Did Future Trunks warn them about 17 and 18 or 19 and 20?

[Angelus]

This is confusing because Trunks didn't even know who that severed head belonged to. Unless.... Future 17 and 18 were named Future 19 and 20, instead of 17 and 18?

[Marco Polo]

17 and 18.

[Kaboom]

He did indeed originally say Androids 19 and 20. It's an inconsistency with no good in-universe explanation. The real-world explanation, of course, is that 19 and 20 actually were going to be the big bads in Toriyama's original plans, but after editor complaints (right?), he came up with 17 and 18 instead.

Of course, he could have done things a little less sloppily and avoided the plot hole, even considering. He could have kept 19 and 20 as the ones who beat up Trunks all the time in the future, but still have them beaten by the prepared and stronger heroes, prompting 20/Gero to unleash the even stronger 17 and 18 in response.

[Hitiro]

He did indeed originally say Androids 19 and 20. It's an inconsistency with no good in-universe explanation. The real-world explanation, of course, is that 19 and 20 actually were going to be the big bads in Toriyama's original plans, but after editor complaints (right?), he came up with 17 and 18 instead.

Of course, he could have done things a little less sloppily and avoided the plot hole, even considering. He could have kept 19 and 20 as the ones who beat up Trunks all the time in the future, but still have them beaten by the prepared and stronger heroes, prompting 20/Gero to unleash the even stronger 17 and 18 in response.

I keep seeing people say this. But where in the manga does he actually say 19 and 20? Because I don't recall it. Is it not in the Viz translations?

[Gaffer Tape]

It's on the second panel of the third page of chapter 335 in volume 28. And, yes, it is in Viz's translation, or at least my copy of it. Hopefully it's still there, and they didn't start fucking around with it later for the sake of "consistency."

[Kaboom]

Nope, it's in there. In the VizBigs, at least.

[Hitiro]

Nope, it's in there. In the VizBigs, at least.

It's on the second panel of the third page of chapter 335 in volume 28. And, yes, it is in Viz's translation, or at least my copy of it. Hopefully it's still there, and they didn't start fucking around with it later for the sake of "consistency."

I see it. Thought I had an edited version then.

[Hellspawn28]

I always believe Trunks killing Freeza changed the timeline and screwing things over.

[Lord Beerus]

I always believe Trunks killing Freeza changed the timeline and screwing things over.

I've always thought that Trunks just travelling back in time fucked the the Dragon Ball universe beyond repair. I mean, there are so many different theories on how how time travel can affect the space-time continuum, that there is no definitive answer. One theory says just going back in time can alter timestream significantly. Another theory say traveling back and altering events in the past, even in the slightest, can dramatically change the future. Another theory, which is the one Dragon Ball went with, is that you don't travel back in time and instead you travel to another timeline.

Time travel is confusing and complicated as hell.

As far as the #19 and #20 fiasco, well this was one of the occasions where Toriyama writing by the seat of his pants didn't pay off.

[Darkprince410]

Nope, it's in there. In the VizBigs, at least.

Just to follow up on this, it does appear in the kanzenban version as well.

[Herms]

The real-world explanation, of course, is that 19 and 20 actually were going to be the big bads in Toriyama's original plans, but after editor complaints (right?)

Sort of. Technically, it was his former editor Kazuhiko Torishima who called Toriyama up to complain about the big scary androids turning out to just be a fatso and some old guy. This prompted Toriyama to introduce 17 and 18, who his actual editor at the time, Yu Kondo, didn't like since they were just kids. Kondo likewise had problems with Cell's first two forms, but finally he liked perfect Cell, so that ended up being the final boss for the story arc. This story is recounted in Shenlong Times No.2 and a few other places.

[Gyt Kaliba]

It's on the second panel of the third page of chapter 335 in volume 28. And, yes, it is in Viz's translation, or at least my copy of it. Hopefully it's still there, and they didn't start fucking around with it later for the sake of "consistency."

Er...isn't consistency normally a good thing?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for leaving things as they originally were, but when there's an outlier case of something being completely wrong, I don't mind at all it being corrected in later re-releases for the sake of internal consistency. ^_^;

[OWmyDragonBallz]

It's on the second panel of the third page of chapter 335 in volume 28. And, yes, it is in Viz's translation, or at least my copy of it. Hopefully it's still there, and they didn't start fucking around with it later for the sake of "consistency."

Er...isn't consistency normally a good thing?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for leaving things as they originally were, but when there's an outlier case of something being completely wrong, I don't mind at all it being corrected in later re-releases for the sake of internal consistency. ^_^;

I am pretty sure they corrected it in the anime??

[Angelus]

Yes, they did, at least with Funimation's dub.