, but I don't remember him having an actual title. I should probably re-watch the episode though. Anyway, that episode's also the first time the "Demon World" (Makai) pops up in DB, years and years before it was introduced in the manga with Dabra. It's a stock concept that appears in loads of manga/anime/video games/etc, which is probably why the anime staff and later Toriyama both independently decided to us it. Sometimes it's basically just another word for "Hell", but often (like in DB and Yu Yu Hakusho) it's portrayed as a separate place, a world where demons live and have their own society without any pesky human souls to get in the way.

As for demon kings, Piccolo insists on calling himself the "Great Demon King" (Dai-Maou) despite being king of about four or so demons. He even keeps on using the title well into the Z era, long after all his subjects are all dead.

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:40 am

Herms wrote:As for demon kings, Piccolo insists on calling himself the "Great Demon King" (Dai-Maou) despite being king of about four or so demons. He even keeps on using the title well into the Z era, long after all his subjects are all dead.

At least he came to his senses after 4 years around Goku and the gang. It took Vegeta probably nearly 20 years for him to stop talking about being the "Prince of all Saiyans!"

Xeogran · Post by **Xeogran** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:27 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:It's possible that the other dead Kaiosbhins could be living somewhere in Heaven. They most likely live peacefully in heaven after they were killed by Buu.

Except these who got absorbed by Kid Buu and forgotten about :/

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:14 am

Just throwing my opinion on the fate of the Kaioshins. I always assumed that they were eventually fully "digested" by Buu, soul and all. And that by the end of things, Mister Buu is more Dai Kaioshin than Majin Buu. Basically, what I think it may be is that people that Buu absorbs eventually become part of him forever, they never really died.

I've got many theories, even though they are nothing but. For example, as Majin Buu's and Dai Kaioshin's personality are now mixed (according to this theory), this could explain why Mister Buu was so disrespectful to Beerus. On the one hand, Dai Kaioshin knows Beerus his is direct counterpart, as in, Beerus is the god of destruction and Dai Kaioshin the god of creation; on the other, Majin Buu not only rebels against authority but he also seems to have been an extremely effective god killing weapon in his prime (as pure Majin Buu). I've even theorized that what makes Majin Buu so dangerous and effective is that the source of his power negates God Power. We know Mister Buu is a bit of a glutton, but he has been shown as being kind and even sharing with certain people, so why would he be so stingy towards Beerus? And now you may be asking, if he would negate God Power, why would he be so easily defeated, and that would be because he is now more Dai Kaioshin than Majin Buu, and Beerus is one of the strongest beings in terms of God Power. Or I may just be reading way too much into this. In any case, all this and other theories are on the back of my mind and in notepads along my laptop to someday make sense of it all and post somewhere.

The Kaioshins not being able to pass on to the afterlife is also valid, a very good theory and also simpler. ^^

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